houghi wrote:
> [...]
> So what is unrealistic about having devlopers knowing what is going on?
> What is unrealistic about wanting to have developers more involved?
Well, I am not going to repeat my previous emails and arguments - that
would be useless and boring, and I don't think you would get
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 12:04:36AM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
> I'm just speaking my mind as a community member - I never had anything to do
> with the decision to release. In my opinion 10.1 packagemanagement is bad
> enough to give SUSE a bad rep - who knows how long it'll take to remedy th
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 09:40:48PM +0100, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
> However, I think you are
> not aware of how it works in a commercial company that makes business
> based on software products - your statements lack from my point of view
> some realism.
Sorry? I do not think so. I clearly said:
W
søndag 21 maj 2006 18:44 skrev Chris Maaskant:
> > (3)
> > warn noobs that 10.1 is sort of an interim release - as far as
> > packagemanagement goes - to avoid that this release does serious
> > damage to the good and respected (by sane, mature people at least)
> > SUSE name.
>
> !?!? You are jokin
houghi wrote:
> [...]
> The way you read it, it as if the developers are not welcome here and
> should just listen to what Novell tells them. That is how I read your
> posting and I hope I read it wrong.
Yes, you're wrong. Everybody is welcome, I think all of us highly
appreciate quality posting
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 08:06:51PM +0100, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
>
> houghi wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > They are employees, not slaves. So if they follow the community that they
> > make the software for is just a logical step. Wether or not they are
> > allowed to do what that community wants is an
houghi wrote:
> [...]
>
> They are employees, not slaves. So if they follow the community that they
> make the software for is just a logical step. Wether or not they are
> allowed to do what that community wants is another matter.
>
> But then again they might be more interested in following a
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 05:39:39PM +0200, houghi wrote:
> On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:18:07AM -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > They are *developers*, that should be developing and not bothered with
> > all this noise. Developing really good stuff, which they do, is hard
> > work and requires c
> It would be a pleasure to be corrected if I'm wrong ;)
The vast majority of bug fixing (for example) work on GNOME issues in
Bugzilla seems to me to be done by ex-Ximians these days
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On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:03:38PM +0100, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
> The GNOME developers mentioned in this thread are employed by Novell
> which means they work for Novell and not for the community. I think,
> Novell decides about the projects for those developers and what they
> are allowed to do a
houghi wrote:
> [...]
> A developer works for the community and should be aware what that
> community is talking about.
The GNOME developers mentioned in this thread are employed by Novell
which means they work for Novell and not for the community. I think,
Novell decides about the projects for t
Op zo, 21-05-2006 te 20:55 +0200, schreef Carl-Daniel Hailfinger:
> > I gues you never realy used beagle because of the way you compare it
> > with locate.
> > It realy isn't the same thing.
> > Can you use locate to find a persons name in a email or in a chat
> log?
> > I think not.
>
> You're ri
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 08:55:59PM +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> You're right. I use seamonkey to search my mail and gaim to search my
> chat log.
I use grepm (a wrapper for grepmail utilizing mutt) for my mail. I don't
have any chatlogs. :-)
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Chris Maaskant wrote:
> Op zo, 21-05-2006 te 18:54 +0200, schreef Carl-Daniel Hailfinger:
>> Once upon a time, the findutils-locate package provided very similar
>> services. It was dropped because it used too many resources. Then,
>> quite
>> a while later, beagle came, used ten times the resource
Op zo, 21-05-2006 te 18:54 +0200, schreef Carl-Daniel Hailfinger:
> Once upon a time, the findutils-locate package provided very similar
> services. It was dropped because it used too many resources. Then,
> quite
> a while later, beagle came, used ten times the resources and everybody
> either had
jdd wrote:
the hole thread is going horrific.
jdd
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On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 16:40 +0200, jdd wrote:
I would really like opensuse list _not_ make trolls like
suse-e do.
please be positive or stop.
jdd
It's hard to say, since you don't quote anything,
the hole thread is going horrific.
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On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 16:40 +0200, jdd wrote:
> I would really like opensuse list _not_ make trolls like
> suse-e do.
> please be positive or stop.
> jdd
>
It's hard to say, since you don't quote anything, but if you are
referring to Pascal's original post, I think he's earned the right to
speak
Op zo, 21-05-2006 te 19:14 +0200, schreef Marcus Meissner:
> > Surely we can expect packagemanagement to get stable with some
> updates
> > so we don't have to wait 8 months for 10.2?
>
> Yes, you can.
Good, you had me worried..
Thanks :-)
Chris Maaskant.
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On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 06:44:30PM +0200, Chris Maaskant wrote:
> Op zo, 21-05-2006 te 13:13 +0200, schreef Martin Schlander:
>
> > If you had tried the packagemanagement (rug/zen/yast) a month ago you
> > would be amazed that it almost works now.
> > My handling of this issue is (1) report bugs/g
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>> Well, lets list some of the most visible for 10.1 development:
>>> Garry Ekker and Stanislav Brabec, GNOME packagers.
>>> Robert Love, NetworkManager... You like it in 10.1, right?
>>> Larry Ewing, f-spot ... working nicely.
>>> Aaron Bockover, banshee ... working nic
Op zo, 21-05-2006 te 13:13 +0200, schreef Martin Schlander:
> If you had tried the packagemanagement (rug/zen/yast) a month ago you
> would be amazed that it almost works now.
> My handling of this issue is (1) report bugs/give feedback and thus
> help get it right for 10.2
Surely we can expect p
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:33:15PM +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote:
On Sunday 21 May 2006 12:05, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Maybe the Gnome/Mono-devs had to and still have to spend all their time
on "integrating" zen, because it got released in beta-state?
Zen Linux Management
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 11:18:07AM -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> They are *developers*, that should be developing and not bothered with
> all this noise. Developing really good stuff, which they do, is hard
> work and requires concentrated effort.
That is so wrong on so many levels I do not
> > Well, lets list some of the most visible for 10.1 development:
> > Garry Ekker and Stanislav Brabec, GNOME packagers.
> > Robert Love, NetworkManager... You like it in 10.1, right?
> > Larry Ewing, f-spot ... working nicely.
> > Aaron Bockover, banshee ... working nicely and greatly enhanced fo
> Garry Ekker and Stanislav Brabec, GNOME packagers.
> Robert Love, NetworkManager... You like it in 10.1, right?
> Larry Ewing, f-spot ... working nicely.
> Aaron Bockover, banshee ... working nicely and greatly enhanced for 10.1.
> Jeffrey Steadfast, gnome-volume-manager ... greatly enhanced for
> >> And now, the "general problem": I just don't see ex-Ximian people
> >> involved into openSUSE at all.
> > I see quite a few of them involved in some way or other, but when the
> By "involved", I meant being on this mailing-list and/or on
> opensuse-packaging. Besides a few of them being aggreg
I would really like opensuse list _not_ make trolls like
suse-e do.
please be positive or stop.
jdd
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On Sun, 21 May 2006, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
> > KNetworkManager at least saves the WEP keys (in kwallet). I think
> > nm-applet does the same using gnome-keyring.
> >
> Yes it does but I installed fresh three times (just to test various
> things) and each time after saving the info in Kwallet
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 15:11 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 08:53:32AM -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 14:04 +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> > > Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > > > On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:28:41AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> >
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:33:15PM +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote:
> On Sunday 21 May 2006 12:05, Marcus Meissner wrote:
>
> > > Maybe the Gnome/Mono-devs had to and still have to spend all their time
> > > on "integrating" zen, because it got released in beta-state?
> >
> > Zen Linux Management is y
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 08:53:32AM -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 14:04 +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> > Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > > On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:28:41AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> > >
> > >> And now, the "general problem": I just don't see ex-Xim
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 22:21 +1000, Peter Flodin wrote:
> On 5/21/06, Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Miguel de Icaza is leading GNOME AFAIK, and Novell employs quite a lot
> > > of GNOME developers.. so... where are the SUSE Linux packages ?
> >
> > Miguel is more in care of Mono.
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 14:04 +0200, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:28:41AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> >
> >> And now, the "general problem": I just don't see ex-Ximian people
> >> involved into openSUSE at all.
> >
> > Well, lets list some
On 5/21/06, Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Miguel de Icaza is leading GNOME AFAIK, and Novell employs quite a lot
> of GNOME developers.. so... where are the SUSE Linux packages ?
Miguel is more in care of Mono.
For those interested in Miguel de Icasa he was interviewed on FLOSS
Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:28:41AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
>
>> And now, the "general problem": I just don't see ex-Ximian people
>> involved into openSUSE at all.
>
> Well, lets list some of the most visible for 10.1 development:
>
> Garry Ekker and Stanislav Brabec
On Sunday 21 May 2006 14:13, Martin Schlander wrote:
> > Is the same team responsible for the greatest regression in 10.1
> > that adding new installation sources fails most of the time :/ ?
> > Do you already have a BZ entry of this?
>
> I think this is a bit off topic, but..
>
> If you had tried
søndag 21 maj 2006 12:33 skrev Janne Karhunen:
> Is the same team responsible for the greatest regression in 10.1
> that adding new installation sources fails most of the time :/ ?
> Do you already have a BZ entry of this?
I think this is a bit off topic, but..
If you had tried the packagemanagem
On Sunday 21 May 2006 12:05, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > Maybe the Gnome/Mono-devs had to and still have to spend all their time
> > on "integrating" zen, because it got released in beta-state?
>
> Zen Linux Management is yet another team. :)
Is the same team responsible for the greatest regressio
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2006 10:51 schrieb Pascal Bleser:
> The issue is that GNOME 2.14 is not available in GNOME supplementary,
> neither for 10.1 nor for 10.0. KDE 3.5.2 has been released roughly at
> around the same time (more or less) and has been available in KDE
> supplementary for quite so
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 09:59:30AM +0200, Sven Burmeister wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2006 01:46 schrieb Keith Kastorff:
> > On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 01:28 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> > > I would really like to have an explanation: why is it that other
> > > distributions (e.g. Fedora and
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:28:41AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> From a technical point-of-view, this mail would belong to
> opensuse-packaging, but I'd like to address a more general problem,
> which is why I post here.
>
>
> I would really like to have an explanation: why is it that other
> dis
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James Ogley wrote:
>> And now, the "general problem": I just don't see ex-Ximian people
>> involved into openSUSE at all.
>
> I see quite a few of them involved in some way or other, but when the
By "involved", I meant being on this mailing-list and/
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 21. Mai 2006 01:46 schrieb Keith Kastorff:
> On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 01:28 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> > I would really like to have an explanation: why is it that other
> > distributions (e.g. Fedora and Ubuntu) already have packages for (at
> > least) GNOME 2.14 but none are prov
> And now, the "general problem": I just don't see ex-Ximian people
> involved into openSUSE at all.
I see quite a few of them involved in some way or other, but when the
decision was taken by SUSE that it was going to be 2.12 in 10.1, what
were they supposed to do? Try to slip 2.14 into the buil
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 01:28 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> I would really like to have an explanation: why is it that other
> distributions (e.g. Fedora and Ubuntu) already have packages for (at
> least) GNOME 2.14 but none are provided for SUSE Linux ?
> GNOME supplementary still ships 2.12.
>
>
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