Re: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Ryan
I remember readign that article and I thought the results that the contention was very minor? Steve, are you monitoring? It seemed like one of those things that its so minor its not really something to worry about? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL

RE: Export / Import Question

2004-01-09 Thread Smith, Ron L.
That would require effort and planning on their part. Ron -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Ron - You may want to ask yourself what you're getting into. My preference is that the developers be creating scripts to make

RE: seperate external procedure listeners for different SIDs

2004-01-09 Thread John Flack
I'm not sure if I'd mentioned this before: We do use an external procedure to run external OS commands, but the procedure that is mapped to the C program is a private procedure in a package. The public interface to this procedure uses the PRODUCT_PROFILE (aka PRODUCT_USER_PROFILE) table to

Re: Export / Import Question

2004-01-09 Thread Mladen Gogala
On 01/09/2004 12:29:35 PM, Smith, Ron L. wrote: That would require effort and planning on their part. Ron Ron, are your developers little, bearded men that live in the swamps of Elbonia? Planning and effort are contrary to the elbonian customs, but Elbonians are cheap labor. -- Mladen

RE: Export / Import Question

2004-01-09 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Ron - You have my sympathy. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That would require effort and planning on their part. Ron -Original Message- Sent: Friday,

RE: internet secure solutions

2004-01-09 Thread Paul Drake
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Any good doc. on securing data on database on internal network behind firewall with an application server accessing it in the DMZ. I am thinking Advanced security but would appreciate something on this subject. I have stored some documents on security

RE: seperate external procedure listeners for different SIDs

2004-01-09 Thread Goulet, Dick
That's a wrinkle I had not thought about. Here, being a PeopleSoft shop, they like to run SQR's and sure enough they want to run the same sqr's from web pages, forms applications, etc. Well I took the stand that the external procedure could only be passed data. No you can't pass an sqr

RE: Oracle Warehouse Builder Tutorial

2004-01-09 Thread David Wagoner
Title: RE: Oracle Warehouse Builder Tutorial Mark, Take a look at OTN (http://otn.oracle.com/products/warehouse/index.html). There is a little information there. Unfortunately, there isn't much documentation on OWB. The online help docs with the product were all I found last year

RE: internet secure solutions

2004-01-09 Thread Paula_Stankus
Running Oracle 9i and Solaris 2.9. It appears to me that the solution can be hardware based or Oracle based then. Which brings up questions about cost versus administration versus reliability. Hmmm. -Original Message- Paul Drake Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:49 PM To: Multiple

Re: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Yong: I have not followed the thread completely. So I may be missing something obvious ;) BEGIN-NON TECHNICAL Many applications (for example Oracle Applications) use public synonyms heavily and running with better (or acceptable) performance. We should not really worry about the milli second

RE: Oracle Warehouse Builder Tutorial

2004-01-09 Thread Chris Stephens
Good luck finding any relevant documentation outside of TFM. I looked for a while before I decided to go back and read what oracle provided. The docs are decent. ...once you get the hang of owb it's fairly intuitive. The thing is laden with bugs though. 9.2 is vastly better IMHO that

Re: DB_WRITER_PROCESSES vs DBWR_IO_SLAVES

2004-01-09 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Thomas: I think you are right on monitoring the db writer performance. You should look the write complete waits/ free buffer waits to understand the db writer contention. I am not sure what prompted your Sr.DBA to think on increasing the IO slaves or db writers. KG --- Thomas Jeff [EMAIL

RE: internet secure solutions

2004-01-09 Thread Orr, Steve
Is all SQL*Net traffic between the app server and the database server? In other words, is all traffic secure where packets cannot be sniffed? Or do you need to encrypt the SQL query result set data going from the server to an unknown client? I believe that's what Oracle Advanced Security gives

Re: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Rachel Carmichael
just to weigh in on the side of use of public synonyms. If you intend to use roles to simplify privilege management, you are almost forced to use public synonyms, as you cannot create a private synonym owned by a role. Your other alternative is to hard-code the schema owner name in every object

RE: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Bobak, Mark
The other option is a user logon trigger that does execute immediate 'alter session set current_schema=appowner'; Mark J. Bobak Oracle DBA ProQuest Company Ann Arbor, MI Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what

RE: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Niall Litchfield
Hi Rachel My understanding of the negative aspects of public synonyms is that they kick in as the number of distinct Oracle Users you have increases. My *experience* is much the same as yours - namely I almost couldn't care, however this is predicated on applications tracking users and not using

RE: Should we stop analyzing?

2004-01-09 Thread Niall Litchfield
Nice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Lewis Sent: 09 January 2004 14:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Should we stop analyzing? Note in-line. Regards Jonathan Lewis http

Re: Any way to syncronize sequences between database?

2004-01-09 Thread Brian Haas
Smith, Ron L. wrote: When doing a partial data refresh, using export/import, is there any way to synchronize Sequences between the two databases? Thanks! Ron Ron, We use a perl script that connects to procduction and select the current sequence value then updates the dev sequences to that value.

Re: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
AS OF NOW, I have not come across a book which talks about RAC at a detailed level (at least to the level we expect). There are couple of books in the market, but they cover very little on RAC (Concepts and Internals) But, the Oracle Documentation (At least for the RAC part) is very good and it

Re: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread Ron Rogers
Joe, Last year at the midaltantic Oracle users group seminars there was a presentation by Mike Ault what was very informative on RAC with a budget. I believe that he has some decent information available. You might check www.rampant-books.com for his works. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/2004

RE: table reorganizations

2004-01-09 Thread Niall Litchfield
Hi Chris Richard, I agree there are a number of reasons for reorganising tables. LMTs remove the need to reorganise a tablespace but not to reorganise a table. Two further real- ilfe examples of table reorgs: 1) The purge programs have at last been written and run deleting data 2

Re: DB_WRITER_PROCESSES vs DBWR_IO_SLAVES

2004-01-09 Thread Jonathan Lewis
One interpretation of increased red latch contention and log buffer space waits is that more work is being done more quickly - so the log writer can't keep up. This could mean: a)the log writer has slowed down b)the database writer(s) have speeded up, so there is

RE: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Rachel Carmichael
How would you handle the case where there are many sets of privileges, depending on which user you log in as? The trigger would give everyone the right to do anything the owner could to a table. There are times when I want create a read-only account in addition to an app user. we do allow

RE: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread Rognes, Sten
I've read a couple of the books available on RAC: - Oracle9i RAC by Madhu Tumma and Mike Ault is decent, I'd give it a 2.5 out of 5. Good multi-platform coverage and decent coverage of the internals. The book suffers from poor layout/editing. The graphics look like they're photocopied and the

RE: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread John Kanagaraj
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Books on rac Joe, Last year at the midaltantic Oracle users group seminars there was a presentation by Mike Ault what was very informative on RAC with a budget. I believe that he has

RE: RAC setup on linux

2004-01-09 Thread Jesse, Rich
Joe, In random order, here's some hints: Make sure you visit Werner's site, http://www.puschitz.com He has all sorts of non-RAC ideas on how to install Oracle on all sorts of RH flavors. Beware that RH AS 2.1 is bloody old. You may have problems with it recognizing your newer hardware. Since

RE: Who said Oracle ran better on Win03?

2004-01-09 Thread Niall Litchfield
My reading of that is that they chose RH over *Unix* rather than Windows for the DB Server. Detailing the problems encountered while using Windows Server 2003 on the communication and transaction server side, Sharma said, We have been facing this perennial problem of business logic malfunction,

Re: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Ryan
that method is limiting. Lets say you publish data from various sources using transportable tablespaces... Its much easier to manage this publication by putting each transported tablespace in its own user. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread Ryan
beware the rampant press books. Most of them seem to be total garbage. All in large print with little detail. I didnt think much of the Ault Internals book from Rampant... its basically stuff you can copy and paste from metalink. Dont know about his RAC book. However, all the other non-Ault books

Re: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread William R. Jones
Partly because of the complexity of the technology and uniqueness of each environment, no book in the field will be 100 per cent of what anyone of us needs; however, the following is on my database team's bookshelves: Oracle 9i RAC By Mike Ault Published August 2003 by Rampant Tech Press ISBN:

RE: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Bobak, Mark
Um, roles, privileges, etc are administered however you'd like. The only suggestion I'm making is that rather than having public synonyms for all objects in your app_owner schema, each user which needs default access to the objects in the app_owner schema, gets access to that schema via the

RE: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Bobak, Mark
Well, any solution will require consideration of the application design and implementation. I'm just offering a possible suggestion. ;-) Mark J. Bobak Oracle DBA ProQuest Company Ann Arbor, MI Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to

RE: RAC setup on linux

2004-01-09 Thread Loughmiller, Greg
Title: RE: RAC setup on linux joe- There was a nice document on a *cookbook* to do this by Oracle. I'm not sure if I can get my hands on it as we were working to plan out a Linux install in November. That project fell out of priority.. I'll poke around, but not sure if I would hold high hopes

RE: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread April Wells
Title: RE: Books on rac wait... mine wasn't THAT bad... isn't out yet... but isn't that bad. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas @-- Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite Adam Wells age 11 -Original Message- From

RE: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
I've agreed to (and also sounds like a good idea) but also wants to turn on archiving. My thinking is why turn on archiving if I can restore my DB from last night's BCV's and then bring it up to date by re-loading any data that was loaded after the BCV split. Our system is not 24x7 so we can

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Mladen Gogala
Well, recovery might be just a wee bit faster then re-loading few gigs of data using SQL. Also, developers on that DW might lose any work that they haven't done the night before. This is a production database, which means that it absolutely must be in archive log mode. One of the big reasons

Re: [Fwd: Joseph Testa has sent you a 10% discount]

2004-01-09 Thread Mladen Gogala
I had I love you and The Latest Security Patch from Microsoft emails stored in my crap folder on my home Linux box but I've recently cleaned it. It might be a good idea to make people on this list feel loved and secure. On 01/09/2004 04:24:29 PM, Joe Testa wrote: In case any of you are

Re[2]: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Hello April, I thought you were writing for CRC Press, not Rampant. Did you switch publishers? Best regards, Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are http://Gennick.com * 906.387.1698 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Join the Oracle-article list and receive one article on Oracle

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Ryan
thinking is why turn on archiving if I can restore my DB from last night's BCV's and then bring it up to date by re-loading any data that was loaded after the BCV split. Our system is not 24x7 so we can shutdown before the BCV split. Also, it's not directly accessed by users for ad-hoc queries

RE: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Bobak, Mark
make much sense. He's proposed using EMC BCV's which I've agreed to (and also sounds like a good idea) but also wants to turn on archiving. My thinking is why turn on archiving if I can restore my DB from last night's BCV's and then bring it up to date by re-loading any data that was loaded after

Re: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread Arup Nanda
Title: RE: Books on rac "all the other non-Ault books from Rampant are total trash." That's a pretty strong statement, Ryan! Mine is a non-Ault Rampant book; does it count, too? Before you trash the book and commit the statement, can I interest you in at least taking a look at

RE: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread mkb
last night's BCV's and then bring it up to date by re-loading any data that was loaded after the BCV split. Our system is not 24x7 so we can shutdown before the BCV split. Also, it's not directly accessed by users for ad-hoc queries. Automated processes access the database and build

RE: DB_WRITER_PROCESSES vs DBWR_IO_SLAVES

2004-01-09 Thread Thomas Jeff
Jonathan, WILLING IMMEDIATE IMMEDIATE IMMEDIATE NAME GETSMISSES TO WAIT %GETS MISSES REQUEST %SLEEPS === === =

Re: [Fwd: Joseph Testa has sent you a 10% discount]

2004-01-09 Thread Paul Drake
What I love is the discount of 43% off at Bookpool.com. That text is only 30% off there. Amazon lost my business way back when the 1-click patent waste matter went down. Pd --- Mladen Gogala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had I love you and The Latest Security Patch from Microsoft emails stored

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread mkb
Yes but... The developers use Cognos tools for all their development. Nobody writes any PL/SQL, triggers etc. So again, all that the developers might lose is data that they loaded which can be easily recovered by re-running the ETL process. What I'm trying to say is that the environment from

RE: pga workarea and ora-04030

2004-01-09 Thread Jeroen van Sluisdam
; -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jonathan Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 6 januari 2004 16:49 Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Onderwerp: Re: pga workarea and ora-04030 The workarea_policy stuff does not apply to things like pl/sql tables, only to tuneable memory. Given

RE: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Gene Sais
nts toturn on archiving. My thinking is why turn onarchiving if I can restore my DB from last night'sBCV's and then bring it up to date by re-loading anydata that was loaded after the BCV split.Our system is not 24x7 so we can shutdown before theBCV split. Also, it's not directly accessed by us

RE: Re[2]: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread April Wells
Title: RE: Re[2]: Books on rac Hi Jonathan Don asked me if I would be interested in writing the Programmers Interview book... the Apps book was just done, so I took him up on the offer. I am writing for CRC... in fact I have one in process now for them. April -Original Message

Re: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread Ryan
Title: RE: Books on rac OK, that statement wasn't fair. I have not looked at Arup's book. I have no interest in HIPAA. So I shouldn't speak on it. These are the Rampant books I have skimmed through that I do not like. However, I have skimmed through several. All the one's I have looked

Re: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread Jared . Still
[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Books on rac beware the rampant press books. Most of them seem to be total garbage. All in large print with little detail. I didnt think much of the Ault Internals book from Rampant... its basically stuff you can copy and paste from metalink. Dont

Re: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread Jared . Still
To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Books on rac OK, that statement wasn't fair. I have not looked at Arup's book. I have no interest in HIPAA. So I shouldn't speak on it. These are the Rampant books I have skimmed through that I do not like

RE: RAC setup on linux

2004-01-09 Thread Jared . Still
To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: RAC setup on linux Joe, In random order, here's some hints: Make sure you visit Werner's site, http://www.puschitz.com He has all sorts of non-RAC ideas on how to install Oracle on all sorts of RH flavors

Re: Any way to syncronize sequences between database?

2004-01-09 Thread Jared . Still
see http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/reset_sequence/reset_sequence.html Smith, Ron L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/2004 11:49 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Any way

RE: DB_WRITER_PROCESSES vs DBWR_IO_SLAVES

2004-01-09 Thread Ravi Kulkarni
Did you try reducing _log_io_size to less than one-third log_buffers size to make LGWR more active and less busy .. We have had some success with it.. Thanks, Ravi. --- Thomas Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan,

RE: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread mkb
just restore the entire BCV set and re-start the load. Not an expert on EMC's BCV technology but my sysadmin says it can be done and yes, I'll test before I sign off on it. True, I'd be nice to have archive logging aswell. But is it a necassity or have we all been programmed into believing

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Ryan
and restart the load, right? In the same scenario in my environment I'd just restore the entire BCV set and re-start the load. Not an expert on EMC's BCV technology but my sysadmin says it can be done and yes, I'll test before I sign off on it. True, I'd be nice to have archive logging aswell

Re: What is JAWS 4.0.2 for RAC? How to get it?

2004-01-09 Thread Mladen Gogala
Just go surfing to CA. Be sure to resemble seal as much as possible and jaws will come. On 2004.01.09 19:44, quriyat wrote: Thanks ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com -- Please see the

RE: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Niall, I think you're right... and as my databases, even those with multiple applications in them, rarely have more than 20 named users, that's likely the reason I see no degradation, even on custom apps. Nice to know it's not just me :) Rachel --- Niall Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Mladen Gogala
that dbf during a load, how would you recover the db? Restore the dbf, apply the logs and restart the load, right? In the same scenario in my environment I'd just restore the entire BCV set and re-start the load. Not an expert on EMC's BCV technology but my sysadmin says it can

RE: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Rachel Carmichael
oops. my bad. I really should double-check in the docs before I pronounce things :) you are, of course, right. it merely removes the necessity to preface an object reference with the owner. --- Bobak, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, roles, privileges, etc are administered however you'd like.

Re: OCP question from Boson practice tests

2004-01-09 Thread A Joshi
Hi, This is from a metalink note 1039341.6. It is about 'DEFAULT STORAGE'. I do not know if the OCP question was regarding that. *** Use the following guidelines to specify DEFAULT STORAGE: Set INITIAL=NEXT.Since a process always writes data equal to SORT_AREA_SIZE to a temporary

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread mkb
Hi Ryan, Not for RMAN. I meant a license for Veritas or Legato. See Mladen's reply re: BCV (basically EMC takes a snapshot of the mount points onto corresponding mount points i.e. a 1-to-1 mapping for each mount point onto a BCV mount point) Hope that clears up the confusion. mohammed

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Jared . Still
To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Backups in a DW Environment I never heard about the required license from veritas and legato. Can someone else confirm that this is necessary? They actually charge you more money to do use another

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Ryan
Subject: Re: Backups in a DW Environment The license is for the software that interfaces Veritas NetBackup to RMAN. RMAN has an API and NBU has an API. The intersection of the 2 will set you back about $1500 US IIRC.Jared "Ryan" [EMAIL

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Tim Gorman
if I can restore my DB from last night's BCV's and then bring it up to date by re-loading any data that was loaded after the BCV split. The rebuild-then-reload method seems to make sense on paper, but it is the cause of extreme difficultly in actual practice. If you have not yet already

Re: Backups in a DW Environment

2004-01-09 Thread Mladen Gogala
of hot backup mode. Robert Freeman's book is definitely the best source for anything RMAN around. On 2004.01.09 20:29, mkb wrote: Hi Ryan, Not for RMAN. I meant a license for Veritas or Legato. See Mladen's reply re: BCV (basically EMC takes a snapshot of the mount points onto

RE: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread Steve Adams
Hi All, Someone has alerted me to this thread, and asked for a comment. On a quick scan, and it seems to me that you've mostly got it right. The problem is that when an SQL statement that refers to its base objects via public synonyms is shared by multiple distinct Oracle users, then name

re BCV / SnapShot / SnapClone and the ALTER SYSTEM SUSPEND --

2004-01-09 Thread Hemant K Chitale
Mladen, Is the ALTER SYSTEM SUSPEND really necessary. We've just implemented SnapClone mechanims for three Oracle DBs on Hitachi and EMC SANs, We've been told that only ALTER TABLESPACE ... BEGIN BACKUP is necessary. What we do is 1. Issue an ALTER TABLESPACE ... BEGIN BACKUP for all the

Re: re BCV / SnapShot / SnapClone and the ALTER SYSTEM SUSPEND --

2004-01-09 Thread Mladen Gogala
I should have expressed myself more clearly. Suspend is not necessary, it's only fast. Basically, with suspend, you don't put tablespaces into backup mode. You suspend, resync, split and start aonther instance as if it crashed. As no I/O is going to disk, datafiles aren't fuzzy, so no recovery

Re: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Mladen Gogala
Yes. On 2004.01.08 01:14, Denham Eva wrote: Mladen Thank You for this suggestion, works in that the CBO now see it this way SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer Mode=CHOOSE TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID TABLENAME INDEX FULL SCAN TABLENAME_NDX Can these parameters be set

RE: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Wolfgang Breitling
On that I really, really have to disagree with you. Jonathan's book is not something to read When you're really, really bored. You should read it when you're wide awake and eager to learn. Short of a database that's in pieces on the floor I can't think of anything that should have higher

RE: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Denham Eva
Thank You! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yes. On 2004.01.08 01:14, Denham Eva wrote: Mladen Thank You for this suggestion, works in that the CBO now see it this way SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer Mode=CHOOSE

RE: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Denham Eva
Hear, hear! Wolfgang, Without wanting to appear really dense here. But, how about putting some titles and surnames to that list of yours? As much as I would love to buy books, with our exchange rate and import taxes, it becomes very expensive! But I do have a To Get list that I like to update.

RE: Database Health Review

2004-01-08 Thread Mark Leith
*User Response Times!* -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Vidya KalyanaramanSent: 08 January 2004 08:40To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Database Health ReviewHiI am supposed to be doing a database health

Re: Should we stop analyzing?

2004-01-08 Thread Jonathan Lewis
recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:14 AM When we consider that re-analyzing stats can cause huge changes to data access patterns I'm continuously amazed at the number of shops that re-analyze on a schedule and have the Monday Morning syndrome

Re: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-08 Thread Jonathan Lewis
There's a failure in the statistics at this point. As far as I can tell, there are at least four different reasons why the stats can report a parse count (total) without recording a parse count (hard) and it would be nice if we could see them as four different statistics. Code that

RE: Any good product / option for Source code control

2004-01-08 Thread chris
Cary, You recall correctly, just checked the website and it's distributed under the GPL with no costs mentioned. There are also a number of other interesting utilities for download also under the GPL. Cheers, Chris Dunscombe Quoting Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED]: WinCVS has worked well

Re: table reorganizations

2004-01-08 Thread Nuno Souto
it just shattered BTW: Hippo Birdie! Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - soul, you'll see that I'm a real sweetheart. Humble and modest, too. Mirror, mirror on the wall, -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno

Re: Should we stop analyzing?

2004-01-08 Thread Nuno Souto
- Original Message - The issue here is that very few people understand how the CBO works, or what the statistics do, or how to use them properly. And a seriously *big* component of that problem is that Oracle keeps changing/patching/modifying the CBO and how it reacts to certain

Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2004, Number 008 (Out of Office

2004-01-08 Thread Tony Miller
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Re: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Tanel Poder
On that I really, really have to disagree with you. Mladen was probably joking anyway :) Tanel. Jonathan's book is not something to read When you're really, really bored. You should read it when you're wide awake and eager to learn. Short of a database that's in pieces on the floor I

Re: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Tanel Poder
site index was not null, thus causing every row to be indexed and RBO didn't use the index. Tanel. - Original Message - From: Bellow, Bambi To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:14 AM Subject: RE: Problem with understanding Op

RE: chk integrity of a .dmp exp

2004-01-08 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Create a log file of the export and scan that logfile for any errors reported by the export process. Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD:

RE: DBA tasks

2004-01-08 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Tim, while we are 'cool'ing off ... you forgot ... Denver is a 'cool' place ...does it pay 'cool' salaries? Kewl Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly

Re: ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2004, Number 008 (Out of Office

2004-01-08 Thread Richard Foote
Let's hope he's not on long service leave :) - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:44 PM -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Foote INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Re[2]: another OCP question -- help me guys

2004-01-08 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
-Original Message- [irrelevant stuff deleted] P.S. I can work powerpoint too. Close your Powerpoint.exe and S L O W L Y back away from the keyboard and nobody gets hurt ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at

RE: Progress of an index rebuild

2004-01-08 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
that also uses v$session_longops ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art !

Re: table reorganizations

2004-01-08 Thread Richard Foote
dba_tables Where blkdiff 100; To determine reorganization need. Hi Jolene You already received a number of replies why there are issues with using a general formula as above. IF a table is commonly accessed via a FTS AND, IF sufficient deletes without subsequent re-inserts (permanent table shrinkage

RE: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Give that guy (Mladen) a break ... soon he is going to be 43 in geek language he is over the hill (i.e. 42) ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly

Re: another OCP question -- help me guys

2004-01-08 Thread Richard Foote
1. Assume boson is right and recheck your answer. I disagree. Based on the questions and answers I've seen here, I would recommend that one assumes Boson is *wrong*, scratch one's head in mild confusion, utter a few expletives under one's breath and move on. Cheers ;) Richard -- Please see

Re: table reorganizations

2004-01-08 Thread Richard Foote
get my point ;) Cheers Richard - Original Message - From: Mercadante, Thomas F To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:34 AM Subject: RE: table reorganizations Jolene, Tables should never *need* to be reorganized

Re: Re[1]: OCP question from Boson practice tests

2004-01-08 Thread Richard Foote
- Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:59 AM My question, Richard, is can a person pass the exam just by studying what is correct? Or is it necessary to work harder to acquire some veneer of false knowledge

RE: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Wolfgang Breitling
Sorry, they are so engrained in my toolset that it didn't even occur to me that they could be unlnown. My apologies also to Mladen. I didn't mean to admonish him, I just found the term boring in connection with Jonathan Lewis, or his book, inappropriate. Jonathan Lewis: Practical Oracle 8i,

Re: Re[1]: OCP question from Boson practice tests

2004-01-08 Thread Richard Foote
Hi Prem Comments in line. Hi Richard , Many a thanx for both of your replies . All my worry is : do such questions appear in the real exams also ? Although there are certainly some dodgy questions and correspondingly suz answers, I think you'll find the majority of the OCP exam will have

Re: Should we stop analyzing?

2004-01-08 Thread Don Burleson
questions about stats changes are: 1- How can I list the changes to execution plans after re-analysis, A Priori? 2 - How do I justify the risk (and server expense) of re-analyzing? Some alternatives might be: 1 - Enhance the dbms_stats auto option (monitoring) to make it more intelligent

Re: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Jonathan Lewis
Conversely, the CBO is a lot smarter with this scenario that people realise. How many people knew that Oracle can resolve a query of the type: where colX is null using a b-tree index ? Try this -- drop table t1; create table t1 (n1 number, n2 number not null, n3 number); create index i1

Re: OCP Question (Perf Tuning)

2004-01-08 Thread Richard Foote
We'll thats exactly what I'm doing right now, studying Oracle University instructor guides to temporarily start thinking like OU myself again - I'll be instructing an OCP Review course next week, meant for people who want to pass OCP. And in order to not distract the students, I won't even

RE: DBA tasks

2004-01-08 Thread John Flack
I had one like that: I created a database under our 7.1.6, because We need an Oracle database for development. When? Yesterday! I gave them usernames and passwords and made sure that TNSNAMES was configured. In monitoring a few weeks later, I noticed no activity, so I asked them, That database

RE: Difference on ArchiveLog

2004-01-08 Thread Nelson, Allan
Title: Message Is there any possibility that the results you are seeing in a result of varying workloads coincidentally intersecting with your changes to redo? Otherwise it seems that the total redo for a given workload should be invariant with the log file size. Allan -Original

Re: Problem with understanding Optimization methods.

2004-01-08 Thread Don Burleson
Hi Jonathan, What release did this NULL_CHECK start with? I used to see: Execution Plan -- 0 SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=1 Card=1 Bytes=6) 1 0 TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'T1' (Cost=1 Card=1 Bytes=6) As I recall, I used-to need an

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