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John-
Just got back from a vacation and saw this... Our jr DBA is
in the process of doing this. Care to
share your code???
Thanks,
Ron Thomas
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Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of
perceived response
time. Some applications break long transactions
into several user
interactions to hide the real
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This comment coming from Mladen means something ...
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This comment coming from Mladen means something ...
Raj
Rajendra dot
: The application. Make it fast.
Me: Define fast.
Customer: As fast as possible. Do it now.
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Date: 2003/10/07 Tue PM 02:59:55 EDT
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Good point. I
-contractors.
I found the paranoia level to be especially high on US government projects.
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Date: 2003/10/08 Wed AM 07:59:24 EDT
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You point out
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Cary,
We are doing exactly that on one of our databases. After hearing _few_complaints that DB is slow (code is not), we enabled trace at level 12 for power users. Now every AM my job is to analyze 20+ trace files that I get and report back.
Once we
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Cary,
We are doing exactly that on one of our databases. After hearing
_few_complaints that DB is slow (code is not), we enabled trace at level 12
for power users. Now every AM my job is to analyze 20+ trace files that I
get and report back
Title: RE: RE: Cary's Book - new topic
Or you can look into getting the Hotsos Profiler It would definitely be money well spent!
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Thanks,
I have been using that tool for a long time now, it needs a big tablespace (cause everything is loaded in tables) and puts a load on the server. It is good for smaller files, but takes too long on larger files.
Nevertheless it is a great
found the paranoia level to be especially high on US government
projects.
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Date: 2003/10/08 Wed AM 07:59:24 EDT
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You point out something that I've found
money, and pro-long the life of the contract due to the extra red
tape.
From: Cary Millsap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/10/08 Wed AM 11:24:25 EDT
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I agree that it's common. But it's probably
Title: RE: RE: Cary's Book - new topic
Hotsos Profiler will handle it, no problem.
Cary Millsap
Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
http://www.hotsos.com
Upcoming events:
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10/28 Phoenix, 11/19 Sydney
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go to metalink and check out trace analyzer. ITs a new tool
for analyzing 10046 traces. Has ALOT more detail than tkprof. Major
improvement
clod
can have facts, having an opinion is an art !
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Raj
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Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of
perceived response
time. Some applications break long transactions
into several user
interactions to hide the real response time. The
application still
makes
its
So to define response time you must first define response? For
acceptance criteria I guess the user has to be specific about what a
response is, e.g., when a web app returns a database large result set to
a web page, if you have to wait until they entire result set is
transmitted to the client the
Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of perceived response
time. Some applications break long transactions into several user
interactions to hide the real response time. The application still makes
its SLA defined as 90% of transactions complete in 3 seconds while the
real
A totally different point: How come I see your response before I see my own
post?
At 12:39 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
Wolfgang Breitling
Oracle7, 8, 8i, 9i OCP DBA
Centrex Consulting Corporation
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Now that the response quality was mentioned, the intimately related
topic is the quality of the application itself. I frequently indulge
myself into observing things like usability:
- Are buttons in the applications created naturally, easy to press
and with good logical explanations?
- Are
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Date: 2003/10/07 Tue PM 02:59:55 EDT
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Subject: RE: Cary's Book - new topic
Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of perceived response
time. Some applications break long transactions into several user
interactions to hide
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:39, Orr, Steve wrote:
So to define response time you must first define response?
Response time is best illustrated in the Man in Black movie,
when agent Kay tells to agent Jay not to ever press that button
(scene in the car). That response time was probably tuned by
Title: RE: RE: Cary's Book - new topic
we do. We aren't 24x7, but we are 5 am Monday through 6 pm Saturday with a 48 hour permissible window IF we declare an emergency and give them 30 days notice if we are going to be down outside of the regular hours (i.e. upgrades... )
April Wells
Oracle
I've been working on websites for the last few years. The working
definition I use as response time is the time between when the user
initiates the action (mouse click, hitting enter) and the time the user
can USE the information being returned.
This means that sending back the first few
Yep, sounds familiar. So there you have your biggest hurdle for the
performance project: getting the business to set measurable targets and
prioritize the tasks that need attention. How do you Work first to reduce
the biggest response time component of a business' most important user
action.
I'm using Method R to post.
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:04, Wolfgang Breitling wrote:
A totally different point: How come I see your response before I see my own
post?
At 12:39 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
Wolfgang Breitling
Oracle7, 8, 8i, 9i OCP DBA
Centrex Consulting Corporation
It's called optimization.
Do you really need to see your post? -:)
Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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Wolfgang Breitling
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A totally different point: How come I see your response
ROTFLMAO
RF
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I'm using Method R to post.
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:04, Wolfgang Breitling wrote:
A totally different point: How come I see your response before I see
my own
post?
At 12:39 PM
Actually, something must be wrong with my feed. There are several gaps in
the messages judging from the quoted original, which I never saw, in a
response.
At 03:24 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
I'm using Method R to post.
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:04, Wolfgang Breitling wrote:
A totally different
fast.
Customer: As fast as possible. Do it now.
From: Wolfgang Breitling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/10/07 Tue PM 02:59:55 EDT
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Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of perceived
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