Nina Rach
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Does anyone on this list happen
to be in the field of orchid epigenetics?
I've been
known to make the occasional Frankenplant. They're to make the world
better, mind you, but we're working on that, too. Unfortunately, we're
still nowh
Dear Folks,
what Peter Croezen has been saying is fully correct. Seedlings of
Phragmipedium in flasks (= in vitro) are legal, no matter where the
parents come from, no matter where, by whom and from whom they were
purchased or obtained. They can be marketed without restriction in any
given cou
Hi list,
I'm afraid there is soem confusion/mixup here.
My understanding from the various contributions to this list is that the
shipping of 'List I seedlings in a flask' between countries is not
forbidden/hampered by the CITES regulations. This means that such an act
complies with CITES regula
Peter, have you ever gone climbing in the remote regions where
P. kovachii grows, or done something similar in the forests here?
While your implication that the dirt on the hands in the
photos were as a result of illegal stripping of plants, it is also as likely
that the dirt got there by s
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Thanks to everyone who has responded to my inquiry. I appreciate
clearing up some of the confusion, though I think we are doomed to be
mired in it for quite some time to come.
Heather
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Peter O'Byrne wrote:
That statement is rather patronising ... there is no way that this
occasion
was a "first sighting" because the plant has been around for ages and is
well-documented in the literature. What you probably mean is "the first
time
AOS judges have seen it", which is not the same th
Steve, take your blinders
off.
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Title: Thank you Nick!
You can read and the blinkered O'Byrne falls short. The AOS judging system, wisely, seeks to expand the knowledge base of its judges and others through the Award's Quarterly. If the AOS judges see what is for them a new or suspected new species (that's why they insist
Several people have claimed that once "legal" P. kovachii seedlings go
on general release in the outside world, those who own "illegal"
plants will be able to let them (or their progeny) surface without
fear of detection.
That statement is incorrect. We have been told that Manuel Arias has
only fi
Dear Barbara,
Finally! The voice of reason. I have been having quite a chuckle reading
all this fluff regarding "Pk". It is as if all you experts out there
were with the Jerry Fisher party who went to Peru to obtain these
costly, immature, and controvercial plants. I haven't been c
***
What have been your successes and failures with North American terrestrials
?
How long have you been able to grow a North American terrestrial before it
died ?
Any species your would recommend that, properly grown, should last 'forever'
?
***
Regards,
Viateur
I have been
In a message dated 4/14/05 11:25:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<< What have been your successes and failures with North American
terrestrials ?
How long have you been able to grow a North American terrestrial before it
died ?
Any species your would recommend that, properly grown, should la
Andy,
that's exactly what I suspected. In order to get a species into the
AOS system, you award it the first time you see it.
It therefore follows that the less the AOS judges know about a
species, the more likely it is to be awarded. And if the AOS judges
know nothing about a species, it will au
Does anyone on this list happen to be in the field of orchid epigenetics?
There's a new book out by Blackwell on "PLANT EPIGENETICS," by Peter Meyer
. It seems to me that this sort of research would wreak havoc with our
judging systems.
"Epigenetic modifications are stable but potentially revers
To Ray who said:
>Peter, have you ever gone climbing in the remote regions where P.
kovachii grows,
>or done something similar in the forests here?
Yes, I have !
>While your implication that the dirt on the hands in the photos were as
a result of illegal
>stripping of plants, it is als
Peter beat me to it. I remind everyone that this year 'Orchids' published
an article delineating Pk's DNA analysis, the analysis was done expressly
for forensic purposes.
K Barrett
N Calif, USA
Several people have claimed that once "legal" P. kovachii seedlings go
on general release in the outs
It is my understanding that the 'fruit of the poinsonous tree' still applies
to flasks of App 1 plants where the USA is concerned. If the seed wasn't
legally collected then the flask isn't legal.
I may be wrong. If so, someone will slap me down with alacrity.
K Barrett
N Calif, USA
Hi list,
I'
I'm not sure the gene forensics is that simple. With humans, we know
what segments to check on a PCR and where to find markers. On plants
however, I think it might be a little more complicated than a piece of cake.
Maybe we should direct this question to Ken Cameron?
Steve
K> Peter beat me to i
Dear Keith,
please re-read the passage of the CITES regulations Peter (Croezen)
posted on this forum. Please point out to us where it says that
seedlings in vitro produced from "illegal" parents would not be freely
tradable. Although I admit, that English is not my native tongue, I
like to be
Hi Guido. welcome back.
> do you really believe that whenever a plant of Pk surfaces, someone is
>going to do DNA testing to find out where it comes from?
I avoided expressing any opinion about that. I pointed out that it not
impossible to track these plants.
>And do you really believe that non
Peter O'Byrne who said:
>If the Peruvian authorities (or anyone else) wanted to demonstrate
the>illegality of an individual plant, they could do so, and will be in
a>position to do so for generations to come.
Peter you are absolutely right!
>The real question is, will they want to ?
I have been following the '10,000 ways to ignore the 2 year sale limit'
comments and been biting my tongue. I was blessedly raised by a father who,
in the words of the 'old' army, was "An Officer and Gentleman" and taught me
the meaning of "My Word is My Bond." 'Nough said.
Jerry in IN
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I consider Jerry Fischer to be a very nice
man, knowledgeable in orchids
and a respected businessman,
but Jerry, I take exception to your
statement:
>As for the Manuel Arias saga, I would like to
suggest that the true story
>of what really happened with his arrest has not
been properly r
I know not everyone here has taken any laws classes, so let me clear
this whole agreement issue up. If Jerry signed a contract saying that he
would not sell them or export them for two years, that is a totally valid
contract. What many of you don't understand is that in a contract, you can
give up
Title: Another typical O'Byrne rant.
O'Byrne is pretty thick, many of us know this already. A CBR is what it says it is, a Certificate of Botanical Merit and is NOT a quality award. Even student AOS judges understand this, he seems unable or unwilling to. I am sure Acriopsis is a weed somewhe
I first asked Peter for an explanation of his basis for concluding that
agreements restricting
the redistribution of CITES covered plants were unenforceable. Despite replies
from Peter and
Guido arguing that this conclusion follows from the lack of such a
redistribution prohibition
in CITES, I
Bert wrote:
"We were informed by Norris that he had to pledge his home in Houston as collateral for Arias' bail and Arias stayed with Norris pending a sentencing hearing."
Since Arias skipped the country, does that mean Norris lost his home?
Mark
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At 11:10 AM 4/15/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>***
>What have been your successes and failures with North American terrestrials
>?
>How long have you been able to grow a North American terrestrial before it
>died ?
>Any species your would recommend that, properly grown, should last 'forever'
>
Steve Topletz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spaketh thusly:
> I'm not sure the gene forensics is that simple. With
> humans, we know what segments to check on a PCR and where
> to find markers. On plants however, I think it might be a
> little more complicated than a piece of cake.
I think it gets rath
When you are, as I am, an interested novice sitting on the sidelines, it is
sometimes interesting to watch the experts (and I certainly include Peter and
Andy in that category) pick nits out of a statement or procedure, while
studiously avoiding the obvious intent of the matter under
To Jerry who said:
>The Arias family has spent a great deal of
money and made a huge effort to >produce kovachii flasks and to produce
may other Peruvian species from seed.
Jerry, please, the latter is a myth and
probably another charming story, told you on your recent
visit to the Arias
Hi,
I have decided that I have said all I wanted to say
about Pk and Arias.
(No need to thank me !!! )
It will get more boring, the longer
we carry on about it.
Peter
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Dear Peter and others,
I personally am a species freak and have been so for twenty years and
can attest that I have never seen Acriopsis liliifolia [javanica] in
bloom here in the US. I will admit that my only source area is south
Florida. I have gone to close to 75 different nusrseries in this
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<< Here is a photo of Dr. Wil Neptune's plant... all those growths
are from one original individual:
http://www.orchidspecies.com/orphotdir/pogoophisioglossa.jpg
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Prem kindly referred to my plant of Rose Pogonia. This is the o
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My best long term success with an N. American terestrial has been with
C.acaule.I have clumps that have been growing since I first planted them
close to 20 years ago. However I have them planted at my summer place in
Cutchogue, LI...and acaule is native to those woods (although rare, of
course.
Most everyone in this list is familiar with the Prohibition back in the 20´s
in the USA. Some very pious church ladies persuaded their politician
husbands to pass a law banning the sale of all forms of alcohoolic drinks
in the USA. We all know the results: people drank like never before, illegal
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Andy's latest dart, targeted at Peter
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me cavalierly that "...you will not be among the judges at the Miami WOC in
2008." He now asserts that he, "... will be part of a committee whose task
is to ensure that
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