"orchid named after former Senator Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino Jr. during the
commemoration of his 25th death anniversary.
...
During a... commemoration of Aquino's death... a fully-grown eight-year-old
hybrid variety of orchid producing yellow blooms was presented and
officially named Dendrobium Nin
caption : "Datin Seri Jeanne Abdullah holding the new hybrid orchid named
Dendrobium Datin Seri Jeanne at the Malaysia Agriculture, Horticulture and
Agrotourism Show 2008"
URL : http://www.nst.com.my/Saturday/National/2322591/insidepix1
Regards,
VB
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"Horticulture researchers... have created a new orchid hybrid after 14
years of tests and experiments.
... a crossbreed of a new species that has not been officially
registered... and another known orchid.
The new orchid, with pale yellowish-greenish flowers that slowly turn
yellowish-white, wa
"Chinese actress Zhou Xun...
to have an orchid named after her in Singapore...
was bestowed that honour at the Singapore Garden Festival...
Dendrobium Zhou Xun... bears up to 20 flowers.
...
the environmentally conscious actress... promotes environmental awareness and
is a United Nations Developme
"Dendrobium lineale
... antelope orchid native to the low-lying areas around Madang and the
Sepik River of Papua New Guinea...
other forms are found on smaller islands off the coast of New Guinea.
The term antelope is used because of the orchid's erect, twisted petals,
like antelope horns.
... e
the
roots are 4 inches long. Then cut or gently twist it off and pot it up.
It would be labeled the same as the mother plant.
Good luck,
Lee
> Original Message
> Subject: [OGD] dendrobium
> From: Jean De Witte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, April 22
I have this dendrobium thyrsiflorum which flowered out. Now at the base
of the whitered inflorescence stalk I see a root system developing. What
can I expect and how should I treat it?
Thanks,
Jean
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Julia [Redman] wrote : "Dend. brymerianum... What moisture requirements...
does it have a pronounced dormant period?
Henry Teuscher, in American Orchid Society Bulletin, December 1974, page
1054, wrote :
"During its rest period, the plant should be kept on the dry side though
not severely dry,
Kathy [Figiel] wrote :
"Den. speciosum var. hillii 'Don Brown' CCM/AOS... received a 99 pt. CCM in
1998 at the Santa Barbara Orchid Show... article in Orchids magazine"
see photos :
Orchids, August 1998, pages 805, 806, 807, 809.
AOS Awards Quarterly, September 1998, page 240
AOS Awards Quarterl
I don't know about the Den speciosum in New York, but I was on the
judging team which awarded a very high CCM to a plant of that species
owned by Santa Barbara Orchid Estate in California. There is an AOS
award slide of it and I'm sure SBOE has a picture of it. It was magnificent!!
Bev
"Dendrobium kengianum , petites fleurs roses parfumées... parmi les plus
faciles à vivre
...
dans une pièce fraiche, dont la température ne dépasse pas 18°C. 16°, cest
mieux
ne se rempote que lorsque les racines débordent de partout...
Larrosage... parcimonieux...
davril au mois doctobre
"[q. & a.]
Q. In our bay window, we have... a Dendrobium that never blooms... dark
green foliage... watered twice a week...
A. ,,, Dendrobium... popular because the... flowers last for months and the
plants are considered easy to grow...
Dendrobiums, on the other hand, prefer intermediate light
Hi Jay.
The orthographic correction you are seeking was given in Nord.J.Bot.
22, 6: 527 (2002). The incorrectly-spelled name Dendrobium lanyaiae
was corrected to Dendrobium lamyaiae Seidenfaden.
Cheers,
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Hi Ogd's
I am trying to find someone that has Nordic J. Bot. 16: 139 (1996
Could you please give the correct spelling for Dendrobium la{M}[n]yiae
Kew has it as lamyiae
Ipni has it as lanyiae
Mobot does not list it.
I seem to remember this coming into discussion on OGD. Help Please!!
IOSPE [www.o
Hi,
The picture on the link below is look like Den.
williamsonii that found here.
http://tinyurl.com/2pxb4o
Regards,
KP
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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Dear Eric and Ogd's
Dendrobium schrautii Schildh.
J. Orchideenfr. 13(2): 164 (-170; figs.). 2006 [May 2006
Found on IPNI
http://www.us.ipni.org/ipni/plantnamesearchpage.do
Found in Lam Dong Province Vietnam
Jay Pfahl
www.orchidspecies.com
I now have more than 7000 species and will be over 7100 in
Eric [Hunt] asked : "Dendrobium schrautii... info?"
The name Dendrobium schrautii Schildh.
was published in J. Orchideenfr. 13(2): 164 [May 2006].
Distribution: Vietnam (Indo-China, Asia-Tropical)
Locality: Lam Dong Prov., Dalat, Lambiang
article :
Schildhauer, Herbert:
2006Dendrobi
Hi,
I recently photographed a plant labeled Dendrobium schrautii:
http://tinyurl.com/2pxb4o
The name is not in the Kew Monocot Checklist, but there are a few other
Google hits for the name, so it's got some distribution.
Anyone have any more info?
Thanks,
-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org
No
Kath,
Depending on which Dendrobium you have it is probably normal part of
its growth cycle. Many Dendrobiums loose their leaves as they head
into winter and you need to cut back on the watering of these plants.
What is the name of the plant, that is the key to saying if it is
dying or jus
Hello All,
Here's hoping you can advise me on why my orchids are dying! I have
only just begun keeping epiphytic orchids. One Dendrobium looks
sunbleached and leaves are starting to fall off. It is kept in the
bathroom out of direct sunlight. The other has had yellowing of it's
leaves and is go
Marc and Charlie -
Thanks for the advice - this did not look like a plant
that would like to grow upright (or be able to!). Of
course, the photos of the flowers are just beautiful.
Charlie - good to hear about your 'dwarfing'
technique. I had thought I was doing pretty well,
keeping some plants dec
In a recent posting, Nancy asked for the best way to grow Dendrobium
chrysnathum. With its pendent growth habit, it is probably more easily
managed if grown in a hanging basket filled with an open, fast-draining
medium. It may also be grown mounted, but providing enough water when it is
actively gr
Greetings -
What is the best way to physically grow this plant?
All the photos that I've seen seem to show pendant
foliage, though my newly-acquired plant is a cluster
of reed-like stems. I now have read that the
individual canes can reach 6-8' (0ver 2.5m!).
How do members grow this? Potted? Mount
"President Kim Il Sung...
Kimilsungia named after him...
In April... 1965... Kim Il Sung... visit to Indonesia.
When he was on a visit to the Bogor Botanical Gardens, the then Indonesian
president Sukarno said to him that a newly-bred beautiful and rare [?]
flower of the orchid family was to be
Gerhard [Pratter] asked : "2003 described Holger Perner in... 'Die
Orchidee' a... vietnamese Dendrobium species as Dendrobium trantuanii. One
year later Leonid Averyanow described the same species in the magazine...
'Orchids' as Dendrobium tuananhii. Which is the correct name now?"
Dendrobium t
2003 described Holger Perner in the german orchid magazine 'Die
Orchidee' a new vietnamese Dendrobium species as Dendrobium trantuanii.
One year later Leonid Averyanow described the same species in the
magazine of the AOS 'Orchids' as Dendrobium tuananhii. Which is the
correct name now?
G. Pratter
Dear OGD
I need help with Dendrobium aphyllum [Is it the pink, super fragrant
flower commonly known as D pieardii or agreen fimbiate lip or another]
and if there are differences between it - Dendrobium cuculattum [is this
the right name for the pink D pieardii] and D. stuartii/ D tetradon
[com
Dear OGD
I need help with Dendrobium aphyllum [Is it the pink, super fragrant
flower commonly known as D *pieardii.* or agreen fimbiate lip or
another] and if there are differences between it - Dendrobium cuculattum
[is this the right name for the pink D *pieardii?]* and D. stuartii/ D
tetrado
"Q. How long does it take Dendrobium buds to open?...
A. [from Arthur Chadwick] ... blooms whenever it feels like it, often in
the summer and fall during the long sunny days and sometimes more than once
a year. New canes or old can sprout at any time... There is no way to
encourage it...
It is
Greetings everyone from South Florida.
My dendrobium anosmums have sprouted buds about two months early this year,
I'm sure due to the unseasonably high temperatures thus far.
Now we are having cold snaps into the 50's. I'm afraid the plants will go
back into dormancy and the buds will fall of
Thanks, Peter. I found a picture of D. archipelagense at
gallery.orchidspng.com along with the note that it used to be referred
to as D. antennatum 'Apple Green.' It seems to be a fairly good
match. I will watch my plant to see if the flowers fade as they age,
because right now they are much
w-green then cream as they age.
You'll have to decide for yourself if it shuold be called D.
strepsiceros or D. archipelagense.
Cheers,
Peter O'Byrne
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:09:04 -0500
From: "Nicholas Plummer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [OGD] Dendrobium antennatum
I recently purchased an odd Dendrobium seedling, a selfing of a plant
labeled Dendrobium antennatum 'Green Form.' The mother plant apparently
came from Lonne's Orchid Nursery in Cairns. My plant is currently blooming,
and the flowers are a pale green wherever a normal D. antennatum would be
w
Hi all,
in my glasshouse now is flowering Dend. transparens. For me it looks
like Dend. nobile. How I can tell apart these two species? Is there a
significant criterion for D. transparens?
Best regards,
Gerhard Pratter
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Frikkie [Marais] asked : "if Den. crumenatum has ever been awarded"
Dendrobium crumenatum 'Kay' CCM/AOS
see : AOS Awards Quarterly, Vol. 1, No. 2, April 1970, page 52.
***
Regards,
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Hi
Does anybody know if Den. crumenatum has ever been awarded in the USA, UK,
Australia,South East Asia or Japan?
Regards
Frikkie Marais
South Africa
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Australia,South East Asia or Japan?
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In 2004 I bought some Cattleya flasks from a local supplier,
and was given in addition, a flask marked “Den. harpophyllum” . I
was told that it was a species. At the time I did not pay much attention and
species was welcome, but just another species, as my interest was elsewhere at
the tim
In OGD V8 #364, Hendrik asked about horticultural conditions that
would induce flowering in Dendrobium altissimum.
Hendrik, to the best of my knowledge, this name has never been
published, which would explain why the plant is not commonly seen in
your area.
Cheers,
Peter O'Byrne
Back in Singapor
Hi to all on thie list
One of our members has asked for help. He has a
large specimem of Dendrobium altissimum which he has been growing for many years
(in almost full sun). The plant is large and healthy, but has never flowered for
him. Can anyone help with some advice about inducing floweri
Paul was asking if Dendrobium kingianum var. silcockii is still accepted in
judging circles.
Firstly the term "var. silcockii" is no longer accepted botanically, as it
is just a colour form of this variable species, having white tepals and a
purple to lilac stained labellum.
What has caused this
Dera OGD's
With my ongoing research for IOSPE I have come across a conundrum and
would hope that someone could tell me if Dendrobium pumilum Swartz 1805
was described with one or two leaves. I need someone who can look at a
copy of the original as I do not have it.
Both Bulbophyllum pumilum [Sw
Does anyone know of any techniques which might help in the pollination
of Dendrobium unicum in culture?
I have not had any success with my plants so far, with both attempted
selfings and sibling crosses. This seems consistent with the statement
in Baker and Baker that attempts at pollination have
This is a question for anyone who reckons they're an expert in hybridizing Dendrobiums.
If someone was to cross Dendrobium lancifolium (wiry stems, large single-flowered inflorescences) with a typical inter-sectional Dendrobium hybrid (something with lots of D. bigibbum in it, to provide velvety
Dear OGDers,
Earlier this year we had some posts on this list about Dendrobium Kimilsungia.
A friend who traveled to PyongYang shared some photos she took while
visiting the city.
See some depictions of the flower of that hybrid at the following address :
http://pages.infinit.net/viateurb/Den
t; again in Orchids 73 (2):134-136 by Averyanov.
>
> If you still need the scans I can send them to you.
>
> icones
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nik Fahmi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:45 PM
> Subject: [OGD] D
Hi,
Sorry but I am replying to my own post. I just discover that Kew
& IPNI has both names in their monocot checklist at per
http://www.kew.org/searchepic/searchpage.do
I found that Den trantuanii description : Perner & X.N.Dang,
Orchidee (Hamburg) 54: 220 (2003) so apparently it's an
earlier
send them to you.
icones
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:45 PM
Subject: [OGD] Dendrobium tuananhii or trantuanii?
Hi all,
Does anybody know which is the valid name of this newly
discovered Vietnamese species.
Hi all,
Does anybody know which is the valid name of this newly
discovered Vietnamese species. I have Orchids (Feb. 2004)
magazine which published the description of this species as
Den. tuananhiii Averyanov but I were told it was also published
in Orchidee as Den trantuanii. I do not have Orc
Peter O'Byrne wrote:
Chuck,
the plant you've seen (a lithophytic species with very small round
pseudobulbs and small white flowers with some purple veining on the
lip) probably isn't D. gregulus.
D. gregulus is an epiphytic species (tree branches in open deciduous
forest) with small onion-shape
Chuck,
the plant you've seen (a lithophytic species with very small round
pseudobulbs and small white flowers with some purple veining on the
lip) probably isn't D. gregulus.
D. gregulus is an epiphytic species (tree branches in open deciduous
forest) with small onion-shaped pseudobulbs, deciduou
Peter O'Byrne wrote:
Chuck Hanson asked:
"Anyone know where I might find Dendrobium gregulus?"
Chuck, what do you think D. gregulus looks like ? Which "D. gregulus"
do you mean ?
Peter O'Byrne
in Singapore
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Chuck Hanson asked:
"Anyone know where I might find Dendrobium gregulus?"
Chuck, what do you think D. gregulus looks like ? Which "D. gregulus"
do you mean ?
Peter O'Byrne
in Singapore
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David Banks mentioned:
> I don't believe that Dendrobium lichenastrum or Dendrobium toressae have
ever been formally transferred within the genus Dockrillia.
Brieger originally proposed Lichenastra as a section of Dockrillia which
included D. lichenastra and D. toressae. Why they weren't later in
Steve,
I think I've been interpreting Yukawa's words differently to you. He said:
"The number of base differences and sequence divergences within the
ITS region were as follows: D. suzukii-D.formosanum: 38, 0,0801; D.
suzukii-D.cruentum: 28, 0,0592; D. suzukii-D.tobaense: 38, 0.0803.
Based on the
I've been following the interesting discussion about whether or not D. suzukii
is a new species or
hybrid, probably man made rather than natural, between D. cruentum and
tobaense. It seems to me
that the DNA analysis by Tomohisa Yukawa that Kathy Barrett pointed out put
limits on the
discussio
Michael,
Dendrobium falcorostrum is generally found around the 1000m mark along
eastern Australia, from the Barrington Tops region in central New South
Wales northwards just into south-eastern Queensland. I have seen it growing
in the wild in at least five locations.
It is a lover of the cool mist
I'm considering adding Dendrobium falcorostrum to my orchid collection, and I'd like to see if anyone has experience with this species. I've read that it prefers cool conditions in order to thrive, which might be a problem for me since I live in the Midwestern portion of the US, where our days are
Peter, many thanks for elucidating on Dendrobium furcatum. Your
descriptions are as close as many of us will get to being there. Also
thanks to Jose for searching out the synonymy. This leads me to think
that Dendrobium furcatum is probably not a parent of Dendrobium Mousmee
(Dendr. furcatum
Hi Bernard
You asked about Dendrobium furcatum after Sandra Hardy gave you the
parentage of Dendr. Mousmee as D. furcatum x D. thyrsiflorum. I can
make no authoritative comment on D. furcatum being used in a hybrid
(even though it seems improbable), but I can comment on D. furcatum,
since I was ac
A review of the Kew Database yields the following:
1- Dendrobium furcatum Reinw. ex Lindl., J. Proc. Linn. Soc., Bot. 3: 13
(1859).
Homotypic Synonyms:
Callista furcata (Reinw. ex Lindl.) Kuntze, Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 654 (1891).
Dolichocentrum furcatum (Reinw. ex Lindl.) Brieger, Schlecht
Sandra Hardy kindly gave me the parentage of Dendr. Mousmee (Dendr.
furcatum x Dendr. thrysiflorum). Now the question is about Dendr.
furcatum. Dendrobium and Its Relatives (Stocker, G et al)
lists Dendr. furcatum (syn. amabile, sarasinorum, dolchiocentrum) with
a line drawing by J.J. Smith
I've just described Dendrobium sutiknoi, a large showy new species in
section Spatulata, in the May 2005 edition of Journal fur den
Orchideenfreund.
The species, which occurs in New Guinea and Morotai Island
(Indonesia), appears to come in two colour forms ... bronze-orange and
yellow-green. It is
Can anyone supply some information about Dendrobium Mousmee? A web
search and my reference books have given little concrete information
about this old hybrid. Bernard C. Gerrard
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Hello all,
A few questions for our Australian list members...
I "fairly recently" bought & read "Dendrobium kingianum: A Unique
Australian Orchid".
In this book they mention a group called "Hastings
Kingianum Growers Group": do they still exist ?
Anybody have contact details for them ?
It appears that one of my plants of Dendrobium
brymerianum may be the variety histrionicum. The buds did not open at all but
self pollinated . My initial reading indicates that this is a habit of this
variety, that it happens occasionally and may be dependent on growing
conditions.
Does anyo
I will (probably) be visiting Singapore for a very short visit and would
like to visit some nurseries specialising in dendrobium hybrids for tropical
cut-flower markets. If anyone knows of such nurseries, could they please
e-mail me their contact details (names, e-mail addresses etc.) - preferably
Hello the List!
Den. forbesii:
Does this species need any special treatment to flower. The plant is a
seedling, and there are four ps'bulbs - the tallest of which is four inches with
two four inch leaves. I have it in a bright area, around four hours of
direct sun in the AM. I'm letting it
Title: Dendrobium falcorostrum.
Charles, what an interesting story about the roos and one which I certainly never heard in Australia. When I was a cymbidium hybridizer in New Zealand we always had plenty of casualties. As we took the losers to the rubbish tip in barrows the resident goats wou
FYI :
"The honohono orchid, Dendrobium anosmum, has been popular in Hawai'i for
many years.
Honohono in Hawaiian refers to the plants' growth habit of alternating
leaves...
... but it is the flowers and not the leaves that people remember it by.
... it is the honohono orchid flower's incredible
Scott,
You wrote : "interested in seeing a picture and maybe a description of Den.
schulleri"
1) picture : in addition to the references provided by Bob Betts, you might
be interested to have a look at the following one :
Orchadian 13(11): 489 (2002).
[where Dendrobium schulleri J.J.Sm. is consi
Scott D. Trainor asked:
>I was interested in seeing a picture and maybe a description of
>Den.schulleri, but I couldn't find any in my usual sources.
>Wildcatt shows that a VERY large plant 'Chet' received a CCM
>in 1969, but flowers described simply as "typical". The Baker's
>book gives cul
I was interested in seeing a picture and maybe a description of Den.
schulleri, but I couldn't find any in my usual sources. The only
picture I found online was a plant with maybe 2 leaves. Wildcatt shows
that a VERY large plant 'Chet' received a CCM in 1969, but flowers
described simply as "typi
In case anybody has one (including Australia), that little Home Depot Dendrobium Ted Davis x Snowfire has been registered as Memoria Mister Terrific (a lovely brown tabby). I wanted to name it after our Boston terrier, but Julian misunderstood the name.
Iris
Scott,
Neither is entirely correct. The plant illustrated on:
http://orchid.dion.jp/den/ho21.htm
is D. capituliflorum Rolfe. This website is not highly accurate;
almost half of the names are mis-spelt (probably due to the Japanese
origin), and some of the species are misidentified.
Other webs
I have a plant that was given to me that is supposedly Den. mimens. I
did find a pic that matches it on the internet under Den. mimens
http://orchid.dion.jp/den/ho21.htm . I also found a site
www.speciesorchids.com/NewsletterFebruary02.html (Burleigh Park
Orchids)which mentions a plant Den. m
On Dec 2004, at 5:03 AM, Peter O'Byrne wrote:
S.E.Asia does not have a direct equivalent of the
New World hummingbirds or the Hawaiian honeycreepers. The bird groups
that come nearest would be sunbirds, spiderhunters and flowerpeckers,
all of which are mainly insectivores that supplement their die
I've been away and only just got round to seeing OGD Vol 6, Issues 49, 50 & 51.
Michael Corn was "looking for information or other references with
respect to whether the pollinator has been identified and studied for
Den. cruentum or similar species in Section formosae (e.g., Den.
suzukii, Den. t
From a news story in the Jakarta Post :
"Dendrobium spetabile [sic]. This species is found in Papua (the eastern
part of Indonesia), Papua New Guinea, and the Solomon Islands...
Sofyan Wanggai... spent a lot of time hunting for the orchid from the Papua
deep wild forests. Initially, in 1972, the
Your mystery plant is Dendrobium goldschmidtianum Kraenzl., a species that
had long been known as D. miyakei Schltr.
Basically Kraenzlin and Schlechter hated each other and Kraenzlin wouldn't
allow Schlechter to see the type specimen of D. goldschmidtianum.
I did an inventory of the refound Kraen
Grieg,
Dendrobium topaziacum Ames is a synonym for D. bullenianum Rchb.f. The
flowers are yellow with orange to red stripes.
The plant you've illustrated looks like D. goldschmidtianum Krl, (Syn. D.
miyakei Schltr.), which is native to Batan, (an island north of the
Philippines, about halfway to
A beautiful dendrobe was shown on our plant table at the September meeting of
the Tygerberg Orchid Group, labelled Dendrobium topaziacum.
So far, all the pictures of this species I can find, and all the descriptions,
indicate that Dendrobium topaziacum has orange flowers. I have posted up a
pictur
Lauren :
You wrote : "The name they gave me was Dendrobium burana."
Actually, there are 28 Dendrobium Burana hybrids registered (Burana Angel,
Burana Beauty...).
Please see :
http://www.rhs.org.uk/research/registerpages/orchidsearch.asp
To find out what insect(s) might pollinate your
Hi there,
I am a graduate student in biological illustration at Johns Hopkins University and
require some information regarding orchid pollination. I have a hybrid species of
Dendrobium orchid... I am wondering what sort of insect might pollinate this orchid in
the wild, if it were to occur in
Hello Greig.
Apologies for spelling your name wrong in my last posting.
Some of the assumptions you used as a basis for your arguments in your
posting (OGD V6 #365) are very familiar to anyone who has followed Mark
Clements' and David Jones' work on Australian orchids. The problem is, they
are la
Hi Greg,
I have no difficulty with anything in the article you wrote, reference:
http://www.geocities.com/pennypoint9/dendrob.html
Most of the stuff is well covered in the literature. The photos at the
bottom are clear and detailed, and portray the forms of D. bigibbum and D.
phalaenopsis that w
nt: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:06 PM
Subject: [OGD] Dendrobium bigibbum, D. phalaenopsis and a challenge to the
splitters.
In OGD V6 #353, Alexis said:
"According to the RHS website, Den. Orchidwood is still an accepted hybrid
name. In my opinion, if the hybrid name is still acc
In OGD V6 #353, Alexis said:
"According to the RHS website, Den. Orchidwood is still an accepted hybrid
name. In my opinion, if the hybrid name is still accepted, then how can
they (D. biggibum and D. phalaenopsis) be the same species."
Alexis, if you search through the OGD archives, you'll find
Eric, the plant illustrated on
http://tinyurl.com/36hje
is indeed Dendrobium farmeri. This colour form has never been formally
described, so your use of the name Dendrobium farmeri var. aurea is
incorrect (plus, it would be "aureum", not "aurea").
The first record of this colour form appears to
Had dead roots on dendrobium superbum that was completely overgrown in
the 4" pot it was in. Hacked them all away. Is this customary on
these? I'm new at getting them to rebloom, but followed Iris' advice
and was successful this year. (Thank you again, Iris.) Having trouble
with plants that ha
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