Re: [OSList] Long moments of silence

2012-11-17 Thread Bernhard Weber
Peggy, might be, that (the perception of) COMPLEXITY produces a (first) feeling of beeing overwhelmed And digesting needs time. (Maybe there is a similarity to some long and deep silences I also experienced when the complex GESTALT of the mindmaps in FSConferences became evident to everybody i

[OSList] OS Spirit in visual arts

2012-11-18 Thread Bernhard Weber
Not exactly Open Space Technology but certainly OS spirit. That is what brings their "spirit" LORORULU to action in Vienna/Austria: "We cannot force LORORULU to appear, but we can remove obstacles and contribute constructively." Three painters (women), who are no friends, have been meeting regul

Fwd: failure notice

2011-03-28 Thread Bernhard Weber
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[Oslist] Hi everyone again

2011-04-05 Thread Bernhard Weber
I use this opportunity to tell you that I am still present in oslist although just lurking since months and (successfully) struggling with my live as a MS patient and redefining my work as change-facilitator and OD consultant in Sri Lanka and Austria. Right now I am in the process of defining a

Re: [OSList] FW: Welcome to the 5th principle in order to remain 4

2011-06-08 Thread Bernhard Weber
Boy/Girl: This multi-logue brings us around. Apart from the fact that the inseparability of time-space was a fundamental understanding of our world that Einstein brought to us I just notice that the GENIUS LOCI is something I try to connect with wherever I do a Workshop. And that seems to be co

Re: [OSList] FW: Welcome to the 5th principle in order to remain 4

2011-06-08 Thread Bernhard Weber
Yes please dig it out for me and probably others Bernd Bernd Weber > Change Facilitation s.r.o., A Global Partner Who Makes Change Happen in > Complex Environments; www.change-facilitation.com, > www.change-management-toolbook.com bernd.we...@change-facilitation.org; > (iPhone Austria: +43 664

Re: [OSList] PLAYING WITH THE WAVES (of Change)

2011-10-02 Thread Bernhard Weber
Dear Esther, I am sorry, but the october 2o11 WS in Sultaniye is not happening. The Sultanyie Hupfauers have decided, that they want to have some substantial infra-structure improvement has to take place beforehand. So the next WS will happen in 2012 and there may be several venues, Sultaniye/Tu

Re: [OSList] Why I Actually Like Calling it "The Law of Two Feet"

2011-12-11 Thread Bernhard Weber
Dear Peggy and all I fully agree to your YING/YANG interpretation of these two aspects. And when I read, what you wrote, I walked mentally back to my old "politically radical times". In spring of 1976, a big area in Vienna/Austria, that had been used as "Auslandsschlachthof" (forein imports sla

Re: [OSList] Why I Actually Like Calling it "The Law of Two Feet"

2011-12-11 Thread Bernhard Weber
HIHI "centuries" was a not-intended pun/errow. I wanted to speak of "more than 1o years" Bernd Am 11.12.2011 um 12:19 schrieb Bernhard Weber: > Dear Peggy and all > > I fully agree to your YING/YANG interpretation of these two aspects. > And when I read, w

Re: [OSList] OST - Open Systems Thinking

2011-12-13 Thread Bernhard Weber
Hi Artur Interesting indeed. Though my first emotional reaction was: being embarrassed (because they have "stolen" the OST Acronym;-) Bernardo Bernd Weber > Change Facilitation s.r.o., A Global Partner Who Makes Change Happen in > Complex Environments; www.change-facilitation.com, > www.change-

[OSList] Individual and collective master (was: OST - Open Systems Thinking)

2011-12-13 Thread Bernhard Weber
Harrison and all I like the recently upcoming discussion about the history of Systems Thinking, but I would also like to make a big jump from this. I am not shure, but to me it seems to not be by pure "accident". 1. Recently Stanley park wrote "Now is the territory of Peace- Nirvana" 2. And s

Re: [OSList] Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends

2012-02-24 Thread Bernhard Weber
Yes Artur, based on my own life and working experience, meanwhile most of it in Ex-colonized countries, our job is, to HELP (I would meanwhile formulate it in a more systemic-adequate way: FACILITATE) to learn, to learn how to learn (as a way of being) and - though inicially accepting the Teac

Re: [OSList] the oracle's musings

2012-02-24 Thread Bernhard Weber
Doug, I know people who have or have no trust in other people, in organizations, in promises, in recommended solutions And there may be events where people with more or less (mutual or self-) trust are meeting. And there are lots of examples for Open Space with both types. But what do you

Re: [OSList] Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends

2012-02-25 Thread Bernhard Weber
Harrison, I have been living so long under conditions where the giver/beggar word pairing is not only a metaphor (Beira is the capital of Sofala province in Mozambique), so I had to deal with the problem also at a very practical level and on base of that I want to say: I fully agree and woul

Re: [OSList] the oracle's musings

2012-02-25 Thread Bernhard Weber
evil, where one class has traditionally subjugated another, or in a > company where sales people don't talk with engineers who won't talk with > manufacturing > > :- Doug. > > On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:32 +0530, Bernhard Weber wrote: >> Do

Re: [OSList] Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends

2012-02-25 Thread Bernhard Weber
your options, view the archives of OSLIST > Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Bernhard Weber > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:

[OSList] A new term for 'facilitation'? was: Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends

2012-02-25 Thread Bernhard Weber
ing a 'nutricionist' was a very useful role aspect I had contributed. Not only ;-) On Feb 25, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Artur Silva wrote: > Yes, Bernardo, you are right. Sometimes one must give the fish, teach to fish > and also help learning how to learn. > > You are also right th

Re: [OSList] A new term for 'facilitation'? was: Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends

2012-02-26 Thread Bernhard Weber
se similar to "cultivating the land")? > > Artur > > From: Bernhard Weber > To: OSLIST New Adress > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:53 AM > Subject: [OSList] A new term for 'facilitation'? was: Teach Them to Fish / A > Note to My Friends > >

Re: [OSList] Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends

2012-02-26 Thread Bernhard Weber
Peggy, what you wrote had a lot of meaning for me. So after this series of postings concerning the critique of "giving fish" because distributing fish would be a hindrance for the Open Space magic to work, or in the best of cases: a loss of time... you looked deeper into the (statistically rar

Re: [OSList] Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends

2012-02-26 Thread Bernhard Weber
opps, what I wanted to say is: Consider fish distribution in cases of freedom shock or extreme lack of context orientation On Feb 27, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Peggy Holman wrote: > I'd like to dive under the metaphor of "distributing fish" when opening > space. What I'm about to say may be contro

Re: [OSList] A new term for 'facilitation'? was: Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends

2012-02-28 Thread Bernhard Weber
distinctions that develop capacity “to fish”. In other > words, a facilitator does not teach to fish, a facilitator creates > (facilitates, generates) the conditions that allows participants to make > sense of "fishing", to realize that they can “fish” and to find the best way &g

Re: [OSList] A new term for 'facilitation'? was: Teach Them to Fish / A Note to My Friends

2012-02-28 Thread Bernhard Weber
other > words, a facilitator does not teach to fish, a facilitator creates > (facilitates, generates) the conditions that allows participants to make > sense of "fishing", to realize that they can “fish” and to find the best way > to "fish" for them. >

Re: [OSList] swimming with the fish

2012-02-28 Thread Bernhard Weber
Kerry, thanks for the thread title, that resumes a lot of this discussion for me Bernd On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Kerry Napuk wrote: > Hi Ho > > Interesting thread when Harrison started fishing. > > Of course, you do not need to train to open space. It is an experiential > process. It rem

Re: [OSList] Naming options for the silent leader

2012-03-02 Thread Bernhard Weber
I like that, Bernd On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Barry Owen wrote: > ninja healer > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Suzanne Daigle wrote: > To jump in with a spirit of fun. > > Courage booster: > > Courage comes from the word heart and booster for me means igniting new > possibilities to e

Open Space concepts in other fields (ART)

2008-12-09 Thread Bernhard Weber
Hi, the (spirit of) open space is used by radical artists in Austria. If you want to have a look (english and german version) go to www.openspace-zkp.org Bernd Bernd Weber Change Facilitation s.r.o., A Global Partner Who Makes Change Happen in Complex Environments; www.change-facilitation.o

Re: Why is a grid sometimes useful?

2009-08-05 Thread Bernhard Weber
Hi, all Thank you all for this practical-theoretical discussion. I always have done it with grid. Why? No reason, I had not even thought about it. It seemed "natural" to me. I am a physicist by my original academic training. So this not-thinking seems to have been triggered by that (secondary )

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-18 Thread Bernhard Weber via OSList
> On 10 Dec 2015, at 11:36, helene via OSList > wrote: > > thanks for all of this! > we are trusting in unlimited love > so perhaps we don't like to get aware of our limits (= inner limits and/or OS > limits) > > but indeed: if we invite very widely or even aim at "Trump-ists" and, for >

Re: [OSList] Open Space wherever, however, whenever, with whomever as often as you can

2015-12-18 Thread Bernhard Weber via OSList
> Hi Helene and all open-spacers out there! After a long time of just lurking occasionally because of health trouble, I am back again. Right now from Maputo/Mozambique. You wrote: > But nobody can guess what proportion may give a critical mass in each > different circonstances, and it would