Tova--
Got it!
Doug. Germann
On 12/20/21 3:22 PM, Tova Averbuch via OSList wrote:
*I have changed my mail address a while ago and had some challenges
with posting.*
*This is a test*
*Please let me know if this comes through*
Love
Tova
Please update to : t...@tovaaverbuch.com <mailt
Mark--
Sounds like a good idea. Why don't you see to it?
:- Doug. Germann
On 10/24/21 1:50 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
To the list serve Gods: Maybe it's time for a list serve tune up
how about adding Chris Corrigan's method of story sharing so we can
collect eve
Marc and Michael--
Thank you to you each for such evocative posts.
And your reminder to be totally present and totally invisible suggests
to me the impossible work that ancestors and elders do in our midst, and
opening space for them to do so.
:- Doug. Germann
On 3/22/21 6:32 AM, Michael M
Jeff--
Wonderfully evocative!
Thank you.
:- Doug.
On 2/3/21 1:15 AM, Jeff Aitken via OSList wrote:
Rockport (a poem)
When crossing open space
Use the edges of your eyes.
The old ones say that golden keys
Rest under the smallest stones,
Cared for by guards, who know
The secrets of
Paul--
I love to see your poetry when it pops up on oslist from time to time.
It is evocative for me. Thank you.
:- Doug.
On 1/30/21 8:43 AM, paul levy via OSList wrote:
Opening Space
In this place there are only tones.
No bodily function yet movement
From thought that flexes
Non-existent
Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person
(Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space
Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay
for it, so everyone can use it for free.
:- Doug.
On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via
Please count me in as well, thanks! (Pacific time zone)
Doug Marteinson
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> On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:15 PM, Marc C. Trudeau via OSList
> wrote:
>
> As would I. (Thanks!)
>
>
>
>
> Marc Trudeau
> mobile 774-641-8302
>
> LikeBreathin.com
&g
Harold--
If anyone would have an answer it would be you! Thanks for checking into
this for us all, Harold!
:- Doug.
On 10/31/20 12:34 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote:
Hi Doug,
I'm having severe problems with Google mail, and I no longer trust
Google (for many reasons). They ha
Friends--
Sounds like someone spammed the list and that got caught by the filters
these services set up.
Harold, is it possible it goes away on its own?
:- Doug.
On 10/28/20 5:15 AM, Csaba Lengyel via OSList wrote:
Also Gmail does the same thing 😢
Sylwia Myszka-Szyszka via OSList
Friends--
Have you see this?
https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/zooming-our-way-to-transcendent-encounters/
It almost gets to elements of open space; the writer struggles with
openness.
It also has some useful things, like "close something to be open."
See what you can mine here
Friends--
Anybody going to the DC Union Station immediately after WOSONOS? Would
like to share a ride.
Thanks.
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Mark--
It has been my experience that people who want certification of anything
are the ones who want to do the certifying.
OST does have an organization. Several of them around the world.
:- Doug. Germann
On 8/14/19 11:39 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
> Fascinating conversation. This
Michael--
I'll be there.
Doug. Germann
On 09/28/2018 04:28 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList wrote:
> coming to the WOSonOS in Iceland is growing.
> Found 15 folks from 4 countries so far.
> The list shows the names sorted by country.
> There are 8 from Netherlands, 1 fr
Birgitt--
Wonderful, wonderful!
Let's do put some life into the old dead moose!
:- Doug. Germann
On 06/28/2018 05:03 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList wrote:
> Dear friends and colleagues who work with Open Space Technology,
> Ever so long ago (1997) and not so far aw
rview when they want a person on the street who is conservative?
:- Doug. Germann
On 03/01/2018 08:27 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
Don’t try to “sell” them on anything. Just make it straight. What’s it
all about? They will come if they care. Conservatives are human beings too.
ho
Winte
o are
interested in the space that is opened via any participatory meeting or any
other means.”
Thanks for that line, Brigitt!
Cheers ;-)
Doug
Cel 403-284-5144
> On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList
> wrote:
>
> Dear Marai,
> Thank you for your invitat
losing it?)
Cheers ;-)
Doug Marteinson
+1-403-284-5144
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 6:11 AM, Toke Møller via OSList
> wrote:
>
> How to organise self organisation - a learning journey? - A story about 20
> years of Learnings about public engagement in Vorarlberg, Austria by Manf
ace and opening space each partakes of that same image: embracing, and
still opening arms to let her child run free
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On 11/12/2016 11:42 AM, Barry Owen via OSList wrote:
Hi Birgitt,
As I was reading what you have written , my mind went to the initial
invitation and the t
John and Jeff--
Good to hear, for sure! At least some good news from Haiti. What a thing!
:- Doug.
On 10/07/2016 04:11 PM, John Engle wrote:
Doin well thanks.
Busy.
Have also recently been contracted by USAID to facilitate 6 open space
around the country to invite input into USAID's 5
Friends--
Any word on John and how he might be doing? Was he in Haiti during the
hurricane, or in Florida awaiting it?
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Michael--
You're right, not as scary. Think I have seen that traveling cart thing
before. Both are better than putting a computer on an empty chair.
Except for the cost.
I do like you point about what's a space? On the other hand, we still
miss the hugs!
:- Doug. Germann
On
Michael--
Got a picture or link about that robot gizmo? Sounds futuristic and a
little scary!
:- Doug. Germann
On 08/31/2016 04:56 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop
the corporate table, as long as the big boss wants to
hear from the troops.
Cheers,
Doug Marteinson
> On May 2, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList
> wrote:
>
> At wosonos 2008 in San Francisco, we were laughing that Open Space is like a
> Trojan horse -- to deftly b
order for its utilization in organizations to have staying power
beyond the inevitable leadership changes that happen.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Doug Marteinson
+1-403-284-5144
> On Mar 7, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Birgitt Williams via OSList
> wrote:
>
> Dear Rolf, Mark and Leslie,
> Thank
landestine opening of space!
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On 12/25/2015 11:06 AM, Barry Owen via OSList wrote:
These are all great questions, and the only thing I can think as I read
them is that open space is everywhere all the time. The vision that
comes to my mind while reading your messages is a martin
MMP--
Think of a bowl on a potter's wheel--it is open--now it is open
more--soon it will be open even more.
Even though the space is already open, we can always open it more. So
opening space matters!
:- Doug. Germann
On 12/20/2015 10:27 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList wrote:
Oh, no.
A great spirit was he.
:- Doug.
On 10/29/2015 06:58 PM, Catherine Pfaehler via OSList wrote:
Dear Open Space family
Upon my return home tonight, I found a letter in the mail.
„on sunday evening october 18th, florian has sunk back into the secret
of life. he departed decidedly, has
Friends--
Meant to include this link to show the new seating arrangements:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-new-airline-seat-arrangement-20150710-story.html
:- Doug.
On 07/20/2015 11:38 AM, doug via OSList wrote:
Friends--
Did you see the new design for airline seats: the middle seat
will reject it entirely, and some might
come to blows.
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;)
On 10/05/2014 04:08 PM, anne.bennett8ac wrote:
Precisely my point Doug
;-)
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On 10/05/2014 04:08 PM, anne.bennett8ac wrote:
Precisely my point Doug
;-)
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To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Subject: Re: [OSList] Opening space with people with
Aren't those who work in the institutions we call organizations
institutionalized?
:- Doug. Germann
On 10/05/2014 08:47 AM, Anne Bennett via OSList wrote:
Hi Christine
I have worked in nominally 'mental health' areas for many years.
Designing a rang
e conference in Open Space, but my contact
would not push her compatriots further, even though she is a champion
for OST.
Michael, thanks for taking time to carry this conversation deeper.
:- Doug.
On 04/15/2014 02:39 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
Dear Doug,
thanks for the da
ost to the
next virtual days' sessions. No one posted anything. (I think maybe
because of the way people straggled in, not all had heard all the
invitations to post these sessions.) So we went into the standard closing.
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Nice!
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On 04/14/2014 12:32 PM, Harold Shinsato wrote:
One of my fellow design team members for the Montana Agile Culture House
open space conference said about OST:
Open space is where you meet old friends for the first time.
Harold
On 4/12/14 4:38 PM, doug wrote:
Florian
Florian and Alan--
For sure, for sure, old friends!
:- Doug.
On 04/12/2014 06:29 PM, Alan Stewart wrote:
... and through which old and new friends keep connected.
Alan
On 13 April 2014 07:50, fischer florian mailto:florianfisc...@ff-wey.com>> wrote:
... and where some ve
Friends--
Open Space is where new things happen.
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Friends--
The sponsor, the facilitator, does not open space
Nor was it there all along for us to walk into
Each poster, each word, each ear, each heart creates the space open
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Thank you, Tricia!
:- Doug.
On 04/05/2014 09:40 PM, Tricia Chirumbole wrote:
Thank you Doug! Simple, yet not simple at all! I shared at dinner
tonight ;)
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On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 4:56 PM, doug mailto:o
Friends--
Among us wholeness moves
Totally present
Absolutely invisible
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Thanks, Harrison!
Barry, what can you share with us?
:- Doug.
On 04/04/2014 01:51 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:
There may have been several people, but I do remember Barry Owen telling a
similar tale of work he was doing at Vanderbilt.
Harrison
Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Dr
post. Who has done something like that?
I have such an OS next week, 2 hours total, and think this would be good
for that
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Michael--
Lovely!
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On 02/28/2014 04:22 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
A few years ago I sat in a closing circle. It was quiet. Then someone
turned to me saying:"Why dont you do something to energize us?".
Naturally, as facilitator, I did not do anything. And no more than
Is anybody there?
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Derek--
Wow! This post is a keeper! Thank you!
Perhaps we should rename it to Trust (slow). So I did, but slowly.
:- Doug. Germann
On 02/02/2014 04:52 PM, Derek W. Wade wrote:
You all rock. If "learning is remembering something you already knew,"
then I'm delighted w
Harrison--
On 01/10/2014 03:43 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:
But for myself, insanity looks much more rational every day.
Watch out how others might interpret that. Could lead to a troubling
medical diagnosis!
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To post
ike "Issues and
Opportunities for Taking All This Back Home."
Your suggestions?
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Sara--
Ooh! You give me such courage! Thank you very much. I will carry your
message to the people I think would be honored to be sponsors and
inviters for opening this space.
Thank you, Sara!
From (formerly, thankfully, very windy) South Bend, Indiana!
:- Doug. Germann
On 11/16/2013 08
Sorry, I meant Christine! Maybe my own short term slipping?
:- Doug.
On 11/15/2013 10:22 AM, doug wrote:
Suzanne--
What has been the underlying current of the conversation on AI list
about this?
:- Doug.
On 11/15/2013 01:08 AM, Christine Whitney Sanchez wrote:
Doug, Suzanne
Suzanne--
What has been the underlying current of the conversation on AI list
about this?
:- Doug.
On 11/15/2013 01:08 AM, Christine Whitney Sanchez wrote:
Doug, Suzanne, Harrison and all,
I find it interesting that a few weeks before Doug started this
conversation, a
Harrison--
Agreed wholeheartedly!
:- Doug.
On 11/15/2013 09:17 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:
Actually, Doug... if you read between the lines I was pulling everybody's
leg a bit. It is not so much about doing something special or different, if
only because we are all in this dementia thing tog
Suzanne and Harrison--
Thanks Harrison and Suzanne. What I picture from what you have each
written is opening space in an even more open manner. Lisa-style,
without words perhaps, just inviting with eyes and hugs and music or
humming or pictures or dancing with your hands
:- Doug
Suzanne--
Wonderful picture and wonderful note you have played for us. Much to mull.
:- Doug.
On 11/12/2013 06:19 PM, Suzanne Daigle wrote:
Dear Doug and all,
I will briefly offer a personal perspective. My mom had mild dementia.
She died on January 1st of this year, peacefully, surrounded
these populations,
described here:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-04-14/news/ct-news-memory-bridge-20100413_1_dementia-patients-students-elderly
:- Doug.
On 11/08/2013 04:07 PM, Lisa Heft wrote:
Doug, I love the way you wonder.
Michael, I echo your recommendation to have clarity
Friends--
Have been thinking that a population OST could serve in a major good way
is among people who have dementia. How?
Perhaps we have a mixed group of people with dementia living in a
congregate housing setting and teenagers. We gather them in a circle and
do the normal things. The teen
Friends--
Maybe the question you have does not yet have words, or even images. So
butterfly!
:- Doug.
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Friends--
Does Open Space take time or create time? Take possibility or make it?
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Friends--
Let's not open space every time but once experiment with opening place.
Space is empty, cold, infinite, lifeless, dark, alien and void. Place on
the other hand is organic, nurturing, warm, wet, human, intelligent,
alive, connective, filled with nascent meaning.
:-
aught in
the school day, maybe it does not need to be taught. "Teach less, but
teach it better." Sorry if that offends some.
:- Doug. Germann
574/291-0022
http://www.SouthBendElderCARINGlaw.com
PS: This let
Friends--
Take a look at flipped mastery classrooms and tell us just how open is
this space?
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/23/in-flipped-classrooms-a-method-for-mastery/?src=me
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Thanks, Kari!
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On 09/14/2013 06:42 PM, Kári Gunnarsson wrote:
The five things put into the context of The medicen wheel. With some fun
things from my philosophy years.
1. Nous: the purpose, centre of the medicen wheel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nous
2
? Not sure I want to
choose, nor that I can. Seems to me they are there and to remove one is
to take a leg off a frog and ask it to hop.
:- Doug.
On 09/14/2013 04:28 PM, Paul Nunesdea wrote:
Doug,
I really like these two sentences:
So the magic of OS is not magic at a
the existing ways of his family, bringing, if
we have eyes to see, and stillness of heart to wait, the hope of new
strengths and life.
What do you think?
:- Doug.
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each other. Sharing
food helps us share work.
What dish are you bringing?
:- Doug.
On 08/14/2013 10:16 AM, Kári Gunnarsson wrote:
I would like to hear your stories when you or the client / sponsor team
has arrange a potluck from the participants to feed the horde in the
Open Space.
I
Carms--
Great poem!
:- Doug.
On 08/09/2013 09:33 PM, Carmela Ariza wrote:
Holding Things Lightly
by: Carmela Ariza
5:55AM, 10 August 2013
Allow me
To hold things lightly
For when I cling to them
I loose sight
Of the more beautiful
Of the more important
And the more fulfilling
Tricia--
The link leads to a username and password challenge. Any other link?
:- Doug.
On 07/15/2013 09:34 PM, Tricia Chirumbole wrote:
Hello all!
You are warmly invited to participate in an OS hotline skype tomorrow,
*Tuesday, July 16th at 12pm EDT
Kári--
I love it!
Doug.
On 07/11/2013 04:04 AM, Kári Gunnarsson wrote:
I been wondering for a few years if anyone here has ever attempted to
host a moving open space.
If you are booking Iceland for your open space, then perhaps it would
be fun to see some sites and have discussion on the
Lovely, Paul. Poetry.
:- Doug.
On 07/02/2013 05:44 PM, paul levy wrote:
/I watched him. He’d been playing with his gong for over ten minutes,
building up to the moment of power when he’d give it a little whack./
/A little whack of almost-forever./
/The bell would
Funda--
I love the idea of "people are standing still for hours in the middle of
the streets, in the middle of day."
Do trust the people, all the people.
:- Doug.
On 06/18/2013 07:12 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:
I just received this note from Funda in Ist
our
hearts should not keep us from our best examination not of the
invitation but of our heart and purpose and love.
:- Doug.
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and
again nurturing growing things, looking like they are one being.
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ever would have figured it out."
:- Doug. Germann
PS: a pop-up store is a presently vacant store front that the City has arranged
to make available to start ups for a few
months or so; thus the stores "pop up," run for a while, and perhaps gestate a
cont
Oh, no!
:- Doug.
On 04/28/2013 09:32 AM, Esther Ewing wrote:
Oh how very sad. Cheryl and I spoke just a few weeks ago although I
didn't know her very well.
Big Tree Strategies
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On Apr 28, 2013, at 9:23
HO--
Beautiful!
:- Doug.
On 04/27/2013 08:43 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:
When an Open Space really flies time periods are irrelevant, and the length
is a matter of perception and convenience. Under the best of circumstances,
nobody notices, nobody cares -- they just
Glad I was able to contribute to your night, Michael!
:- Doug.
On 04/27/2013 07:02 PM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
Dear Doug,
I love your report.
Actually its reports like yours that make my day, or night.
And bringing good food seems a perfect sign of great manage
d if they were done and
wanted to move into closing early, and they said yes.
A lot of emotion in the closing circle--even passing of tissues!
Another one for the books. Of course it worked.
:- Doug. Germann
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both.
:- Doug.
On 04/26/2013 07:52 PM, Carmela Ariza wrote:
Dear Kerry, Chris, Michael, Doug, Kari
Thanks for all your wonderful insights.
I just quickly viewed the Tao book and will read that one of these days.
I already watched the musical on OST which was lovely. Would be great to
have the
I'll be there. At WOSonOS 2013 in Florida. Will you?
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Chris--
Yup, got that on my Kindle! One of my favorites!
:- Doug.
On 04/26/2013 12:58 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote:
Here is a little book I wrote on this topic a number of years ago:
http://archive.org/details/TheTaoOfHoldingSpace
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:16 AM, doug
about how you practice being present
and invisible, what it feels like to expand time and space? Is it for
you more than picking up coffee cups?
:- Doug.
On 04/26/2013 04:31 AM, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
Dear Carms,
basically, there is no such thing as a "neutral" facilitator.
As fa
Raffi--
Tell us about your birthday gift circle: who did and did not do what?
:- Doug.
On 04/22/2013 08:56 PM, Raffi Aftandelian wrote:
Kerry,
Thanks for sharing those other links to Eisenstein. I'm also enjoying listening
to his earlier book, Ascent of Hum
Spark--
You might search the oslist archives. Login to the website (see last
line below for instructions) then do a search.
I searched Google for interview Harrison Owen and came up with several,
including this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDi0GLTO9ao
:- Doug.
On 04/21/2013 06:29
d. Because they seek disappointment.
:- Doug.
On 04/18/2013 06:17 AM, Blundell, Keith wrote:
Dear OS practitioners
As some of you already know I have been trying to pioneer the use of OS
in our agenda driven, action outcome orientated organisation. I have
had th
Lisa--
Yes, a topic for WOSonOS! Something like When the time is short, what is
better than OS?
:- Doug.
On 04/12/2013 05:22 PM, Lisa Heft wrote:
To me, it is the questions you ask yourself - and your client - when
someone invites you to facilitate - Open Space or
Friends--
I also am looking for room sharers.
:- Doug.
On 04/03/2013 02:27 PM, Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring wrote:
Helo! I am looking for people that are attending the Wosonos
2013 in Florida and would like to save money sharing the room
Mikk--
Wonderfully lovely poem!
:- Doug.
On 11/22/2012 11:57 AM, Mikk Sarv wrote:
I think opening space is also creation of structure.
The structure is like a body, where Spirit can live.
When the body gets old, it dies and Spirit leaves the body.
But Spirit needs the
Evan--
Welcome!
:- Doug. Germann
On 11/05/2012 04:15 PM, Evan Walsh wrote:
Hello OSLIST,
Having read through your wonderful FAQ (thanks for compiling), I noted
that one of the things people appreciate are introductions from new
subscribers. So that is what this is
Cheryl--
It was not the So Far From Home that was free, but the New Science one.
:- Doug.
On 10/27/2012 08:11 AM, Cheryl Honey wrote:
I don't know where to go on the BK website using the link below to download
the free copy of Meg's new Book "So Far
Suzanne, Shay, and Cecelia--
You are most welcome!
:- Doug.
On 10/26/2012 07:10 AM, Cecilia Soriano wrote:
GREAT! Thanks Doug for shared this opportunity!
Nice weekend for all!
Ceci
www.conversacionesparatodos.com
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And isn't there a story in one of your books about people in a company
going through the stages of grief, finally reaching the "Oh, S---! Stage?
:- Doug.
On 06/12/2012 05:03 PM, Harrison Owen wrote:
Eva (and Helge) -- There is always time for Open Space!
ecute the
foobar.exe file, then"
Harold I would presume can give you the more juicy details, but I wanted
to demonstrate to all that I had run into the term before, although that
and $2 will get you a cup of coffee
:- Doug.
On 04/11/2012 04:06 PM, Har
. Membership on the board is an Open Space thing: whoever
comes
And we have had people from all over the world on your board, including,
currently, a Canadian and a Brit.
Join us!
:- Doug.
On 03/14/2012 10:06 AM, Harold Shinsato wrote:
Hi Suzanne,
Thanks for posting
example, we don't want to only concentrate
on our conflicts. So we would not for instance create an invitation that
says "Come settle your differences once and for all," but we might say
"What are the Issues and Opportunities around X?"
:- Doug.
a
company where sales people don't talk with engineers who won't talk with
manufacturing
:- Doug.
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 12:32 +0530, Bernhard Weber wrote:
> Doug,
>
> I know people who have or have no trust in other people, in organizations, i
Artur--
Thanks! Agreed!
And this conversation has me wondering, Would it be useful (for our
clients and our world) to actually seek out settings of high distrust?
Useful for what?
:- Doug.
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 08:43 -0800, Artur Silva wrote:
> Doug,
>
Harrison--
That too is juicy: finding trust in their fellows and themselves
Upon that I will contemplate
:- Doug.
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 11:11 -0500, Harrison Owen wrote:
> Doug -- I think it is fair to say that if the only people invited to an Open
>
d the other way around: Should we seek to bring into the space only
people who trust each other?
:- Doug.
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 08:10 -0500, Harrison Owen wrote:
> Doug -- "Mistrust"??? I am not quite sure what you are driving at... People
> are peo
Agnetta--
A human condition...about which to talk again and again. What do you say
when the issue comes up with the sponsor in planning for the OST?
:- Doug.
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 10:19 +0100, Agneta Setterwall wrote:
> I do not trust people if they say there is
.
Comments on distrust among the participants as a good thing?
:- Doug.
On 02/23/2012 05:27 PM, Kerry Napuk wrote:
Hi Harrison
Enjoyed your analogy of teaching someone to fish in lieu of handing them
a fish. It certainly is applicable to the failures of traditional
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