G'day Harrison
I returned from Easter break this bright Autumn morning to this!!!
"The real issue for me is not only the separation of passion and
responsibility, but also the assignment of responsibility in an arbitrary
fashion. The way things are done in the "standard" bureaucratic hierarchy;
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Dear Chris's et al,
One of the things I have observed that the words Hierarchy" and
"Bureaucracy" hove gotten loaded with a lot of negativity and bad
baggage, one way or another.
That's perhaps rather unfortunate, even though it is true and deserved,
as I see it.
Because both concepts have a great
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ah, brian, i'll add a few of your fellow aussies into this mix... i
have always found fred and merrelyn e
ah, brian, i'll add a few of your fellow aussies into this mix... i
have always found fred and merrelyn emery's definition of "bureaucratic
hierarchy" most helpful. bh, they say is characterized by
"responsibility for the work (the taking care of things) resting or
being vested one or more level
chris macrae wrote:
Does this sort of answer your question?
Oh yes...more than answers it...
Chi Meegwetch,
Chris
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Chris, Chris, Nicolai...
Well, you've flushed out this lurker anyway - although I like Lisa's(?)
'witness' better.
In terms of measurement and quantifiable vs. qualifiable(?), much work has been
happening here in Northern Ireland in recent times to find better ways for
funders of community dev
is sort of answer your question?
Chris Macrae
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That's an awesome link Julie...thanks a lot. I have a huge list of
people that will be keen to see this work.
Chris
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`"...immediately privileges the
quantifiable over the qualifiable"- Indeed "tricky"!
Hi,
I always supposed it to be the other way round. To have a look on what I
want to qualify and then searching for the right scale for what I should
quantify..so, my focus implies also a "hierarchy of results, I'
Chris Corrigan wrote
Measurement uber alles is tricky because it immediately privileges the
quantifiable over the qualifiable. And certainly, we need to measure
things, but I'm leering of forcing qualitative experiences into
measurement-friendly formats. By necessity it strips what is most
import
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chris macrae wrote:
Chris Macrae
For 20 years researching social and organisational identities I was
weary about measuring organisational relationships, but then the
mathematician in me woke up. Measurements don't just determine wh
chris macrae wrote:
Chris- my view would be that its always possible that some organisations
will get stuff done in spite of hierarchy's excesses
Beyond possible: I think it happens ALOT. In really rigid hierarchies,
like bureaucracies, my experience is that most stuff happens in spite of
the
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Subject: Re: Hierarchies, decision making and a real-life example
Wonder if anyone could help me with NOT reinventing the wheel on an extended
Well nature says that as we all get more connected (and the technology
of the net is I imagine unstoppable) then open boundary knowledge is
vital
Open Boundaries are how you cooperate as well as keep your own
contextual/identifying gravity (which some would call your competitive
focus) - you can w
Ashley Cooper wrote:
d and fluid.
boundaries are especially effective if they are always invited to dissolve
when they have outlived their usefulness.
This is kind of a natural accountability, the
accountability of consent. Very powerful stuff. I think we see it
happen in Open Space a lot,
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> chris macrae wrote:
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> > I have decided I want to survey when is top-down organisational
> > hierarchy useful (and not useful) as
> >
> > well as how can hierarchy interact
Chris- my view would be that its always possible that some organisations
will get stuff done in spite of hierarchy's excesses
But I don't see why understanding of organisations hasn't got beyond
recognising that hierarchy is only one of several systems that a
thriving people-investing organisation
chris macrae wrote:
I have decided I want to survey when is top-down organisational
hierarchy useful (and not useful) as
well as how can hierarchy interact with useful and not useful impacts
on self-organisation, co-organisation, inter-organisation (as where 2 or
more organsiations truly partn
riday, April 02, 2004 12:03 PM
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Ah, Michael, you caught me. I used the broad term (CAS) when really meaning
that elusive subset sometimes called the conscious self-organizing system,
sometimes named as an
Wonder if anyone could help me with NOT reinventing the wheel on an
extended question about hierarchies (albeit not a pure open space
question)
I have decided I want to survey when is top-down organisational
hierarchy useful (and not useful) as
well as how can hierarchy interact with useful and n
ent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:16 PM
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Hello all of you wonderful people out there - and thank you for this list and
all of your contributions!!!
Peggy - So many wise words and thoughts and an analyses of what is going on
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I am so tickled
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> Dear Peggy,
> and here I thought all systems and organizations (traditional or
> whatever) are complex adaptive systems?
> Also, I had the hunch from my long life in a "traditiona
Dear Peggy,
and here I thought all systems and organizations (traditional or
whatever) are complex adaptive systems?
Also, I had the hunch from my long life in a "traditional"
organization (and that enforces my question on all systems being CAS)
that things there often appeared to happen regardless
I am so tickled! I have been away from the list for a month and as a result
read about 200 messages in one sitting. Perhaps because of this concentration,
I noticed something that excites me.
The thread on hierachy was moving into a discussion of the occurence of
hierarchies in nature. The f
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