Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

2019-08-19 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
Whenever I want to know if my work of Hosting an Open Space Technology meeting was useful, I give the participants a form that sinplay says “complete the following sentence. As a result of this meeting...” The only people who should be judging the efficacy of an OST meeting are the people who c

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2019-08-19 Thread R Chaffe via OSList
Chris, I look forward to Mark’s reply to your question. It seems to me that that the question mixes up the who and the what. Mark uses a few examples including a mechanic, the first question I have is what experience the trade person has my second is an example of their work. OST is at one le

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2019-08-20 Thread Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
Dear all, my assumption regarding "organisation" is that they are the work of the devil. They are omnipresent. There is practically nothing that can do without an "organisation". Government, churches, mafia, health care, schools, prisons, military, restaurants, foundations, associations, unive

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2019-08-20 Thread Kári Gunnarsson via OSList
Sure, no problem at all It's always good to have a few more flowers blooming, then there is more food for the bees. And we need the bees. I also think any activity can help reach out and engaging new people. I would be happy to help set it up. But it will only be one more flower in the grand ope

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2019-08-20 Thread paul levy via OSList
Twenty years ago when I needed to earn some money fast I remember considering offering a day's training in OST. I quickly decided against. In fact the decision made itself. For me, offering training in OST is like taking a day to train someone in how to drink fresh water. Regards Paul Levy On

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2019-08-20 Thread Royle, Karl via OSList
You might look at examples from the past... the anarchists at the start of the Spanish civil war spring to mind Sent by iPhone Karl Royle Head of Enterprise and Commercial Development Faculty of Education Health and Wellbeing University of Wolverhampton 01902323006 07815416698 @karlroyle. On T

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2019-08-20 Thread Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
Dear Mark, at the end of your note your say: "...formalize them (standards, ethics, code of conduct) and help us get organized and stay organized until we get the job done." How would you describe the "job" to get done? Cheers mmp Am 19.08.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList: 1st of

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2019-08-20 Thread Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
Dear Karl, is "anarchistic" something that enters your mind when looking at "organisation"? Looking for "anarchistic organisation" wikipedia redirected me to "Anarchism". The first sentence there goes like this: "Anarchism is an anti-authoritarian political philosophy[1] that rejects hiera

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2019-08-20 Thread Royle, Karl via OSList
Dear Michael, That's about the size of it. Although perhaps we need to consider the usefulness of a binary position. Sic devil/god ( especially where anarchism - which really means self organisation I guess rather than the usual interpretation that we are given of disorder and chaos. If you ar

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2019-08-20 Thread R Chaffe via OSList
Paul You say “For me, offering training in OST is like taking a day to train someone in how to drink fresh water.” Right now millions of dollars are being spent doing just that “teaching people to drink fresh water” because in the western world we have lost our way and cannot even feed ourselve

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2019-08-20 Thread paul levy via OSList
I thought that might be a response. However I believe the original simple metaphor remains tellingly and elusively true for teaching OST. It's always good to draw on fairy tales and apply them to your life. It's rarely good to impose current context onto fairy tales. Thought you might wish to tak

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2019-08-20 Thread Barry Owen via OSList
I've been mulling this over for months now. Have come to what I think is a conclusion that blaming the mayhem on "Organisations" is akin to "shooting the messenger" . . . making it a martyr. After all, any time there's more than one person present, it's essentially the birth of an "organisation". I

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2019-08-20 Thread Tony Budak via OSList
From Devin Balkind: https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Spokes_Council_Model "Occupy Sandy, which took place about a year after Occupy Wall Street, worked a bit differently. We recognized the flaw in a council of affinity groups and instead organized a spokes council around projects. Project member

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2019-08-20 Thread Tony Budak via OSList
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Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

2019-08-20 Thread Royle, Karl via OSList
Technology email list Date: Tuesday, 20 August 2019 at 16:47 To: "oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" Cc: Tony Budak Subject: Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Und

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2019-08-20 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
uesday, 20 August 2019 at 16:47 > *To: *"oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" > *Cc: *Tony Budak > *Subject: *Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about > Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association > for Peace and Human Understanding...?

Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

2019-08-20 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
check out Dee Hock, "Chaordic Organizations." Harrison (and -- of course -- also your father.) -Original Message- From: Barry Owen via OSList To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Cc: Barry Owen ; Michael M Pannwitz Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2019 11:10 am Subject: Re: [

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2019-08-21 Thread Paul Nunesdea via OSList
inal Message----- > From: Barry Owen via OSList > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Cc: Barry Owen ; Michael M Pannwitz > > Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2019 11:10 am > Subject: Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about > Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATI

Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

2019-08-21 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
(and -- of course -- also your father.) -Original Message- From: Barry Owen via OSList To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Cc: Barry Owen ; Michael M Pannwitz Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2019 11:10 am Subject: Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How abo

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2019-08-21 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
list > Cc: Harrison Owen > Subject: Re: [OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about > Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association > for Peace and Human Understanding...? > > Greetings HO, I have been away from this list except when something