[OSList] Examples of successful OS-outcomes where the interests and needs of the participants were very contrary

2019-12-14 Thread Catherine Pfaehler via OSList
interesting preparation meeting where the question came up whether there are examples of successful OS-outcomes in a context of very contrarious interests and needs of the people concerned. I would be more than happy to hear / read some of your stories. Gratefully yours, Catherine Catherine Pfaehler

[OSList] Conversation as fractal (Was Re: energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes)

2011-11-02 Thread Peggy Holman
Dear Reinhard, I am picking up on an old thread as I begin to look at a backlog of email. I just couldn't let a particular assumption go by without comment. First, I hope that you are fully recovered by now from your time in the hospital in August. Next, I LOVE your visual work! It adds so

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-15 Thread Carina Lo Ré
field of the facilitator and its influence on OST >outcomes >Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPadOp Aug 4, 2011 om 8:42 PM heeft "Birgitt Williams" > het volgende geschreven:> Ah John...a good >discussion is good for the soul. Thank you for the info on> self organizing >systems. I

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-15 Thread Tova
l Message- > From: John Watkins [mailto:johnw...@mac.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:01 PM > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on > OST outcomes > > Birgitt, > > Self org

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-14 Thread Harrison Owen
list Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes Dear OS-friends, I have been in hospital for some days, so my response comes a little late. But some of you won't like it earlier or later, and for me it stays valid also after time.

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-13 Thread Birgitt Williams
: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:40 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes Dear OS-friends, I have been in hospital for some days, so my response comes a little late. But some of you won't li

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-13 Thread VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE
Dear OS-friends,I have been in hospital for some days, so my response comes a little late. But some of you won't like it earlier or later, and for me it stays valid also after time.Since Birgitt showed up and opened the dialogue with Harrison, I wanted to jump into the ring as well.I fully support

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-11 Thread Birgitt Williams
Dear friends and colleagues, When I post to a list, I imagine I am in an OST meeting, posting something I am passionate about, stating why I am passionate about it, and then waiting, watching, wondering what will show up in the conversation. And then it is clear that the topic is done.for now.and

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-07 Thread Birgitt Williams
power, and from my perspective the energy field that you would bring into the session would lend itself to the outcomes. And just for fun on a beautiful Sunday, I share one of the ways that I noticed a difference in energy field in an OST meeting. Instead of having a sign saying 'be

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-06 Thread Esther Ewing
gust-06-11 12:24 PM To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes Warm greetings to you all, whether you are invisible or not J, Dearest Elisabeth.I wish to assure you that no matter what you

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-06 Thread Birgitt Williams
what the five senses usually measure. From my perspective, when this is all in place, the opportunity for the people in the OST meeting to do extraordinary things increases as does what is possible as outcomes from the meeting. We recently had a leadership team, all of whom worked with this energy

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-05 Thread Barry Owen
tional Consultancy > Author, The Genuine Contact Way > 919-522-7750 > > Co-Owner of the Genuine Contact™ Program > Genuine Contact Way blog > Become a fan of the Genuine Contact Way > Follow me > > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael M Pannwitz [mai

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence onOST outcomes

2011-08-05 Thread Harrison Owen
half Of elitepp...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:42 AM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence onOST outcomes Reading all these comments I decided to share something that I remembered from a space in my hea

[OSList] re energy field of the facilitator and its influence onOST outcomes

2011-08-05 Thread bill aal
ush. Here is to living into open space -Original Message- From: elitepp...@gmail.com [mailto:elitepp...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:42 AM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence onOST outcom

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence onOST outcomes

2011-08-05 Thread elitepperk
rgitt Williams" Sender: oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.orgDate: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 17:54:13 To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' Reply-To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-04 Thread Spark.osk
but beyond? So many questions Warmly, Birgitt -Original Message- From: John Watkins [mailto:johnw...@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:01 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outco

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-04 Thread Birgitt Williams
Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:01 PM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes Birgitt, Self organizing systems have two major capacities that are ubiquitous in the universe: 1) pattern emergence, or the u

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-04 Thread Birgitt Williams
wondering about is not so much a single OST meeting and its outcomes and definitely doing as little doing as possible. I am wondering about the state of being, the state of being of the facilitator, the relationship between that state of being and the single OST meeting's results, and whether the

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-04 Thread David Osborne
penspacetech.org > [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Birgitt Williams > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:40 PM > To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > Subject: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST > outcomes > > Warm greet

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-04 Thread John Watkins
of the Genuine Contact Way > Follow me > > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael M Pannwitz [mailto:mmpa...@boscop.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 4:36 AM > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > Subject: Re: [OSList] energy field of the faci

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-04 Thread Birgitt Williams
tator and its influence on OST outcomes Dear Birgitt, from where I stand, space always is. So no need to open it. Often, however, the space is not very large and sometimes it is shrunk to a mere dot in the universe. And then there is the question, what on earth the space is for, no matter how hu

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-04 Thread Harrison Owen
istinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org From: oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Birgitt Williams Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:40 PM To: oslist@lists.openspac

Re: [OSList] energy field...... outcomes

2011-08-04 Thread Michael Herman
th our sponsors. We recognize that in both our observer role and in our > role as energy field generators, we influence the meeting and the outcomes > of the meeting. > ** ** > Blessings to all, > Birgitt > ** ** > ** ** > > Dear Birgitt, the blessings surely

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-04 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
n absent from this list for some time and am delighted to be connected now, at least for a while, taking advantage of some quiet time over the summer to connect with people and ideas. A topic that I wish to address is about the outcomes of an OST meeting in relation to the energy field of the facili

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-03 Thread Amanda Bucklow
> connected now, at least for a while, taking advantage of some quiet time over > the summer to connect with people and ideas. > > A topic that I wish to address is about the outcomes of an OST meeting in > relation to the energy field of the facilitator. From my perspec

Re: [OSList] energy field...... outcomes

2011-08-03 Thread fischer florian
energy field generators, we influence the meeting and the outcomes of the meeting. Blessings to all, Birgitt Dear Birgitt, the blessings surely are working. I would like to put my two sense into our space, about „... when a meeting goes well ...“ I wonder wether there are useful criteria about

Re: [OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-02 Thread Toke Paludan Møller
ed now, at least for a while, taking advantage of some quiet time over > the summer to connect with people and ideas. > > > > A topic that I wish to address is about the outcomes of an OST meeting in > relation to the energy field of the facilitator. From my perspective and >

[OSList] energy field of the facilitator and its influence on OST outcomes

2011-08-02 Thread Birgitt Williams
Warm greetings! I have been absent from this list for some time and am delighted to be connected now, at least for a while, taking advantage of some quiet time over the summer to connect with people and ideas. A topic that I wish to address is about the outcomes of an OST meeting in relation

Invitation from Barbara Bunker re OS outcomes

2010-05-07 Thread Barbara Bunker
reports of completed consultations where you know something about what happened after the OS is overparticularly what outcomes occurred and have been documented AND more informally what is known about any transfer of practices back into the daily working life of the system. Since I have been on

AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-07-06 Thread Catherine Pfaehler
What great thoughts and feelings. Thank you all. Speaking of sustainable outcomes, it just occurred to me that we did an OS event at our own company, www.wohngeist.ch <http://www.wohngeist.ch/> , in 2007 (Pia and Peter Glanzmann were our facilitators then), for a day, exploring the fut

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-07-02 Thread Reinhard Kuchenmueller
Title: Re: [OSLIST] AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes? Dear friends in open space, Serge Kahili King, Shaman in Hawaii, said once: “The difference between a shaman and a spiritual master is like follows: the spiritual master works for the enlightenment of his people, and if inbetween

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-07-02 Thread Suzanne Daigle
com > > OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > > > > > -- > > *From:* OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne > Daigle > *

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-07-02 Thread Larry Peterson
...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: July 2, 2009 8:53 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: [OSLIST] AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes? Suzanne – Previously you asked an interesting question, “How then do we blend traditional and self-organizing?” It occurs

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-07-02 Thread Harrison Owen
ves/oslist.html> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html _ From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Suzanne Daigle Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:32 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable ou

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-07-01 Thread Suzanne Daigle
ppt-powerpoint/ >> * >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Harrison Owen >> wrote: >> >> Thanks Michael -- I think J >>> >>> >>> >>> Harrison >>> >>> >>> >>> Harrison Owen >&g

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-07-01 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
tserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes? Liebe Catherine, ich hab zu Deiner Frage schon mal in dieser Liste auf Englisch geschrieben, aber hier kommts nochmal auf deutsch (ich fänds super, wenns auch noch jemand, der es auf französisch und italienisch

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-07-01 Thread Harrison Owen
get out of control. This became known as doing a “little bit” of Open Space. In the worst of circumstances it was the same old meeting (closely controlled, highly facilitated, with detailed schedules, and list of guaranteed outcomes) – and with the magic words, “Open Space” whispered quietly at the

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2009-07-01 Thread Lucy Garrick - NorthShore Group
, unsubscribe, change your options http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael M Pannwitz Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:46 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: AW: How can

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-07-01 Thread Suzanne Daigle
; > > -Original Message- > From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael > M Pannwitz > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:46 AM > To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > Subject: Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes? > > > > Liebe

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-30 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
otocols themselves. Some might even discover they have a talent they weren't aware of! And my original question remains open - what do others do to foster sustainable outcomes? Heartfully, C. Catherine Pfaehler Senn lic.oec.HSG Open Space Begleitung St. Alban-Vorstadt 15 CH - 4052 Basel +4

AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-30 Thread Catherine Pfaehler
talent they weren't aware of! And my original question remains open - what do others do to foster sustainable outcomes? Heartfully, C.   Catherine Pfaehler Senn lic.oec.HSG Open Space Begleitung St. Alban-Vorstadt 15 CH - 4052 Basel +41-(0)76 - 488 15 46 c.pfaeh...@open-space-begleitu

AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-30 Thread Catherine Pfaehler
Dear Kaliya, it IS a new topic. Reinhard said that often, our discussions here are with the back to our clients, defending our method, not giving enough emphasis on sustainable results. He promotes visual documentation. And there must be other ways of fostering sustainable outcomes better. I

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-30 Thread Harrison Owen
/archives/oslist.html -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Michael M Pannwitz Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:46 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes? Liebe Catherine, ich

Re: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-28 Thread Kaliya *
WAIT! you lost me on this thread - Why? beacuse you changed the subject line... all I see is "Dear Reinhard, You have a very interesting point..." I am like WHAT POINT??? I don't see Reinhard's comments because they are not in this thread - my e-mail program and many many other people's help t

Re: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-28 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
ot;the rest of the whole thread" reminded me that I had really intended to link what I had to say to the theme: "How can we foster sustainable outcomes?" In fact I think the heart and soul of "sustainable outcomes" is when they (the outcomes) emerge from the heart and soul of the p

Re: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-28 Thread Phelim
nd in the "trainings" we ran in those days... Harrison Owen wrote: Lenore - Thanks for the kind words. And your mention of "the rest of the whole thread" reminded me that I had really intended to link what I had to say to the theme: "How can we foster sustainable o

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-28 Thread Peggy Holman
ome typed short version. Our everage participant does rarely read the outcomes of other groups. The facilitator made himself invisible and is of little help. So his horizon is built from 10 percent of the whole meeting. He goes home with a beautiful experience of team building and self organis

Re: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-28 Thread Harrison Owen
Lenore - Thanks for the kind words. And your mention of "the rest of the whole thread" reminded me that I had really intended to link what I had to say to the theme: "How can we foster sustainable outcomes?" In fact I think the heart and soul of "sustainable outcomes&qu

Re: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-28 Thread Lenore Mewton
e involved in the most creative play that I could have NEVER provided! (Ah, I wish this wise self would visit more often!). Original Message - From: Harrison Owen To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [OSLIST] How can we foster sus

Re: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-28 Thread Harrison Owen
image.com OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Raffi Aftandelian Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:09 AM To: osl...@listserv.b

AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-28 Thread Raffi Aftandelian
Reinhard thanks much for this thread. The idea of the participants themselves visually harvesting the essence of what has emerged sounds really exciting. From the standpoint of designing such DST (Doodle Space Technology) events, where does the ancient wisdom of KISS (Keep it Simple, Senorita) an

Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-27 Thread douglas germann
worst > possible way, in handwriting, and some typed short version. Our > everage participant does rarely read the outcomes of other groups. The > facilitator made himself invisible and is of little help. So his > horizon is built from 10 percent of the whole meeting. He goes ho

AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-27 Thread Reinhard Kuchenmueller
other groups, their themes, their surprising developments, their exitement, their outcome, does not exist for him. All the groups make some protocols, but in the worst possible way, in handwriting, and some typed short version. Our everage participant does rarely read the outcomes of other groups

How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

2009-06-25 Thread Catherine Pfaehler
Dear Reinhard You have a very interesting point there. I have often wondered how the sustainable implementation of visible results can be fostered "better" by me, as in the post-OS-meeting, I often find my clients to focus on different things than what I would have expected. Then, again, on the o

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST... and mother list

2003-12-08 Thread Artur Ferreira da Silva
At 11:28 08-12-2003 -0600, you wrote: look out everyone, it's another portuguese holiday and artur is on the loose and online! I think the last time must have been just one year ago ;-) Thanks for the link. Printing just now. Or new...? Artur hello artur, here is the link to a preview pag

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST... and mother list

2003-12-08 Thread Artur Ferreira da Silva
Friends I don't have the time these days to read all the posts and much less to write in English. But today is holliday in Portugal and I red all the posts from this thread and the interconnect "mother list" and I was ver impressed. And for some reason, like Michael Herman, I made a connection wi

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST... and mother list

2003-12-08 Thread Michael Herman
look out everyone, it's another portuguese holiday and artur is on the loose and online!hello artur, here is the link to a preview page, from where the whole can be downloaded. having spent a good chunk of time weaving all that together, i wouldn't wish the same on anyone! but i still like

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-08 Thread Michael Herman
friends and friends, just catching up with all of this. wonderful! and remembering that the user's non-guide was compiled from what we did two years ago, nov/dec and half of jan. noticing that things have over the last year gotten pretty thin in spots. seems we even had a few postings of "tap

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-05 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
In a message dated 12/2/03 10:29:55 PM, ch...@chriscorrigan.com writes: << Dissonance, support, resolution. Hmmm... >> Chris-- I love to hear the process of a chord resolving. . .someone practicing a piece of music. . . .the similar shift in the chord of a good dialogue. I'm appreciating this

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-04 Thread Harrison Owen
Chris Wrote: As groups working in Open Space, we get to try out a new story, and this is largely the process benefit of the one-off or event-based OST meeting. I realize now that I usually close these meetings by inviting people to notice how the quality of the room has changed, how relationshi

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-04 Thread Mike Copeland
for spirit, and the difference is light years. A few thoughts on a beautiful spring morning from Kawatiri, New Zealand Mike Copeland -Original Message- From: Harrison Owen [mailto:hho...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2003 2:33 a.m. To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject:

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-04 Thread averbuch
Chris and all You wrote: Sometimes the best way to resolve dissonance is to add more voices. This is SO true! ( and took me very long to realize in life) It was a treasure I am still trying to figure out and a pleasure I still can feel to meet after so many year on the list. Deeply recomended

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-03 Thread Harrison Owen
: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST Dear Harrison and others, Thanks for your message on stories, paradigms and myths. Last evening we found ourselves at an Anne Murray concert in Asheville North Carolina. We had not known that we were especially fans of hers, we went because friends suggested

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-03 Thread Harrison Owen
ate.edu Subject: Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST You know Harrison is getting excited when he starts writing in red ink and calling me "Christ!!" I've been pondering Judi and Lisa's statements about loving the event-based OST even though we know it could be better, and

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-03 Thread Meg Salter
ed. It sure isn't up to us to control it!! Meg Salter MegaSpace Consulting (416) 486-6660 m...@megsalter.com - Original Message - From: Chris Corrigan To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: Re: outcomes and one-off OST

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-03 Thread Peter or Esther
Dear Harrison and others, Thanks for your message on stories, paradigms and myths. Last evening we found ourselves at an Anne Murray concert in Asheville North Carolina. We had not known that we were especially fans of hers, we went because friends suggested it. It was a rare and enlightening ex

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-03 Thread Ashley Cooper
mmm...... delicious discussion! i'll turn down an ally for a moment and follow lisa's invitation to indulge my earlier inquiry! i know that this list and community has played and plays a very important role for many people at various points in their and its life. it is so wonderful hearing

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-03 Thread Chris Corrigan
GAN Bowen Island, BC, Canada http://www.chriscorrigan.com ch...@chriscorrigan.com (604) 947-9236 -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:33 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: outc

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-03 Thread Harrison Owen
Christ Wrote: I think we are in a time when our stories about who we are and where we have come from are changing and paradigms are coming to rub against each other in deep ways. OST is a process predicated on the fact that all of us can have a hand in creating the new world. It is nearly the v

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-02 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Chris-- Thanks for the stories, and the reminder of what different worlds are created by different stories. I think this is a time--maybe always has been--for listening to each others' stories. Maybe in a circle. Joelle * * == osl...@list

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-02 Thread Chris Corrigan
> Chris-- > > Thanks for the stories, and the reminder of what different worlds are > created > by different stories. I think this is a time--maybe always has been--for > listening to each others' stories. Maybe in a circle. > > Joelle I think so too Joelle, and I appreciate Judi bringing forwar

AW: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-02 Thread Catherine Pfaehler
68 41 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]Im Auftrag von Chris Corrigan Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2003 19:18 An: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Betreff: Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST I agree with you Harrison, and echo Thomas's

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-02 Thread Judi
Chris --thank you for the generous gift of those stories. Thomas King is a favorite of mine as well. Chris wrote: We can choose in those situations > to look for the answer from above, from some omnipotent deity that will > set things right again, or we can accept the invitation of the animals: >

SV: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-02 Thread Thomas Herrmann
s Herrmann] -Ursprungligt meddelande- Fran: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]For Lisa Skickat: den 2 december 2003 02:00 Till: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Amne: Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST Hello, Chris, Reinhard, Mike, Ashley and others - Okay, I thought

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-02 Thread Chris Corrigan
le results of OST (bigger than one thinks) and the desired "hard" outcomes of the clients (which are less significant than one might think) are captured up in the dissonance between these stories. So to take a COMPLETELY different tack with this thread, allow me to share an extended qu

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-02 Thread Harrison Owen
Lisa Wrote: Outcomes and One-Off (single, isolated) OSTs: Seems to me this raises the age-old issue known to facilitators everywhere - how do I measure success? And I feel that our measuring tools / need for measurement is what makes me feel we are limiting ourselves and our understanding of

Re: outcomes and one-off OSTs and OSLIST

2003-12-01 Thread Lisa
Hello, Chris, Reinhard, Mike, Ashley and others - Okay, I thought I'd just jumble all the topics together. Shows you I've got sort of a collage-mind working today (serious headcold). Outcomes and One-Off (single, isolated) OSTs: Seems to me this raises the age-old issue known to fa

AW: outcomes

2003-12-01 Thread Catherine Pfaehler
Dear Kerry Very well said. Exactly. Whatever happens, is the only thing that could have happened! And subtle results and things that take time are often not seen by those who are looking too hard for instant, tangible results. Thank you! Catherine Catherine Pfaehler Kellersriedweg 8 CH - 2503 Bi

AW: outcomes

2003-12-01 Thread Visuelle Protokolle
This gets the group working on the outcomes that they really want to see, be it change, project initiation or group forming. The written (and drawn) records are only a representation of a slice in time. Useful to refer to perhaps, but relatively unimportant as time goes on when compared to the resu

AW: outcomes

2003-12-01 Thread Visuelle Protokolle
organization or community catches on to what's happening. This is certainly not to say that I am in the business of determining outcomes. It's more like shining a light on the really powerful potential outcomes, like organizational and personal transformation and ensuring that the leadersh

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2003-12-01 Thread Mike Copeland
t could have. If open space is singing you as much as it has me, a one off meeting will not suffice. Get out out of the frying pan and into the fire! All the best Mike Copeland -Original Message- From: chris macrae [mailto:wcbn...@easynet.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 29 November 2003 12:44 a.m.

dead moose? (was AW: outcomes)

2003-12-01 Thread Ashley Cooper
> I was thinking of leaving this list serve, because since months I got bored > more and more hi all, i'm just curious, is there a dead moose hanging out on this list serve? any insights? it seems to me that Reinhard is not alone in his feelings. of course, i could be way off...but i had to ask.

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2003-12-01 Thread Chris Corrigan
space open for action if you can, either through convergence or non-convergence methods. This gets the group working on the outcomes that they really want to see, be it change, project initiation or group forming. The written (and drawn) records are only a representation of a slice in time. Usef

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2003-12-01 Thread Chris Corrigan
pening. This is certainly not to say that I am in the business of determining outcomes. It's more like shining a light on the really powerful potential outcomes, like organizational and personal transformation and ensuring that the leadership is prepared to support these should they aris

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2003-11-29 Thread chris macrae
We invite people to participate in this group inquiry relating to schools of meta-disciplinary excellence, and humanly preferred futures of the post-industrial age, and other minor issues of humanitarian good faith Who do you feel your discipline's most brilliant person of the 20th C and did they

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2003-11-28 Thread kerry napuk
be for the benefit of everyone. 4. If there appear to be no tangible outcomes implemented after an event, who knows what subtle changes have occured in mindsets and attitudes to involve others to reach consensus through participation? Large groups do impact on organisational culture, but changing cultur

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2003-11-28 Thread chris macrae
You know how one cynic chains up with another! Any extra thoughts on how to rebuff (perhaps the wrong word) this one (it seems to me quite a betrayal of self-organisation to imply that people are being led up a specialist facilitation path). Chris Macrae Mike Chitty, Realise Development writes: "

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2003-11-28 Thread Harrison Owen
-Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of chris macrae Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 6:44 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: outcomes You know how one cynic chains up with another! Any extra thoughts on how to rebuff (perhaps

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2003-11-26 Thread chris macrae
u] On Behalf Of Christine Whitney Sanchez Sent: 26 November 2003 17:33 To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: outcomes Wow, Chris. I think you've really nailed it. I couldn't agree with you more that self-organization is one of today's primary life skills. Thanks! Peace, Christ

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2003-11-26 Thread chris macrae
Thanks to everyone for the great outcomes Served a double use, beyond the original cynic I posted them up at an agenda session in a wonderful city regeneration OS in London I was a participant at (hosted by Roma Iskander and Lin Grist, and sponsored by banks and UK treasury

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2003-11-26 Thread Christine Whitney Sanchez
November 26, 2003 12:12 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: outcomes I was wondering whether we are also saying something like this. One or two swipes at the establishment probably need editing out, but I'm not sure which. "Open Space is designed to be the simplest self

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2003-11-26 Thread chris macrae
r 2003 09:38 To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: outcomes Hi Chris: When confronted with sponsors about "results" we can expect from Open Space I am careful to point out that "results" will arise if the invitation and the event is supported appropriately and well by the sp

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2003-11-25 Thread florian fischer
Am 24.11.2003 10:38 Uhr schrieb "Chris Corrigan" unter : > Hi Chris: > > I'll take a different tack on this question. I agree deeply, chris florian * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscr

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2003-11-24 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Well said, Chris! Joelle * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archive

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2003-11-24 Thread Julie Denny
I worked with the County-wide Emergency Response (Fire Fighters and Emergency Medical Technicians) organization. They were faced with two problems: 1) reduced County-wide budgets and 2) reduced pool of volunteers. The OS session identified several ways they could pool resources in order to meet the

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2003-11-24 Thread Julie Denny
I worked with the County-wide Emergency Response (Fire Fighters and Emergency Medical Technicians) organization. They were faced with two problems: 1) reduced County-wide budgets and 2) reduced pool of volunteers. The OS session identified several ways they could pool resources in order to meet the

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2003-11-24 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Chris-- To the great resources that Michael and Harrison mentioned, I can add some personal examples: An elementary school was having difficulty implementing a restructuring mandated by the state. An Open Space provided the opportunity to talk about fears and concerns, and search for solutions.

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2003-11-24 Thread Chris Corrigan
Hi Chris: I'll take a different tack on this question. I would start by asking my inquisitor to explain himself a little more clearly, like for example, give me an example of ANY process that has led directly from A to B to C to the outcomes he describes. After I know what he means by &quo

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2003-11-23 Thread chris macrae
I was asked by a cynic what's the greatest outcome an Open Space has directly led to ... I wouldn't mind having some verbatims the next time I come across one of those of his ilk Sincerely, Chris Macrae In fact this how he worded his question: " Can anyone point me to Open Space projects where som

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