Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Debbie Slater
It is well known that babies 'wee' in utero - so why not 'the other'? Debbie Anne Clarke wrote:   - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] I

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk and vitamin D supplements

2003-05-29 Thread Debbie Slater
A recent piece on TV here in Oz suggested that many Australian women are now Vit D deficient for the same reason . Judy Chapman wrote: Saw a documentary some time ago on the increased Vit D deficiency in the women of groups who cover completely like many Muslims do. One of the point

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Jan Robinson
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting.. Thanks for sharing this Mary I had a homebirth baby last week who looked like she had poo’d herself silly in utero. When the membranes ruptured heaps of old meconium (of the pea soup variety) came pouring out so I asked the mother had she had an upset tum

Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula in Melbourne (Debbie)

2003-05-29 Thread LesiaKyriakou
Sorry Debbie, Was this a reply to me or did I miss an email (again). Cheers Lesia In a message dated 26/05/2003 15:46:01 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lois It is my - limited - experience that postnatal doulas help new mums by doing things for them so that the mother can spend

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk and vitamin D supplements

2003-05-29 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
I remember as a child being given Vit D supplementation (despite my shorts and singlet and living in Tully) via good old cod liver oil. I think it was a cultural/ethnic habit left over (Germany and Norway). When I was old enough to know about Vit D and sun exposure I declined the Vitamin D.

Re: ADMIN FORWARDED: [ozmidwifery] Conference Speakers

2003-05-29 Thread Jan Robinson
Thanks Andrea I'd lost all my old NSWMA conference paperwork while having a 'clearing of the clutter' when my house was being painted. Judy's daughter won't regret contacting Neil I'm sure. He is a big supporter of breastfeeding. Hope the O/S workshops are going well. Jan On 28/5/03 3:00 PM, "Kim

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fellows ACMI

2003-05-29 Thread Jan Robinson
Hi Trish I have not received your email although I wrote it on the list at the last Fellows Forum I attended. I'ts same as ever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jan __ Jan Robinson Phone/fax: 011+ 61+ 2+ 9546

Re: [ozmidwifery] Maternity Coalition South Eastern Sydney Group1st Meeting

2003-05-29 Thread Jan Robinson
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Maternity Coalition South Eastern Sydney Group 1st Meeting Thanks for the invitation Julie Count me in. I’ve forwarded this to Nicky Leap and Deb Matha in case they haven’t seen it. Also a few more clients and ex-clients. Hope Tania will be there. Love Jan On 27/5/03 6:

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Mary Murphy
  Debbie wrote:  "It is well known that babies 'wee' in utero - so why not 'the other'?"   Deb, it is not so much that they do it, but how we interpret it.  We have for years been told that meconium in the liqour is a sign of "Fetal Distress"  There have been many unnecessary ope

RE: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Judy Giesaitis
Dear Mary   you have such a way with explaining things.  Sometimes your explanations clear up things which we have "always sort of known".  I always enjoy reading your posts.   Thanks and keep it up.   Judy Giesaitis -Original Message-  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Doula in Melbourne (Debbie)

2003-05-29 Thread Debbie Slater
Lesia This was a general reply to a message that Lois Wattis posted regarding the role of a postnatal doula. HTH Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Debbie, Was this a reply to me or did I miss an email (again). Cheers Lesia In a message dated 26/05/2003 15:46:01 GMT Daylight Tim

[ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing

2003-05-29 Thread Jo & Dean Bainbridge
I know there has been discussion in the past about this but I am in a hurry to get some information for a woman whom had a positive vaginal birth that turned ugly when she "tore badly inside and out" (in quotes because that is what she said and I have no further knowledge of what sort of tea

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk and vitamin D supplements

2003-05-29 Thread mel gregory
bear in mind that it might be for just those poor British babies that hardly ever see sunlight   ;-) - Original Message - From: Graham & Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk and vitamin D supple

RE: [ozmidwifery] 2 questions about pregnancy

2003-05-29 Thread Larry & Megan
Hi Nat, I'm not a midwife, but maybe the cramping could be to do with her pubic symthysis. Having suffered from an over-stretched one with my second and third pregnancy, the pain can feel like this. However there can be other pain, the thigh muscles get very tight and contracted, even your backside

RE: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Larry & Megan
I can't believe we needed a study to show this, what was supposed to happen to the babies waste product. Or am I just too simplistic? Megan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Tuesday, 27 May 2003 7:20To: list

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
And just to add something more, it is interesting to know that it (the inutero pooing) happens so early in gestation.  We have also all been told (at least I have) that the more mature a baby is (ie post dates) then the more likely it is that there will be mec in the liquor. I'd like to read

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing

2003-05-29 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Jo, I can really only offer personal information on this one as I have not had another experience with large vag tears other than anecdotal. 27 Years ago when my first daughter was born I had a large epis for a forceps delivery, this was followed by another large epis with a vaginal breech(a

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing

2003-05-29 Thread Margie Perkins
I read an amazing book a while ago 'A Better Woman"(?) by Susan Johnson(?) , an autobiography of her births with severe perineal damage. Another woman's experience/thinking/choices. I have no idea what impact it might have on your friend's thinking - but I hope she can arrive at a decision she i

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing

2003-05-29 Thread Lieve Huybrechts
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing Dear Jo, Two years ago I had a woman with a planned homebirth that ended in the hospital. She was there treated very rude and the gyn took the baby (4.180gr) out in one action of the vacuum. She had a terible tear of vagina wall and perineum. She ga

Re: [ozmidwifery] 2 questions about pregnancy

2003-05-29 Thread Gayle Rafferty
Just thinking about the question of hip/belly pain.  This could be as a result of a growing uterus stretching the broad and round ligaments.  You need to rule out the presence of infection from a UTI, perhaps advancing to the kidneys as in pyelonephritis.  Vaginitis, chorioamnionitis, can

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Gayle Rafferty
  Babies lungs are filled with a special fluid that is quite separate to amniotic fluid.  It is called Fetal Lung Fluid (FLF).  This is what is expelled as the baby is squeezed through the birth canal.   The baby occasionally 'spits' a little of this into the amniotic fluid, as a result of fe

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing

2003-05-29 Thread Kathy McCarthy-Bushby
Jo, My name is Kathy, I am working in the Know Your Midwife Scheme in Hobart. Our KYM team is very supportive of VBAC women. The only information I can provide you is from one woman's birth experiences of her two VBAC babies. While caring for this woman who had sucessfully achieved a VBAC, but unfo

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Mary Murphy
Marilyn wrote "Yet most babies with mec liquor don't present with MAS. And some (a very few) babies with very normal uncomplicated labours and births do develop MAS. Is it the gasp of a baby in distress (which may happen at any time and be undetected) or just a random gasp that carries the me

Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing

2003-05-29 Thread Cheryl LHK
Jo Having had two compound births and intact, the main reason was a midwife controlling the crowning and hand/elbow exit very carefully for me. Midwife-wise I've seen some shocking tears from using birthing stools (but some women will tell you that they are wonderful) Hope all goes well for th

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Mary Murphy
Thanks Gayle for your explanation.  What then causes a Term baby to have lungs with tissue choked with old meconium when birthed by elective caesarean because of poor CTG's?  MM - Original Message - From: Gayle Rafferty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 20

[ozmidwifery] United we stand, divided we fall

2003-05-29 Thread Mary Murphy
Quote of the Week "Closed circles, unnecessary misunderstandings, and subtle competitions do nothing more than harm the art of midwifery. Let's strive to respect and serve other midwives as we do our clients." — Alyssa Martin

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Gayle Rafferty
Thanks for your question and the quote Mary, There are several different ideas within this posting. Regardless of the mode of delivery and the intrapartum course, if there is mec.stained liquor, the baby is at risk of MAS and it's complications, regardless again of whether it is old or new

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Gayle Rafferty
 Just found this interesting article, sorry it is so lengthy   DISCUSSION   Meconium first appears in the fetal ileum between 10 and 16 weeks of gestation as a viscous, green liquid composed of gastrointestinal secretions, cellular debris, bile and panrcreatic fluid, mucous, blood, lanugo, a

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Debbie Slater
Yes - I suppose what I was trying to say was that it is considered normal for babies to wee 'in utero', so why shouldn't it be normal to pass meconium.  When Jamie had his problems and I had the polyhydramnios, I was given Indomethacine to control Jamie's urine output and so reduce the amount o

Re: [ozmidwifery] CTG Inservice

2003-05-29 Thread Veronica
David, I have just downloaded the CTG Tutor, and have found it extremely useful.  Very user friendly, and very practical, although they do talk about Ph levels which we don't do where I work.  I am going to download it at work also and get some others that are interested to through it.  Than

Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Thank you Gayle, that is a great explanation. However I have also been told and read it is the inutero gasp. I know we need to wipe and suction any mec, but especially in cases where this has been well done, verifiably, and the baby has gone on to develop MAS, it has been suggested the gasp

Re: [ozmidwifery] United we stand, divided we fall

2003-05-29 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
I hoped you would post it Mary.   marilyn - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:19 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] United we stand, divided we fall Quote of the Week "Closed circles, unnecessary misunderstandings, and s

[ozmidwifery] diabetes

2003-05-29 Thread Rhonda
    I wrote about my friend a little while ago with the "diagnosed" gestational Diabetes and they had said they were going to book her to be induced at 38 weeks.   Just an amusing update for you   Today she said that they had rung

RE: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

2003-05-29 Thread Janet Caulfield
Dear Gayle, Well answered and very clearly worded thanks heaps i have saved your response Janet Caulfield