"Ben Combee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
...
> I just checked the current panels for CW Palm 8. Keyboard editing
> mostly works,
...
I bought CW5 and got free upgrade into CW6. I was just considering
upgrading into CW7 ($$$). Should I wait and go strai
From: "Scott Herman" :
> [...]We are
> NOT the market. We like the elegance of our cute little bundled apps
> and data, and that tight binding works well for consumers using the
> appliance model, where the device is an appliance designed to fulfill
> a specific need. However the market perception
Recently, Gary Gorsline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What I would really like to see is a good, proven development system that
>provides for the development of software products that would (with little or
>no extra work) run on the many platforms (Palm OS, Palm OS with hardware
>variants (larger sc
>Subject: Re: I hate to say I told you so but..
>From: "Linke, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:03:52 +0200
>> >Palm has tried to penetrate the business market for years, with
>> >very limited success. They are very popular amo
> Sorry Roger, but I don't consider one-field-per-screen numeric entries
good
> usability. It may be the best you can do on the platform, but this was
> actually my point. I've seen lots of Palm business applications from many
> vendors, small companies like yours, and big companies like IBM, or S
>
> >Palm has tried to penetrate the business market for years, with
> >very limited success. They are very popular among consumers
> >but business applications are scarce. It's true that business users
> >might not care as much about color as consumers, but what they
> >definitely need i
I've been watching this thread too, at first wondering why it did not die
quickly. But now it has gone in some good directions, so it's kept my
interest. Here's my two sense$:
> >Business vs Consumer
> >.
> >Palm has tried to penetrate the business market for years, with
> >very limited suc
>Subject: Re: I hate to say I told you so but..
>From: "Linke, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:37:48 +0200
>
>...
>Business vs Consumer
>.
>Palm has tried to penetrate the business market for years, with
>very limited suc
Hi Ben
> > 1. It would be nice if we could use the settings dialogs without a
> > mouse (ie tab
> I just checked the current panels for CW Palm 8. Keyboard
> editing mostly works, the only exceptions were the color...
Well - almost - you can't change the optimisation levels and also while movin
> 1. It would be nice if we could use the settings dialogs without a
mouse (ie tab
> into ALL fields IN ORDER and edit their values)
I just checked the current panels for CW Palm 8. Keyboard editing
mostly works, the only exceptions were the color selectors in the editor
settings (no focus on c
em.
Well - I hope this is specific enough for you..
Fergal..
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Lippincott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 18 September 2001 18:52
> To: Palm Developer Forum
> Subject: Re: I hate to say I told you so but..
>
>
> I complained early and
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Palm Developer Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: I hate to say I told you so but..
> > Are you guys ever going to produce a native GUI for the Wintel
> > version, or will it always be a pseu
> Are you guys ever going to produce a native GUI for the Wintel
> version, or will it always be a pseudo-Mac interface?
With every release, more of the original Mac code that was ported is
replaced with native Windows code. Version 7's IDE (IDE 4.1.0.2) is
actually very Windows-like -- no contex
"Linke, Andreas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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...
> It's sad that it would need a
> small company like HandEra to come up with the first innovative approach
to
> these limitations.
Why is that sad? Handera is a Palm licensee, using the PalmOS.
What you hav
"Ben Combee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> As technical lead for the CodeWarrior for Palm OS team since May,
...
>The IDE has grown
> out of a very Macintosh-centric group,
That's for sure.
Are you guys ever going to produce a native GUI for the Wintel
"Jeremy Neal Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
> My intention is not to defend Mr. Davis, per se, but rather the right of
> members to criticize this platform without generating a cascade of
knee-jerk
> responses.
I'm not exactly certain that needs defend
My intention is not to defend Mr. Davis, per se, but rather the right of
members to criticize this platform without generating a cascade of knee-jerk
responses. Consider: though people have criticized the original post in
every way imaginable, it has actually started a really productive thread; I
"Ben Combee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 2) What is Palm doing to make development faster
> > and easier? Some might say this isn't Palm's
> > problem, but I say it is. CodeWarrior and
> > Constructor -- in my humble opinion -- suck. I like
> > GCC, but a lot of people are intimida
This thread has become so long, I guess it won't hurt if I add my 0.02 EUR.
Palm vs Microsoft
It has been predicted for several years now that MS would take over the
handheld market "in the near future". Still, Palm OS devices have by far the
largest market share, and while the number of Pocket P
> 2) What is Palm doing to make development faster
> and easier? Some might say this isn't Palm's
> problem, but I say it is. CodeWarrior and
> Constructor -- in my humble opinion -- suck. I like
> GCC, but a lot of people are intimidated by it. What
> is to be done?
As technical lead
"Jeremy Neal Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
> For what it's worth, I don't like his tone either. But though the original
> post indeed smells like a troll, what better place is there to discuss
> Palm's shortcomings? Too many posters view this forum as
Granted these are only my opinion, so take them with a grain of salt.. I
have been a Palm user for years and I currently have 4 different devices on
my desk.. with a half dozen more of various model numbers scattered about my
office.. and among all of those is one lone Journada 545 that I curse at
Mssrs. Barton and Lippincott make excellent points. My intent, however, is
not to advocate Pocket PC; my purchase and use of the iPAQ is the only
advocacy I think is necessary. Rather, my point is that it's perfectly
reasonable for posters to say 'WinCE has this feature or that advantage; why
does
> General question: is that BeOS's response or yours?
Mine.
> One point that your analysis tends to overlook is the
> desktop/enterprise
> server to handheld connection. This has been increasingly
> important. As more
> and more data exists in a Microsoft world, the PocketPC has
> an opportun
> whose career is now mixed up with this device, I don't think this
> sentimentality is a good idea.
I never tried to imply that my comments were based on sentiment. Nor do I
have my head buried in the sand as some others have suggested. If either one
of those were true, I'd be trying to make som
rect
for adding features to the OS as long as they maintain ease of use. BTW:
haven't sold a single color Palm yet.
- Original Message -
From: "Kenneth S. Rhee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Palm Developer Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 17,
>Also, one of the important things about Palm is backward compatibility,
and
>so far I have suffered minimum inconvenience for Palm, while I have
stopped
>using my own WinCE devices altogether.
Maybe this is where Palm has truly missed the boat. What better way to
boost
hardware sales than to
Perhaps PocketPC might be easier to program, but difficult to use.
I would much rather have programmers (including myself) suffer and let the
users enjoy the simplicity--not the other way around.
I had a professor in college forced me to write a one-page paper on Plato.
Believe me I suffered thr
For what it's worth, I don't like his tone either. But though the original
post indeed smells like a troll, what better place is there to discuss
Palm's shortcomings? Too many posters view this forum as some kind of Palm
booster club, and they jump on everyone -- even thoughtful writers -- who
cri
Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Avilla,
> Dane
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:47 PM
> To: Palm Developer Forum
> Subject: BeOS Response to RE: I hate to say I told you so but..
>
>
> One interesting thin
> Why do you suppose that PockePC is catching and will soon overtake
> the Palm PDAs then?
It's not. Every analysis based upon PalmOS (which includes Palm and it's
licenses) versus PocketPC indicates that the numbers have not substantially
changed.
So what does the world look like when there's s
"Michael S. Davis" wrote:
> I told you so (Palm).
Very immature and very unprofessional in both manner and style.
>
> Over a year ago, I said that Palm would have to bend to market demands
> for Color, sound and other features offered by the PocketPC. Many of
> the palm supporters and some emp
formation in any way.
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Palm Developer Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: I hate to say I t
> I hadn't actually intended to respond to the original msg, but since
> it has continued I guess I will.
>
> His tone is not one of warning, but more that of a kindergartener
> saying "nyah nyah" when someone he doesn't like is getting his
> comeuppance.
If that makes you feel better rather tha
Just keep your head burried in the sand then...
>
> I don't think this is off-topic. The charter explicitly lists
> "questions and concerns about future technologies or the future of the
> Palm OS platform or of Palm, Inc.", so I'll take a shot.
>
> >Over a year ago, I said that Palm would hav
He's right!
I have access to a Handspring because my girlfriend bought one as soon as
she saw a color model.
I am programming a game for the Palm OS because it has color (tiles are
color and pattern distinguished). I wouldn't bother in a 2bit color system,
altho I might be writing a databases ap
One interesting thing to point out here:
Since Palm announced it was acquiring Be, I've spent quite a bit of time
looking at the BeOS since presumably much of it will show up in some form or
another in future versions of PalmOS. In a nutshell:
* BeOS is much cleaner and easier to code (than CE)
"Scott Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
...
>
> All desktop computer users are familiar with the "file" paradigm.
> Where Pocket PC is killing Palm is in that it feels familiar and
> comfortable to users. As ridiculous as it sounds to us, non-technical
I hadn't actually intended to respond to the original msg, but since it has
continued I guess I will.
I don't really have a problem w/ honest criticism. Palm certainly _is_ a
bit slow on the enhancement track. HOWEVER ... Mr, Davis' message was and
is almost certainly more intended as flame-bai
I have to disagree with you Ed. Although you and the handful
or so of technically aware users might prefer to trade battery
life and cost for color, the bigger market apparently does not.
This is why Palm is rapidly losing handheld market share.
The point about the internet phones is that what th
I don't think this is off-topic. The charter explicitly lists
"questions and concerns about future technologies or the future of the
Palm OS platform or of Palm, Inc.", so I'll take a shot.
>Over a year ago, I said that Palm would have to bend to market demands
>for Color, sound and other featu
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Bradly J. Barton wrote:
> I am done with this topic, and I would suggest that if you want to continue
> it, there are plenty of message boards out there that will argue with you
> until both devices have undergone several more revisions.
And you will be done with it right up
> Price is still climbing and you still aren't to what is built-in on a
PocketPc
I told myself that I was going to stay out of this very off topic
discussion, but your comment about all of these features built into a
PocketPC is offbase, as well. I have yet to see a PocketPC with wireless and
pho
> "Jeremy Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:62311@palm-dev-forum...
> >
> > Well, lets take a quick look at Handspring.
> >
> > 1) I believe there is a device called a Visor Prism...Well, I'll be a
> > monkey's uncle, they DO have color.
> > 2) They have the "VisorPhone"...We
And how much does this amazing Palm of yours cost? How many different
vendors must you buy from to assemble it? How much expertise must you have
to get it running?
Get a clue. You might dislike Mr. Davis' tone, but is there no merit at all
to what he's saying? Do you think the huge growth in Pock
Well, lets take a quick look at Handspring.
1) I believe there is a device called a Visor Prism...Well, I'll be a
monkey's uncle, they DO have color.
2) They have the "VisorPhone"...Well again, I'm still a monkey's uncle,
they have a cell-phone.
3) Hmm...If I combine 1 & 2 guess what I have???
Hm - which is the OS of these full color cell phones?
"Michael S. Davis" schrieb:
> I told you so (Palm).
>
> Over a year ago, I said that Palm would have to bend to market demands
> for Color, sound and other features offered by the PocketPC. Many of
> the palm supporters and some employees of
Blah blah blah, I know evertything, I'm so hip and cool, I told you
so. Blah blah blah.
Get a life please!!!
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I told you so (Palm).
Over a year ago, I said that Palm would have to bend to market demands
for Color, sound and other features offered by the PocketPC. Many of
the palm supporters and some employees of Palm said I was all wet.
Well, I have just read an article in the news that says that the B
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