Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-03-18 Thread Billy Stiltner
I fixed my wired mouse(was using hp wireless) , have 2 different keyboards laptop and desktop, still with 64 bit dual core 2.2Ghz laptop with 4Gb ram I get dropouts with xensynth even without moving the mouse. this does not happen with miniwoog_1.0 downloaded from the forum site I think. I guess I

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-13 Thread Pagano, Patrick
University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 From: pured...@11h11.com [pured...@11h11.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:23 PM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] libpd and Unity Would be useful to see the errors. Also what version of Unity

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-13 Thread puredata
Excellent! Btw someone reported that it's also working on Unity free osX version by: - compiling libpdcsharp and then modify the loader_path execute: - install_name_tool -id @loader_path/libpdcsharp.dylib libpdcsharp.dylib - place in the root of Assets folder; As for more example, I think

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-12 Thread Pagano, Patrick
To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] libpd and Unity Yes both adc / dac are working: You can load a sample in a AudioSource, this will be the ADC signal You can make a patch with a DAC, this will be the AudioListener Communication from Unity - PD is working Communication from PD - Unity is working

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-12 Thread puredata
Would be useful to see the errors. Also what version of Unity (free / pro) (3.5 / 4)? Did you compile your own pdcsharlib.dll? Windows: install mingw and compile libpd (https://github.com/libpd/libpd) make csharplib. Copy libs/libpdcsharl.dll to Assets/Plugins à+

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-12 Thread Roman Haefeli
Hey On Mit, 2014-03-12 at 19:23 -0400, pured...@11h11.com wrote: [...] How is it there in the future? :-) Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-08 Thread puredata
Yes both adc / dac are working: You can load a sample in a AudioSource, this will be the ADC signal You can make a patch with a DAC, this will be the AudioListener Communication from Unity - PD is working Communication from PD - Unity is working Loading externals are working too. But what I do

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-07 Thread Dan Wilcox
to double check that it's working. On Mar 5, 2014, at 10:35 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: From: Varun Nair nothingtok...@gmail.com Subject: [PD] libpd and Unity Date: March 5, 2014 at 6:16:05 PM EST To: pd-list@iem.at Hi all, I extended Patrick Sebastien's work in libpd-4-unity

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-07 Thread Varun Nair
Yes, it was built from the master branch. The C# wrappers are used across OSX, Android and Windows in Unity. Will test pd_045-4 next when I get the time. Cheers Varun -- @ntkeep http://twitter.com/ntkeep re-sounding.com http://re-sounding.com designingsound.org http://designingsound.org

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-07 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Can you guys be clear about what is working? Pd audio in Unity? :-) crossing fingers Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Varun Nair nothingtok...@gmail.commailto:nothingtok...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it was built from the master branch. The C# wrappers are used across OSX, Android

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-06 Thread Filippo Beck Peccoz
Hi Varun, thank you for this great tool! Is it possible to send events from PD to Unity with this as well? Best, Filippo Filippo Beck Peccoz - FBP Game Audio Production www.fbpsound.com Studio: +49 (0)89-80033204 Fax: +49(0)89-99752164 Mobile: +49-(0)1520-4004143 Skype: fbpsound On Mar 6,

Re: [PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-06 Thread Varun Nair
Hi Filippo, Yes! Works both ways. Messaging and audio related stuff has been tested. Haven't got into MIDI and arrays yet. Cheers Varun -- @ntkeep http://twitter.com/ntkeep re-sounding.com http://re-sounding.com designingsound.org http://designingsound.org Filippo Beck Peccoz

[PD] libpd and Unity

2014-03-05 Thread Varun Nair
Hi all, I extended Patrick Sebastien's work in libpd-4-unity on Windows and now have it working on OSX and Android. iOS is pending but will happen soon. The whole API hasn't been tested, but basic functionality is in place and works. More info here

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-28 Thread Billy Stiltner
it's the overhead of the os that gets in the way, i started to try ofxpd but found ofxui to be slow as all getout with my old machine. what would be nice is someone fixing tcltk On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: For instance, it seems like there are two

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-28 Thread Dan Wilcox
Well, you're not using any tcl/tk if you're using libpd in ofxPd. The blame falls elsewhere. enohp ym morf tnes -- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com On Feb 28, 2014, at 3:13 AM, Billy Stiltner billy.stilt...@gmail.com wrote: it's the overhead of the os that gets in the

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-28 Thread Billy Stiltner
re: Well, you're not using any tcl/tk if you're using libpd in ofxPd. The blame falls elsewhere. on slow machines it doesnt matter what gui you use there will be problems is my point so the best thing to do is fix tcl/tk On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-27 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
For instance, it seems like there are two main concerns floating around: a) multiple instances of pd b) separating GUI from core I would add a c) here which is what pd-l2ork has been doing, namely getting rid of all known bugs and streamlining experience until it reaches a level of

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread Billy Stiltner
re: :P Moreover, processors haven't gotten faster in a while you can say that again! I think it was 2005 I ordered the mayor of Appalachia a 3.2Ghz Intel CPU 17laptop. My current machine is only 2.2 Ghz. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Peter Brinkmann peter.brinkm...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread patrice colet
Le 26/02/2014 04:41, Peter Brinkmann a écrit : 3. I'm sort of losing track of all the stakeholders and their agendas. Here's a rough list of players and their agendas as I see them: * Pd Vanilla (maintain backward compatibility so that existing works won't bit-rot). * Pd

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 02/26/2014 12:53 PM, patrice colet wrote: * pdvst (plugin for VST hosts) ? that's a *perfect* usecase for libpd fgmrdsa IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 02/25/2014 10:41 PM, Peter Brinkmann wrote: Late to the party, but here are a few thoughts on the topics that have come up: 1. Pd and concurrency: Audio processing must be separate from user interaction. If you want decent latency, you need to do your audio processing on a real-time

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread Rafael Vega
So to keep this from becoming yet another copy of a previous thread in the archive, here's the thing: someone has to step up and say, I am going to maintain 'core Pd'. That would mean listening to the needs of the community, reviewing patches, and _delegating_ responsibilities. Yes! I

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread Ivica Bukvic
While it would be incredibly pretentious of me to even think about proposing pd-l2ork as an upstream standard, What I can share instead is that I welcome all submissions and as was the case with patches submitted so far we try to merge them quickly provided there are no major showstoppers. Even if

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Rafael Vega email.r...@gmail.com wrote: It's been fascinating for me to see what has happened with OpenFrameworks and their Do it with others philosophy. It would be great if the Pd community would migrate into something similar. What's interesting to me is

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread Ivica Bukvic
The reason why I believe combining all of these will not be feasible is because in one of my recent conversations with Miller (and Miller please correct me if I somehow misremember here) he expressed his belief any project that exceeds N lines of code which I believe in this case it was something

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread Miller Puckette
HI all - My figure was 100K lines, not 10K. PD's C code is at about 70K now, and the Tcl/TK code is 7K - so I am only adding expansions very carefully now. Another related idea with an absurdly arbitrary round number attached: the code is built to last 50 years. It's now about 17 ywars in

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread Rich E
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu wrote: HI all - My figure was 100K lines, not 10K. PD's C code is at about 70K now, and the Tcl/TK code is 7K - so I am only adding expansions very carefully now. Another related idea with an absurdly arbitrary round number

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-26 Thread Rich E
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Ivica Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: The reason why I believe combining all of these will not be feasible is because in one of my recent conversations with Miller (and Miller please correct me if I somehow misremember here) he expressed his belief any project that

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-25 Thread Peter Brinkmann
Late to the party, but here are a few thoughts on the topics that have come up: 1. Pd and concurrency: Audio processing must be separate from user interaction. If you want decent latency, you need to do your audio processing on a real-time thread. On the other hand, the GUI cannot be on a

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-24 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Ivica Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: I consider that a sad thing. At least with Pd-extended, it was largely Pd-vanilla + externals. I don't think it needs to be sad. Yes, pd-extended is

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-24 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
From: Dan Wilcox [mailto:danomat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:34 AM To: Ivica Bukvic Cc: Jonathan Wilkes; pd-list@iem.at List; Peter Brinkmann Subject: Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Ivica Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-24 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
; Peter Brinkmann Subject: Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core   On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Ivica Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote:   On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote:   I consider that a sad thing. At least with Pd-extended, it was largely Pd-vanilla

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-24 Thread Dan Wilcox
Wilcox [mailto:danomat...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2014 11:34 AM *To:* Ivica Bukvic *Cc:* Jonathan Wilkes; pd-list@iem.at List; Peter Brinkmann *Subject:* Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Ivica Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: On Sun, Feb 23

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-24 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote:     From:Dan Wilcox [mailto:danomat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:34 AM To: Ivica Bukvic Cc: Jonathan Wilkes; pd-list@iem.at List; Peter Brinkmann Subject: Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core   On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Ivica Bukvic i...@vt.edu

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-24 Thread Billy Stiltner
I think Miller's puredata is awesome. more than 20 years ago I wrote my own assembly routines as well as c++ for an analog devices 32 ch board for waterplant control software , but ended up using the factory drivers instead when they came out for this software

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:11 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you have an example of a patch that suffers from Pd's current single-threaded implementation that would be measurably improved by using a multi-threaded approach? Ask any of the people who have to run two instances of

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Dan Wilcox
Also, to be honest, at this point if Cycling 74 came out with Max runtimes for iOS and Linux, I would probably switch. I don't say that because I don't like PD, but more from a pragmatic point of view where I consider which project is currently progressing in the long term. For instance, on

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Max
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ok, Dan, i can feel you there. but let's not mix up the GUI-core separation with the GEM on OS X question. As much as their consequences are similar, they are fundamentally different in their implementation, no? Questions that comes to my mind when I

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Feb 23, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ok, Dan, i can feel you there. but let's not mix up the GUI-core separation with the GEM on OS X question. As much as their consequences are similar, they are fundamentally

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all - just a short note since this discussion is much too wode-ranging to address in full... 2. Would the result of this work be accepted by Miller and become vanilla? As history has shown, the chances are limited. Again, there is probably a good way to do it where you could choose

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Dan Wilcox
Well, then I'm simply out of the loop and mostly-off base. Woops, sorry. I'll go there and see if we can keep it going. Looks like we're talking about both multi-threading and multi-instances which would be a big move towards solving some fundamental problems. Also, it's not really a

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 02/23/2014 07:37 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:11 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you have an example of a patch that suffers from Pd's current single-threaded implementation that would be measurably improved by using a multi-threaded approach? Ask any of

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Jamie Bullock
On 23 Feb 2014, at 20:29, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Things maybe acceptable to us PD grey beards, but at some point it would be nice to find a way to enter the modern, multicore multithreaded world. Moores law has shifted from clock speed to just add more cores years ago

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Feb 23, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 02/23/2014 07:37 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:11 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you have an example of a patch that suffers from Pd's current single-threaded implementation that would

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Ivica Bukvic
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 23, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, stuff like that we should be able to solve. I'm not for ditching the Tcl/Tk gui at all. The work you and Ivica have been doing seems to be

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Rich E
Hey lets keep on topic here. :) I'd say separating the gui and core is much less work than trying to revamp pd's threading model. Just *enabling* thirdparty GUI's that can talk to pd core as an audio and computation engine, should be possible without breaking backwards compatibility.

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 02/23/2014 08:15 PM, Ivica Bukvic wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com mailto:danomat...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 23, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, stuff like that we should be

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Dan Wilcox
Coming back on topic: On Feb 23, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Ivica Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: If I may chime in for a sec (pd-l2ork author here), there is absolutely no interest in dropping development of pd-l2ork anytime soon. Pd-L2Ork already has thousands of lines of code either altered or added

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Ivica Bukvic
libpd requires a lot of what pd-l2ork offers in order to be able to move forward (obeying stacking order for instance, that are a prerequisite for global system-wide presets as well as editing tools like undo/redo and tofront/back). pd-l2ork also improves on pack, route, select, and trigger to

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Feb 23, 2014, at 10:46 PM, Ivica Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: libpd requires a lot of what pd-l2ork offers in order to be able to move forward (obeying stacking order for instance, that are a prerequisite for global system-wide presets as well as editing tools like undo/redo and

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-23 Thread Ivica Bukvic
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: I consider that a sad thing. At least with Pd-extended, it was largely Pd-vanilla + externals. I don't think it needs to be sad. Yes, pd-extended is pd-vanilla + externals + most limitations of the vanilla. How does

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-22 Thread Rich E
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:54 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 02/20/2014 09:50 PM, Rich E wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.comwrote: On 02/18/2014 11:11 PM, Rich E wrote: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Dan Wilcox

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-22 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
I'm just having trouble with the specifics.  Do you have an example of a patch that suffers from Pd's current single-threaded implementation that would be measurably improved by using a multi-threaded approach?  Also, what is the metric to use here? To compare apples to apples, imagine that

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 02/20/2014 09:50 PM, Rich E wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 02/18/2014 11:11 PM, Rich E wrote: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com mailto:danomat...@gmail.com

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-21 Thread Charles Goyard
Hi, just to give some example of single vs multi-threaded, and some comparison points. - projects like haproxy and lighthttpd show that good state machine programming can be more efficient that multi-threaded programming, even on multi-core computers. BUT they handle a much reduced number of use

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-21 Thread Simon Wise
On 21/02/14 20:41, Charles Goyard wrote: Hi, just to give some example of single vs multi-threaded, and some comparison points. - projects like haproxy and lighthttpd show that good state machine programming can be more efficient that multi-threaded programming, even on multi-core computers.

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-21 Thread Charles Goyard
Hi, In the case of PD, maybe just a good mix of libpd and a generalization of pd~ can improve things much. [pd~] deals with the particular case of creating an extra dsp thread, it incurs overhead to do so and does not isolate the dsp from a busy patch. It is quite orthogonal to creating

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 02/21/2014 06:41 AM, Simon Wise wrote: On 21/02/14 20:41, Charles Goyard wrote: Hi, just to give some example of single vs multi-threaded, and some comparison points. - projects like haproxy and lighthttpd show that good state machine programming can be more efficient that multi-threaded

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-20 Thread Rich E
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.comwrote: On 02/18/2014 11:11 PM, Rich E wrote: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: Ah wait, duh. Of course the graph needs to know positioning, that's how it determines execution order

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-02-17 22:42, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: No sane person is going to do incremental work without a plan on GUI software in 2014 that only has a single undo. luckily the work on the GUI will most likely happen in git, which gives you infinite

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-18 Thread Rich E
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: Ah wait, duh. Of course the graph needs to know positioning, that's how it determines execution order or independent blocks of objects right? On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: Does the

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 02/18/2014 04:00 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-02-17 22:42, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: No sane person is going to do incremental work without a plan on GUI software in 2014 that only has a single undo. luckily the work on the GUI will

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 02/18/2014 11:11 PM, Rich E wrote: On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com mailto:danomat...@gmail.com wrote: Ah wait, duh. Of course the graph needs to know positioning, that's how it determines execution order or independent blocks of objects

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think that the way forward with the pd/gui separation is to work on the low hanging fruit, things that are easy to fix. Let the hard parts for later, which will only be a couple areas. So that means looking at everywhere where sys_gui() or sys_vgui() is called, and seeing how the raw Tcl

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-02-17 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 02/17/2014 10:48 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think that the way forward with the pd/gui separation is to work on the low hanging fruit, things that are easy to fix. Let the hard parts for later, which will only be a couple areas. So that means looking at everywhere where sys_gui()

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-17 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 13/01/2014 15:32, Dan Wilcox wrote: As Hans has proposed for years, IMO this is really the only way to perhaps solve the PD gui development doesn't move fast enough problem in the long term. In this case, Miller would have the core (in libpd) the pd-vanilla wrapper gui formally separated

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Dan Wilcox
As Hans has proposed for years, IMO this is really the only way to perhaps solve the PD gui development doesn't move fast enough problem in the long term. In this case, Miller would have the core (in libpd) the pd-vanilla wrapper gui formally separated while everyone else can then use the same

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 01/13/2014 09:32 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: As Hans has proposed for years, IMO this is really the only way to perhaps solve the PD gui development doesn't move fast enough problem in the long term. In this case, Miller would have the core (in libpd) the pd-vanilla wrapper gui formally

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Dan Wilcox
Woops, forgot the reply-all. On Jan 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 01/13/2014 09:32 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: As Hans has proposed for years, IMO this is really the only way to perhaps solve the PD gui development doesn't move fast enough problem in the long

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 01/13/2014 03:11 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: Woops, forgot the reply-all. On Jan 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 01/13/2014 09:32 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: As Hans has proposed for years, IMO this is really the only way to perhaps solve

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 01/13/2014 03:11 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: Woops, forgot the reply-all. On Jan 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry, I don't know quite what you're referring to here. The only two

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Dan Wilcox
Ah wait, duh. Of course the graph needs to know positioning, that's how it determines execution order or independent blocks of objects right? On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: Does the dsp graph rely on positioning? I thought only via connections. I'd

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 01/13/2014 05:14 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 01/13/2014 03:11 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: Woops, forgot the reply-all. On Jan 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com

[PD] libpd for iOS set-up

2013-11-27 Thread Nick Arner
Hello all, I have been setting up my libpd project exactly as described in the Making Musical Apps book, but keep getting an error that z_queued.h can't be found...does anyone have any tips or suggestions? Thanks! Nick -- Nicholas Arner MSc in Music Technology by Research Department of

Re: [PD] libpd for iOS set-up

2013-11-27 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Hey Nick Let me know how you get on I just bought Making musical apps as well and I would love to mirror the how to with someone else. I have 10.8.5 and Xcode5 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 27, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Nick Arner nicholasar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I have been setting up

[PD] libPD : unknown audio API specified - iOS or PD error ?

2013-08-26 Thread Фывапр Олджэвич
Hi List and LibPD developers ! Testing an iOS app with LibPD we get: unknown audio API specified Is it a PD patch problem or xCode ? or what can it be ? the Pd-patch works well in Vanilla.  any advice please thanks !  ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing

Re: [PD] libPD : unknown audio API specified - iOS or PD error ?

2013-08-26 Thread Dan Wilcox
Most likely, you haven't specified the dummy audio api via compiler defines. See https://github.com/libpd/libpd/wiki/libpd#build-settings On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:00 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: From: Фывапр Олджэвич tofuc...@inbox.ru Subject: [PD] libPD : unknown audio API specified

[PD] libpd and Processing; handling externals

2013-08-05 Thread Òscar Martínez Carmona
Hi list! I'm aware that libpd and Processing are not the subjects more related to this list but I've asked this were it's suposed to be; Pd-everywhere 's threat at Create Digital Noise without any reply by now, so I'm trying it here. Libpd and Processing work really fine together and embedding PD

Re: [PD] libpd and Processing; handling externals

2013-08-05 Thread Dan Wilcox
, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: From: Òscar Martínez Carmona xamp...@gmail.com Subject: [PD] libpd and Processing; handling externals Date: August 5, 2013 2:14:43 AM EDT To: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Hi list! I'm aware that libpd and Processing are not the subjects more related

Re: [PD] libpd and Processing; handling externals

2013-08-05 Thread Brian Fay
Martínez Carmona xamp...@gmail.com *Subject: **[PD] libpd and Processing; handling externals* *Date: *August 5, 2013 2:14:43 AM EDT *To: *pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Hi list! I'm aware that libpd and Processing are not the subjects more related to this list but I've asked this were it's

Re: [PD] libpd and Processing; handling externals

2013-08-05 Thread Òscar Martínez Carmona
...@gmail.com *Subject: **[PD] libpd and Processing; handling externals* *Date: *August 5, 2013 2:14:43 AM EDT *To: *pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Hi list! I'm aware that libpd and Processing are not the subjects more related to this list but I've asked this were it's suposed to be; Pd-everywhere

Re: [PD] libPd hanging audio

2013-07-11 Thread Dan Wilcox
Howdy guys, See https://github.com/danomatika/ofxPd#for-xcode-1 From my notes, I have: -DHAVE_UNISTD_H -DUSEAPI_DUMMY -DPD -dynamiclib -ldl -lm I also added this to the libpd Github wiki: https://github.com/libpd/libpd/wiki/libpd#build-settings On Jul 11, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Ed Kelly

[PD] libPd hanging audio

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Kelly
Hi Dan, Peter, I'm here with our ofxPd-based iPhone app, and we are getting a repeat of a particular problem listed here: http://createdigitalnoise.com/discussion/150/pdbase-closepatch/p1 Namely: when closing a patch I would receive this message: sys_close_audio: unknown API 9 and then we

Re: [PD] libPd hanging audio

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Kelly
Hi Dan, Thanks for quick response. Even with these compiler flags, we get the same result. On the same page there is this: RtAudio Hang on Exit in 0062 RtAudio will hang on app exit in OF 0062. The only way to fix this is to make a small edit to the OF 0062 core by editing 

Re: [PD] libPd hanging audio

2013-07-11 Thread Dan Wilcox
You could try the 007 tag: https://github.com/danomatika/ofxPd/releases, everything after that will not work without some src modifications. (It may not be that much). Personally, I would consider updating your version of OF. You'd need to remake the xcode project, but the sound stuff is in a

Re: [PD] libPd hanging audio and other questions

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Kelly
Hi Dan, Thanks for your help. I know they're holding off the rewrite in OF 7 due to time and budgetary constraints, but we think there was another reason why it kept hanging. A, external I wrote in C gives out sample accurate events (rather that block-aligned ones) as well as a signal. The

Re: [PD] Libpd running in OS X app

2013-07-08 Thread Joe White
wrote: *From: *Joe White white.j...@gmail.com *Subject: **[PD] Libpd running in OS X app* *Date: *July 5, 2013 7:34:47 AM EDT *To: *pd-list pd-list@iem.at Hi guys, Does anyone have any experience running libpd in an OS X app, using CoreAudio. I'm able to run a patch and receive print

Re: [PD] Libpd running in OS X app

2013-07-08 Thread Rich E
wanna help out there or sponsor us? :D On Jul 5, 2013, at 7:56 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: *From: *Joe White white.j...@gmail.com *Subject: **[PD] Libpd running in OS X app* *Date: *July 5, 2013 7:34:47 AM EDT *To: *pd-list pd-list@iem.at Hi guys, Does anyone have any experience

Re: [PD] Libpd running in OS X app

2013-07-06 Thread Joe White
-requ...@iem.at wrote: *From: *Joe White white.j...@gmail.com *Subject: **[PD] Libpd running in OS X app* *Date: *July 5, 2013 7:34:47 AM EDT *To: *pd-list pd-list@iem.at Hi guys, Does anyone have any experience running libpd in an OS X app, using CoreAudio. I'm able to run a patch

Re: [PD] Libpd running in OS X app

2013-07-06 Thread Joe White
danomat...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, the OSX port isn't finished and the CoreAudio backend isn't hooked up. Anyone wanna help out there or sponsor us? :D On Jul 5, 2013, at 7:56 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: *From: *Joe White white.j...@gmail.com *Subject: **[PD] Libpd running

Re: [PD] Libpd running in OS X app

2013-07-06 Thread Dan Wilcox
, 2013, at 7:56 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: From: Joe White white.j...@gmail.com Subject: [PD] Libpd running in OS X app Date: July 5, 2013 7:34:47 AM EDT To: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Hi guys, Does anyone have any experience running libpd in an OS X app, using CoreAudio. I'm

Re: [PD] Libpd running in OS X app

2013-07-06 Thread Rich E
...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, the OSX port isn't finished and the CoreAudio backend isn't hooked up. Anyone wanna help out there or sponsor us? :D On Jul 5, 2013, at 7:56 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: *From: *Joe White white.j...@gmail.com *Subject: **[PD] Libpd running in OS X app

[PD] Libpd running in OS X app

2013-07-05 Thread Joe White
Hi guys, Does anyone have any experience running libpd in an OS X app, using CoreAudio. I'm able to run a patch and receive print statements but I'm not getting any audio output and DSP doesn't seem to be processing. I created a quick test tone in code to see if it was my audio unit but that

Re: [PD] Libpd running in OS X app

2013-07-05 Thread Dan Wilcox
As far as I know, the OSX port isn't finished and the CoreAudio backend isn't hooked up. Anyone wanna help out there or sponsor us? :D On Jul 5, 2013, at 7:56 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: From: Joe White white.j...@gmail.com Subject: [PD] Libpd running in OS X app Date: July 5, 2013 7

Re: [PD] LibPD - Vanilla only ?

2013-02-21 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
If someone wanted to libpd-ify the Pd-extended core, I'll help where I can. That would give you things like [initbang], $@ and $#, the 'blob' type for handling generic blobs of memory, and more. .hc On 02/21/2013 12:39 AM, Peter Brinkmann wrote: libpd itself only tracks Pd Vanilla, but you can

[PD] libpd netreceive

2013-01-20 Thread Thomas Grill
Hi all, i am new to libpd and i have run into problems using netreceive on ios 5.1. While netsend works perfectly, netreceive doesn't work at all. Senders can connect to the receiving socket, but netreceive wouldn't spit out any data. Looking at the code, it seems to me that the polling of the net

Re: [PD] libpd netreceive

2013-01-20 Thread Peter Brinkmann
Hi Thomas, I have to admit that I didn't realize that netreceive requires an extra polling step. So, I'm afraid that netreceive is currently broken. The question is what to do about this. I took a quick look at sys_domicrosleep and didn't immediately see how it works. I wouldn't mind integrating

Re: [PD] libpd netreceive

2013-01-20 Thread Billy Stiltner
Peter while you are in here, i'm wondering about using the latest libpd on linux, would it be better to use the old code or the latest? is there anything that doesn't work that didn't work in the previous versions? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [PD] libpd netreceive

2013-01-20 Thread Peter Brinkmann
Hi Billy, Use the latest version. I don't think we've had any regressions. Peter On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Billy Stiltner billy.stilt...@gmail.comwrote: Peter while you are in here, i'm wondering about using the latest libpd on linux, would it be better to use the old code or

Re: [PD] libPd PdDroidParty comport ?

2013-01-07 Thread Maurin Donneaud
I m familiar with the PD comport object but my patch is running on a mobile phone and i can't access the console message logs :-( Maurin Le 7 janv. 2013 à 05:35, Martin Peach a écrit : On 2013-01-06 15:13, Maurin Donneaud wrote: Im trying to connect Arduino via bluetooth to libPd /

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