RE: PAW149 - Hamburger

it's one of the conditions of a Euro bailout. D'oh! Es ist eine der Bedingungen des Euro-Rettungsschirms B > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > knarftheria...@gmail.com > > Why is everybody talking German? > > Dag is Norwegian. > > Cheers, > frank > > --- Original Messa

RE: Pixel-peeping madness

K-5 IIs does indeed have a better AF. I have three lenses which is now working as they should. My FA*400/5,6 would not focus correctly at all on the three or four K-5 I tried. But it was working on K-7, K10D and *istDS and it is working as it should on K-5 IIs. My FA*80-200 was very difficult

Re: PESOs: "I don't feel afraid...

On 11 November 2012 10:57, Derby Chang wrote: > > > I like this one. I think it deserves a surrealist title > > http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3858.html > Ceci n'est pas un oiseau (Magritte amended) Chris > On 11/11/2012 7:38 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote: >> >> ...as long as

Re: November PUG - Now Open!!

Yes, lovely gallery! Rob's Lake Jindabyne is very nice, as is Fishing for Fun. Ken's is certainly dramatic, and Poivron Vert does look yummy. Red shot with the Q is very interesting as well. Great job everyone! cheers, christine On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > G'day

Re: PAW149 - Hamburger

Yeah, but I just came back from Hamburg :-) DagT Sendt fra min iPad Den 12. nov. 2012 kl. 02:32 skrev "knarftheria...@gmail.com" : > Why is everybody talking German? > > Dag is Norwegian. > > Cheers, > frank > > --- Original Message --- > > From: John Sessoms > Sent: November 11, 2012 11

Re: PESO: morning father, i'm sure you will be happy to do some cleanup before breakfast

Yes, what Frank said. I'll add adorable because I didn't have to partake in the cleaning up. I hope hair clippers weren't needed :) Dave On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:52 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > What a beautiful, joyful photo. > > Love it! > > cheers, > frank > > --- Original Message

Re: Pixel-peeping madness

That's pretty much my thought. They got wind of the Nikon and Canon low end FF releases and their new 24mp APS-C flagship was seriously overpriced. In fact it could well be that they were planning to actually announce a 24mp FF DSLR based on the sensor family in the Sony SLT 99 which would ha

RE: PESOs: "I don't feel afraid...

Love the first one! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Chris Mitchell Sent: November 11, 2012 11/11/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: PESOs: "I don't feel afraid... ...as long as I gaze on Waterloo sunset, I am in paradise" (Thanks, Ray Davies) http://www.mitch.myzen.co.u

Re: Pixel-peeping madness

On 12 November 2012 13:05, Miserere wrote: > I still suspect Pentax have a new flagship up their sleeve that will > be released shortly for $1,600 - 1,800. Releasing the K-5II was easy, > involved minimal R&D, and they could say "look, we did release a new > camera at Photokina...TWO new cameras,

Re: OT: Election Commentary

My boss in Wisconsin was an avid hunter and a good shot. I always remember his comment was you were supposed to shoot the bear in the shoulder first to slow him down. Otherwise, you were lunch. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:36 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > Legalities aside, s

Re: Pixel-peeping madness

I've NEVER bought a camera based on pixel-peeping (in fact, I've even done the opposite and bought a camera that was pretty bad when pixel-peeped), and I agree with you, Rob, that I would only choose the K-5II(s) if its AF were better than the K-5's, given the great price of the K-5 right now. I s

Re: PAW149 - Hamburger

Why is everybody talking German? Dag is Norwegian. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: John Sessoms Sent: November 11, 2012 11/11/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PAW149 - Hamburger Das ist seltsam. Sie sieht nicht wie ein Berliner. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > Vielleicht das Frau ist

Re: FSF: Bucket full of lenses (and a camera)

You could have, Jaume. I hope the fact you didn't haunts you till your last breath :-p Since I bought the 31 Ltd shortly after acquiring all these lenses, it just didn't make sense to leave this fine lens at home while being out testing even older classics. No regrets on my part. —M. \/

Re: November PUG - Now Open!!

Bulent, Ted, Luiz, and Ken in particular, but great shots by everyone this month. Sorry I haven't had time to contribute, it would have been a privilege to be included in this gallery! stan On Nov 11, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > G'day all > > 'Prime Time' makes for a very varied

Re: PAW149 - Hamburger

Das ist seltsam. Sie sieht nicht wie ein Berliner. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Vielleicht das Frau ist eine Hamb?rger ... ? G On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:37 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I'm with you, Bruce. Wonderful photo but I'm not seeing much hamburger action there. ;-) cheers, frank

Re: November PUG - Now Open!!

I agree -- about the gallery in general and Ken's photo in particular. Love the eye of the wolf peering out toward camera, and the eye of the caribou in the lower corner, just barely in frame. A death scene that is vibrant with life. Paul On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > VEr

RE: PAW149 - Hamburger

Ich glaube das sie eine Hamburgerin sein wurde > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi > Sent: 12 November 2012 00:45 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: PAW149 - Hamburger > > LOL ... forgive the pidgin Deutsche. ;-) > > O

Re: PAW149 - Hamburger

LOL ... forgive the pidgin Deutsche. ;-) On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Vielleicht das Frau ist eine Hambürger ... ? > > G > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:37 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com > wrote: >> I'm with you, Bruce. Wonderful photo but I'm not seeing much hamburger

Re: PAW149 - Hamburger

Vielleicht das Frau ist eine Hambürger ... ? G On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:37 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm with you, Bruce. Wonderful photo but I'm not seeing much hamburger action > there. > > ;-) > > cheers, > frank > > --- Original Message --- > > From: Bruce Walker > Sent: Novem

Re: November PUG - Now Open!!

VEry nice overall, for sure... we don't need no stink'n zooms, clearly. but... the very BIG WOW! for me was Ken's "Death on the Toklat" just so damn perfect and powerful. ann On 11/11/2012 17:10, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all 'Prime Time' makes for a very varied collection this month so it'

Re: PAW149 - Hamburger

I'm with you, Bruce. Wonderful photo but I'm not seeing much hamburger action there. ;-) cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Bruce Walker Sent: November 11, 2012 11/11/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: PAW149 - Hamburger That looks cool, but I have _no_ idea what's goi

Re: OT: Election Commentary

Legalities aside, seems to me if you don't shoot to kill first shot, you're in trouble. Wounding one will just piss him/her off. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: kwal...@peoplepc.com Sent: November 11, 2012 11/11/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: OT: Election Commentar

RE: November PUG - Now Open!!

I rarely am able to choose one favourite from PUG but this month Winged Ant by Alastair Robertson is it: Slam dunk, touch down, home run, goooaaalll!! Great shot! Generally a very fine gallery as always. I always enjoy PUG Day and this month is no exception. Love that first scr

Re: OT: Election Commentary

Many years ago, while planning my first visit to Alaska - a month long backpack trip with my then 5 year old son & wife, centered around 2 weeks in Denali National Park - I investigated having a weapon with me knowing full well that we would be in Grizzly bear country. Some of my findings - A

Re: November PUG - Now Open!!

Another excellent gallery. Some particular notables for me: Fishing for Fun; Krisjanis Linkevics Restaurant Pieter, Brugge; Rick Womer And a Weston Moment award to Poivron Vert; Chris Mitchell On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > G'day all > > 'Prime Time' makes for a very v

Re: Which lens(es) has(ve) a MAXIMUM focusing length?

I know Canon has a special macro lens that goes from 1X to 5X, with a 65mm focal length. That could be it. Jostein Igor Roshchin wrote: > >In the caption to one of the images in this blog: >http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1304360703/breaking-the-rules/3 , >I read: "I was inspired to create thi

November PUG - Now Open!!

G'day all 'Prime Time' makes for a very varied collection this month so it's difficult to pick a favourite, but my top three would be: Mark's 'Criterion Theatre' Jan's 'Translucent Porcelain' Patrick's 'Walker' Erik's 'Big Yellow' OK, that's four - but I did say it was difficult. As usual,

Which lens(es) has(ve) a MAXIMUM focusing length?

In the caption to one of the images in this blog: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1304360703/breaking-the-rules/3 , I read: "I was inspired to create this series after borrowing a lens from a friend that had a maximum focusing distance of 4 inches (10 cm)." I wonder what photocamera lens would h

Re: PAW149 - Hamburger

That looks cool, but I have _no_ idea what's going on there. :-) On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:32 PM, DagT wrote: > http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html > Pentax K-5, DA70mm 1:2.4, 1/100, f/5.0, ISO400. > > DagT > http://www.thrane.name/ > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: PAW149 - Hamburger

That's another excellent pic, Dag! Dario -Messaggio originale- From: DagT Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:32 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PAW149 - Hamburger http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html Pentax K-5, DA70mm 1:2.4, 1/100, f/5.0, ISO400. Da

PAW149 - Hamburger

http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html Pentax K-5, DA70mm 1:2.4, 1/100, f/5.0, ISO400. DagT http://www.thrane.name/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly

Re: Pixel-peeping madness

On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:12 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > I could be wrong but perhaps Pentax is not thinking that the K5 II or IIS > will be so much an upgrade from a K5 as a tweaked or slightly improved model > encouraging (for instance) K7 (or older model) owners who initially resisted

Re: Pixel-peeping madness

I could be wrong but perhaps Pentax is not thinking that the K5 II or IIS will be so much an upgrade from a K5 as a tweaked or slightly improved model encouraging (for instance) K7 (or older model) owners who initially resisted upgrading to a K5 to "make the jump". Maybe it's for those looking f

Re: PESO - Curbside Smile

Thanks, Dave. Thanks as well to all who looked and commented. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: David J Brooks Sent: November 10, 2012 11/10/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: PESO - Curbside Smile Nicely framed, Dave On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:26 PM, knarftheria...@gm

RE: GESOs - slow patch

Terrific stuff! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Derby Chang Sent: November 11, 2012 11/11/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: GESOs - slow patch Hit a slow patch a few weeks ago. Happens sometimes, best just to push through. First few are with the K-5/DA35 macro. Last c

RE: OT PESO - Sadness

Very appropriate title. Touching photo. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: David Savage Sent: November 11, 2012 11/11/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: OT PESO - Sadness G'day All, I was going through my archives today and rediscovered this shot I took a few years ago that

Re: GESOs - slow patch

:) Thanks for looking, Bruce, and everyone else. Terrible typo fixed On 12/11/2012 2:56 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Lots of good stuff there, Derby. #3 in Sydney Open is a *knockout*. Book cover material. #5 in Newtown: now that's a fashion statement. :-) #10 in Rememberance [sic]: love it.

Re: Pixel-peeping madness

Based on the pixel peeping and considering the price differential I would buy a K-5II or IIs solely if they showed an appreciable improvement in AF under low light as compared with an original K-5. Practically I feel that there is no other advantage in moving from the K-5 but that just me ;) On 12

Re: GESO: Sandy's Visit to My Neighborhood

Yes, the dog kept us home to some extent. Lee might have gone to a friend's in Baltimore or another friend's in Massachusetts, but not with the dog. Plus, the gas situation made it a bit risky. I had to stay here for business reasons, and it would have been difficult to do that and take care of

RE: Peso fun with fish

Beautiful colours! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: David J Brooks Sent: November 11, 2012 11/11/12 To: Pentax Discuss , Petch Dianne , Barbara Brooks Subject: Peso fun with fish http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/8175275221/in/photostream Just a lets see what happens photo.

Re: Peso fun with fish

Quite nice! I lost all the fish in both my marine aquariums during the Sandy outages. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/8175275221/in/photostream > > Just a lets see what

RE: PESO - Smoke

the cigarette is there because he wants to draw attention away from the fact that his arse is on fire. B > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Don Guthrie > Sent: 11 November 2012 18:12 > To: pdml@pdml.net > Subject: Re: PESO - Smoke > > So Frank d

Re: PESO - Smoke

So Frank does "49 Shades of Grey" Smiles aside I like the photo. The subject looks sort of guilty with the smoke behind him and the ciggie in his hand pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 8 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:43:42 -0500 From: frank theriault To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PES

Re: PESOs: "I don't feel afraid...

On 11/11/12, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed: >http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3881.html Big Ben in the Eye is brilliant! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion -- _ --

Re: FSF: Bucket full of lenses (and a camera)

- Mensaje original - > De: Miserere > Jaume, > > At some point in my life, during the heydey of my LBA, I decided to > test as many classic 28mm lenses as I could and write a massive > comparison review. Along the way I learnt a few things: > > 1) There's no such thing as a terrible 28

Re: GESOs - slow patch

Tata...umm I mean...ta da! On 12 November 2012 01:00, Walt wrote: > My, my, my ... > > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/11/rememberance/content/bin/images/large/_DSF2292.jpg > > > On 11/11/2012 5:01 AM, Derby Chang wrote: >> >> >> Hit a slow patch a few weeks ago. Happens sometimes, best

Re: GESOs - slow patch

My, my, my ... http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/11/rememberance/content/bin/images/large/_DSF2292.jpg On 11/11/2012 5:01 AM, Derby Chang wrote: Hit a slow patch a few weeks ago. Happens sometimes, best just to push through. First few are with the K-5/DA35 macro. Last couple with the

Re: GESO: Sandy's Visit to My Neighborhood

Just now reading your longer version.. feeling how lucky I was... only 4 nights with no power .. and not so terribly cold and one night away with warmth and friends. I declined others because of Ashley - didnt want to leave her alone - is that why you guys didn't go somewhere else?( the doggie)

Re: GESOs - slow patch

Dude! Great stuff. I loved these in particular: Gotta love the fact that our weather is warming up :-P DS

Re: PESO - Smoke

Cool. (Sorry, thats all I've got) :-) DS On 11 November 2012 09:43, frank theriault wrote: > We finally saw some sun yesterday, but it's generally been pretty grey > here lately. The steam coming up from the grate enhanced that feeling > I think: > > http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/11/s

OT PESO - Sadness

G'day All, I was going through my archives today and rediscovered this shot I took a few years ago that I didn't think much of at the time: I just love the expression. Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@

RE: PESOs: "I don't feel afraid...

Il Cadavere Squisito, La Sua Esaltazione (Andre Breton) > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan > > Chris, Yes, it needs a surrealist title for sure. Regards, Bob S. > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:57 AM, Derby Chang > wrote: > > > > > > I like this one. I think it

Re: PESO - Smoke

Like a scene from a John Woo flick. Like the mood. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM, frank theriault wrote: > We finally saw some sun yesterday, but it's generally been pretty grey > here lately. The steam coming up from the grate enhanced that feeling > I think: > > http://knarfinthecity.blogspot

Re: GESOs - slow patch

Lots of good stuff there, Derby. #3 in Sydney Open is a *knockout*. Book cover material. #5 in Newtown: now that's a fashion statement. :-) #10 in Rememberance [sic]: love it. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:01 AM, Derby Chang wrote: > > Hit a slow patch a few weeks ago. Happens sometimes, best just

RE: PESO: morning father, i'm sure you will be happy to do some cleanup before breakfast

What a beautiful, joyful photo. Love it! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Krisjanis Linkevics Sent: November 10, 2012 11/10/12 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: morning father, i'm sure you will be happy to do some cleanup before breakfast Everything is fine in the world if the p

Re: GESOs - slow patch

Lovely galleries, each and every one of them. I especially like the middle one of "Hats," the girl in pink and purple in "Newtown," and "Buses taxis excepted" in the last set. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:01 AM, Derby Chang wrote: > >

Re: PESO: Early Snow

Thanks, Frank. We got a little more than 2 inches, enough to require that I shovel off the rear deck to the dog and I could safely exit and return. Other parts of Jersey got up to 8 inches. That is significant this time of year. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On S

Re: Pixel-peeping madness

I can see clear differences between the K-5, K-5II and K-5IIs in both noise management and detail preservation/resolution. But "clear" doesn't necessarily mean "large" or "useful on a practical basis". That said, based on pixel-peeping, I'd choose the K-5IIs. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> h

Re: PESO - Smoke

So that's what a sunny day in Toronto looks like. Effective image, Frank! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM, frank theriault wrote: > We finally saw some sun yesterday, but it's generally been pretty grey > here lately. The steam coming

PESO: morning father, i'm sure you will be happy to do some, cleanup before breakfast

From: Krisjanis Linkevics Everything is fine in the world if the prospect of major cleanup on a Saturday morning before coffee doesn't keep you from grabbing a few shots. http://foto.ri-ki.lv/details.php?image_id=103 kris Doesn't look like the mess will get much worse if you go ahead & drink

Re: PESOs: "I don't feel afraid...

Chris, Yes, it needs a surrealist title for sure. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:57 AM, Derby Chang wrote: > > > I like this one. I think it deserves a surrealist title > > http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3858.html > > > > On 11/11/2012 7:38 PM, Chris Mitchell wr

Re: GESOs - slow patch

Enjoyed those a lot Dave On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:01 AM, Derby Chang wrote: > > Hit a slow patch a few weeks ago. Happens sometimes, best just to push > through. > > First few are with the K-5/DA35 macro. Last couple with the X100 > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/11/hats/index.html >

Re: Mini- Geso - 5 pics from last few days

Very nice Ann Dave On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > start here and hit "next" for the most recent 5 pics I managed to get up > > http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2199792816_WJLKcqx/Large > > My eye is virtually healed so I

Re: PESOs: "I don't feel afraid...

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote: > ...as long as I gaze on Waterloo sunset, I am in paradise" (Thanks, Ray > Davies) > > http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3875.html Beautiful shot Dave > and > http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3881.h

Re: PESO - Smoke

Frank, i love this shot. You captured the rainy day feel perfectly and the square crop works here Dave On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM, frank theriault wrote: > We finally saw some sun yesterday, but it's generally been pretty grey > here lately. The steam coming up from the grate enhanced that

RE: PESO - Smoke

> That must have been a very deep draw on his ciggie. I like how you > didn't push the blacks and whites right to the edge, just to get that > dreary feeling. > > I like square crops for street, too > > Derby Chang Yes, damn those smokers fogging up the streets :) Good one. kris On 11/11/2012

GESOs - slow patch

Hit a slow patch a few weeks ago. Happens sometimes, best just to push through. First few are with the K-5/DA35 macro. Last couple with the X100 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/11/hats/index.html http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/12/11/sydneyopen/index.html http://members.iinet.net.a

Re: PESOs: "I don't feel afraid...

I like this one. I think it deserves a surrealist title http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3858.html On 11/11/2012 7:38 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote: ...as long as I gaze on Waterloo sunset, I am in paradise" (Thanks, Ray Davies) http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/sli

Re: PESO - Smoke

That must have been a very deep draw on his ciggie. I like how you didn't push the blacks and whites right to the edge, just to get that dreary feeling. I like square crops for street, too On 11/11/2012 12:43 PM, frank theriault wrote: We finally saw some sun yesterday, but it's generally

RE: PESOs: "I don't feel afraid...

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Chris Mitchell > > ...as long as I gaze on Waterloo sunset, I am in paradise" (Thanks, Ray > Davies) > > http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3875.html > and > http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3881.html

PESOs: "I don't feel afraid...

...as long as I gaze on Waterloo sunset, I am in paradise" (Thanks, Ray Davies) http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3875.html and http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/HCBandBeyond1/slides/_IMG3881.html Bob W and I went to Somerset House and saw Cartier-Bresson: A Question of Colour. Som

Re: OT: Election Commentary

On 11/11/2012 07:44, David Mann wrote: On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:12 AM, mike wilson wrote: It may have been a gummy bear [...] http://www.vat19.com/dvds/26-pound-party-gummy-bear.cfm That will kill you as surely as a toothless grizzly. Might take about the same length of time, too. -- No

Re: OT: Election Commentary

On 10/11/2012 19:53, Bob W wrote: From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of mike wilson Have to agree with P.J. about this. There was an incident last year(?) when a guy was walking no more than a mile or so from his house and was attacked by an old, dying (of starvation) Grizzly.