Re: Questions about LR database manipulations

2014-10-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
> I know that several people on PDML have extensive expertise with LR. > So, I would like to ask a few questions about the information I cannot find. > > In the context of LR: > 1. Is there any difference of how the editing information (and not just the > end result, but also the editing steps) a

Re: Using the 645z for Astrophotography at the Luminous Landscape

2014-10-06 Thread Stan Halpin
Sorry Bruce, P.J. - I misattributed your post, P.J., to Bruce. stan On Oct 7, 2014, at 12:32 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:38 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > >> On 10/6/2014 9:33 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Stanley Halpin >>> wrote: On Oct

Re: Using the 645z for Astrophotography at the Luminous Landscape

2014-10-06 Thread Stanley Halpin
On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:38 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > On 10/6/2014 9:33 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Stanley Halpin >> wrote: >>> On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: P.J. Alling wrote: > and wonder of wonders it's got some interesting information f

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity shoot

2014-10-06 Thread Ann Sanfedele
cute surprise :-) ann On 10/6/2014 20:26, Rob Studdert wrote: Hi Team, I did shoot on the day but not with Pentax so I didn't feel that I should contribute any shots. I've been a bit busy managing a new (surprise) addition to the family: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9304908/temp/DSC031

PESO: Fly General Store

2014-10-06 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Me and a friend had a nice outing down the Natchez Trace to Highway 7 on our way to locate Fly General Store in Fly TN. If you ever find yourself in Middle TN visit with mister Wilson Fly and his general store. His family has been running the general store for several generations. There is also

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Jack Davis
- Original Message - From: "Davis, Jack" To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 8:12:20 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks Glad you do, Darren. Thanks! Jack - Original Message - From: "Darren Addy" To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:31:32 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Dawn

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Jack Davis
Yeah, I see why that would trouble some. Thanks for commenting, Christine. Jack - Original Message - From: "Christine Aguila" To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:25:33 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks I like the subject, Jack, but I think the composition is a bit cluttered. Che

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks for comments including your crop suggestion. Perhaps oddly, I like the intervening tules. Jack - Original Message - From: "Bruce Walker" To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 4:34:35 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks I really like this shot, Jack. The only thing that I would

Re: OT Purple fringing explanation

2014-10-06 Thread P.J. Alling
It's nothing that a couple of aspirin and a shot of whiskey won't cure... Really not a problem at all... On 10/6/2014 8:23 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: PJ has a purple fringing problem? How unfortunate :( On 7 October 2014 11:19, Darren Addy wrote: Well, I zoomed to the 29 minute mark. I don't t

Re: OT Purple fringing explanation

2014-10-06 Thread P.J. Alling
The fringing is in the sample Jpeg imbedded in the file, and in the images rendered by both Adobe Bridge and PDCU, so if it was in the processing it's also in the processing in the cameras Jpeg engine. I read a reason for it being purple having to do with the fact that the color demosaicing al

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity shoot

2014-10-06 Thread P.J. Alling
Surprise? Don't you usually get at least several months warning? On 10/6/2014 8:26 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Hi Team, I did shoot on the day but not with Pentax so I didn't feel that I should contribute any shots. I've been a bit busy managing a new (surprise) addition to the family: https://dl

Re: Using the 645z for Astrophotography at the Luminous Landscape

2014-10-06 Thread P.J. Alling
On 10/6/2014 9:33 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: P.J. Alling wrote: and wonder of wonders it's got some interesting information for free. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/techniques/pentax_645z_as

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
I think that image is "just ducky"! On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: > I like the subject, Jack, but I think the composition is a bit cluttered. > Cheers, Christine > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Jack Davis wrote: >> >> >> >> I checked out a local

Re: PESO: Gloucester cathedral interior pano

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
Freaky and distorted. But I LOVE it! On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: > Oops, I like that a lot. Love the light, colors, texture and the "freaky" > shape! Cheers, Christine > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 5, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: >> >> Freaky and disto

Re: a hodge podge :-)

2014-10-06 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks Tim, Mark, and Dave. Cheers, Christine Sent from my iPad > On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > > There's a great picture lurking inside IMG3831; so much detail. Might > benefit from heavy-handed over-processing. > >> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Christine Aguila >> wrot

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity - is up!!

2014-10-06 Thread Christine Aguila
I agree about Rick's photo as well. Cheers, Christine Sent from my iPad > On Oct 4, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > Cotty - absolutely agree about Rick's wonderful shot and also > favor John's (Herzog?? in North Carolina? - hmmm) > > Glad you liked mine, too > > And Toralf may thi

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Christine Aguila
I like the subject, Jack, but I think the composition is a bit cluttered. Cheers, Christine Sent from my iPad > On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > > I checked out a local wildlife preserve and found the flooding well under > way. No geese yet, but > it's receiving a cover

Re: PESO: Gloucester cathedral interior pano

2014-10-06 Thread Christine Aguila
Oops, I like that a lot. Love the light, colors, texture and the "freaky" shape! Cheers, Christine Sent from my iPad > On Oct 5, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Freaky and distorted. But I like it :) > > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/gloucester1.jpg > > -- > Mark Roberts - Ph

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity shoot

2014-10-06 Thread Christine Aguila
Very cute, Rob and big congrats on the new lovely addition. Cheers, Christine Sent from my iPad > On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > > Hi Team, > > I did shoot on the day but not with Pentax so I didn't feel that I > should contribute any shots. I've been a bit busy managing a

Re: Using the 645z for Astrophotography at the Luminous Landscape

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
Not off-base at all Bruce. Scale it up and look at the fastest lenses for 4x5 or 5x7 film cameras. Same reasoning. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Stanley Halpin > wrote: >> >> On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> P.J. All

Re: Using the 645z for Astrophotography at the Luminous Landscape

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
Using the term "astrophotography" is sort of like using the term "Dr." or "PhD". It implies something that can be rather broad without revealing the particulars. Frankly, I think that calling Milky Way shots, (particularly with landscape sillouettes or light painting )"astrophotography" is a stretc

Re: American nightmares

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
I find it fascinating that Ansel Adams and Weston (and the f/64 group) continued attacking Mortensen even after he was dead. (!) Sort of modifies my view of them. They were "purists" in most senses of the word, apparently. Good for them, but I don't think that gives them the right to dictateset the

Re: OT Purple fringing explanation

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
Ah, I assumed you were referring to our earlier thread. Apologies. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > PJ has a purple fringing problem? How unfortunate :( > > On 7 October 2014 11:19, Darren Addy wrote: >> Well, I zoomed to the 29 minute mark. I don't think his explanation >>

Re: Using the 645z for Astrophotography at the Luminous Landscape

2014-10-06 Thread Bruce Walker
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> P.J. Alling wrote: >>> and wonder of wonders it's got some interesting information for free. >>> >>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/techniques/pentax_645z_astrophotography.shtml >> >>

Re: American nightmares

2014-10-06 Thread Bruce Walker
I know about many darkroom processing techniques and how much was or was not done back in the day, but, although I could see clearly that he'd manipulated those images, I wasn't specifically aware of Mortensen's work and his attempts to gain general acceptance of his heavy post processing. I find

Re: Using the 645z for Astrophotography at the Luminous Landscape

2014-10-06 Thread Stanley Halpin
On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > P.J. Alling wrote: >> and wonder of wonders it's got some interesting information for free. >> >> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/techniques/pentax_645z_astrophotography.shtml > > Excellent link, though I'm afraid that if I were to spend

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity shoot

2014-10-06 Thread Bruce Walker
Future model is born? :) Congratulations, Rob! On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > Hi Team, > > I did shoot on the day but not with Pentax so I didn't feel that I > should contribute any shots. I've been a bit busy managing a new > (surprise) addition to the family: > > https:/

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity shoot

2014-10-06 Thread Pete McIntosh
On 7/10/2014 11:26, Rob Studdert wrote: Hi Team, I did shoot on the day but not with Pentax so I didn't feel that I should contribute any shots. I've been a bit busy managing a new (surprise) addition to the family: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9304908/temp/DSC03102.JPG Shot with my alw

Final PUG Themes for 2015

2014-10-06 Thread Brian Walters
G'day all Here the list for 2015, based mainly on suggestions received. January: Abstract February: On the Beach March: Curved April: Panorama May: Celebrating Autumn/Spring June: The Lake July: Open Gallery August: Simplicity September: Synchronicity - World Photography Day October: Wind Novemb

October PUG - Synchronicity shoot

2014-10-06 Thread Rob Studdert
Hi Team, I did shoot on the day but not with Pentax so I didn't feel that I should contribute any shots. I've been a bit busy managing a new (surprise) addition to the family: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9304908/temp/DSC03102.JPG Shot with my always handy Sony RX100M2 Cheers, -- Rob S

Re: OT Purple fringing explanation

2014-10-06 Thread Rob Studdert
PJ has a purple fringing problem? How unfortunate :( On 7 October 2014 11:19, Darren Addy wrote: > Well, I zoomed to the 29 minute mark. I don't think his explanation > really applies in the case of P.J.s photo because I don't think the > fringing is in front of the plane of focus. It is just aro

Re: OT Purple fringing explanation

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
Well, I zoomed to the 29 minute mark. I don't think his explanation really applies in the case of P.J.s photo because I don't think the fringing is in front of the plane of focus. It is just around the transition area of white (to darker). I'm sure that if Zeiss would send P.J. an Otus 85mm for use

Re: PESO: Gloucester cathedral interior pano

2014-10-06 Thread Rob Studdert
Nice, I bet it would look fine on a cylindrical monitor ;) On 6 October 2014 03:32, Mark Roberts wrote: > Freaky and distorted. But I like it :) > > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/gloucester1.jpg > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-

Re: OT Purple fringing explanation

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
The first time I tried watching that video (a week or so ago) it literally put me to sleep, in the middle. I'll have to give it another try in the morning when I am full of caffeine. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > Hi Guys, > > As much as I don't like Matt this video where h

Re: American nightmares

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
It also occurs to me that Bruce (and everybody else in this "room") already knew about Mortensen's techniques and history and his "Photoshopping" comment was not tongue-in-cheek at all. Oh well, wouldn't be the first time the joke was on me. :) That forthcoming book "American Grotesque" has an ent

Re: Video on photos recreating a PanAm flight

2014-10-06 Thread Rob Studdert
Great video, thanks! On 3 October 2014 23:32, Bruce Walker wrote: > This is the link with all the tech info. Great read! > > http://www.mpkelley.com/pan-am-flies-again > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-best-flying-experience-ever-perfectly-

Re: American nightmares

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
A bit more on some of Mortensen's "photoshopping" techniques: "Figure 1.16 In his essay "Fallacies of ‘Pure Photography',” Mortensen challenged the hypothesis of Group f/64 by stating, "Purists and puritans alike have been marked by a crusading devotion to self-defined fundamentals, by a tendency t

Re: American nightmares

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
http://hyperallergic.com/58916/dreaming-in-argentina-when-juan-peron-was-president/ Quote from the above link: "Before discussing Stern’s work, I want to say something about William Mortensen (1897–1965), who was both a photographer and the author of numerous manuals and books, including Madonnas

OT Purple fringing explanation

2014-10-06 Thread Rob Studdert
Hi Guys, As much as I don't like Matt this video where he interviews Dr Hubert Nasse from Zeiss contains some interesting info (and displays Matt's ignorance of even basic optics) particularly at around 29 mins where there is an explanation of the reason that purple fringing occurs when using old

Re: American nightmares

2014-10-06 Thread Darren Addy
Bruce is being tongue-in-cheek with his "Photoshopping" comment, but there was lots of photo manipulation being done in film days (and before) both at the negative and in the printing (as with the work of one of my photographic hero's Jerry Uelsmann.) I wouldn't be surprised if http://120pearls.wo

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Bruce Walker
I really like this shot, Jack. The only thing that I would change were it mine is to crop about half of the distance from the bottom to the spit (preserving the reflected duck heads). Were you tempted to caption this: "Cluster Duck"? On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > I

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity - is up!!

2014-10-06 Thread Bruce Walker
Thank you, Ann. I'm pretty sure that the only two shots of those trees I've shown anywhere are these. I have taken hundreds of shots of that stand alone, but no matter what distance or angle they always disappointed me until the fog rolled in a couple of mornings in a row. A few days later -- with

Re: American nightmares

2014-10-06 Thread Bruce Walker
Very cool, but I suspect Photoshopping. :) Thanks for that article, Bob. My kind of stuff. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > Some good stuff here: > > http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/oct/06/american-nightmares-the-photography-of-william-mortensen > > B > >

Re: GESO my September "faves"

2014-10-06 Thread Larry Colen
Ann Sanfedele wrote: I like all of them this time... even though the musicians are not my kinda thing usually, it is well done within that context. I started to comment yesterday but I got distracted looking for my bird book to look up photo 5... couldn't find it, but googled "Godwit" , that be

PESOS Mondegreen and Palimpsest

2014-10-06 Thread Larry Colen
Mondegreen: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/15439868146/ Palimpsest: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/15276089439 Walking down to photograph palimpsest, my camera slipped around, the lens hit my elbow and I heard something hit the ground. Now, I can't find the lens cap to my 16-5

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity - is up!!

2014-10-06 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Bruce Walker : This is a fascinating gallery; the synchronicity theme was a great idea! Quite enjoyed this snapshot from around the globe. Agreed! One of the good things about the Synchronicity theme is that it forces us to go out a take a photo - rather than sifting through the arc

American nightmares

2014-10-06 Thread Bob W-PDML
Some good stuff here: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/oct/06/american-nightmares-the-photography-of-william-mortensen B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directl

Re: Using the 645z for Astrophotography at the Luminous Landscape

2014-10-06 Thread Larry Colen
P.J. Alling wrote: and wonder of wonders it's got some interesting information for free. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/techniques/pentax_645z_astrophotography.shtml Excellent link, though I'm afraid that if I were to spend $10K on a 645Z, I wouldn't have any money left over for the $500

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Jack Davis
I have my people ready to prepare a billing just as soon as I decide how many zeros should follow the numbers. Jack - Original Message - From: "Igor PDML-StR" To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 11:46:37 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks Jack, yep, those are regular soap bubbles.

Re: PESO: What have we done?!

2014-10-06 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Thank you, Tim, Ann, and Dave for your response. Special thanks to Ann for encouraging me to edit this photo. Actually, I had tried to darken that lit part, but it was requiring a more careful work to be done, so, I didn't go all the way with its processing. So, the photo is updated: http://

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Jack, yep, those are regular soap bubbles. It was a family walk in the park during my short trip to Moscow this past summer, and we were blowing bubbles with the kids. The condition (probably because of the relatively high humidity and moderate temperature) was such that some of those bubbles l

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Jack Davis
Your ducks are uniquely "sharp", Igor. Are those bubbles in the air in the single duck shot? Thanks for commenting. You'll be receiving a bill for using some of my space. ;-) Jack - Original Message - From: "Igor PDML-StR" To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:37:09 AM Subject: R

Re: Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Jack, I like wild ducks (in many different ways). However, I've always struggled getting a good photo of them: I couldn't find a composition that works for me. I like what you've got. If this photo were mine, I probably would try to play with sharpening with masking (on unsharp filter), to hi

Re: PESO: Gloucester cathedral interior pano

2014-10-06 Thread Mark Roberts
Attila Boros wrote: >On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Mark Roberts >wrote: > >> Attila Boros wrote: >> >>>Interesting presentation. After inhaling some incense, you'll see a >>>perfectly straight curve >> >> Have you ever read The Name of the Rose? :-) > >No, but I saw the movie twice. I neve

Peso: Dawn Ducks

2014-10-06 Thread Jack Davis
I checked out a local wildlife preserve and found the flooding well under way. No geese yet, but it's receiving a covering of migrating ducks. Liked the lighting and the setting in general, so am posting. Comments invited, of course. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=8

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity - is up!!

2014-10-06 Thread Ann Sanfedele
BRuck that black and white shot is gorgeous! I think you did show it to us before... or is there yet another shot at a distance, of those.. maybe in color? ann On 10/6/2014 10:03, Bruce Walker wrote: Thanks, Dave. That's not a bad idea, so I've noted the spot where I was most likely standing. M

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity - is up!!

2014-10-06 Thread Jack Davis
Feels like a familiar image, if somewhat further away. IOW, it was a scene to remember. Jack - Original Message - From: "Bruce Walker" To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:03:30 AM Subject: Re: October PUG - Synchronicity - is up!! Thanks, Dave. That's not a bad idea, so I've n

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity - is up!!

2014-10-06 Thread Bruce Walker
This is a fascinating gallery; the synchronicity theme was a great idea! Quite enjoyed this snapshot from around the globe. On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > G'day all > > Twenty submissions this month - it seems the 'Synchronicity' theme was a > popular one. Many and varied

Re: October PUG - Synchronicity - is up!!

2014-10-06 Thread Bruce Walker
Thanks, Dave. That's not a bad idea, so I've noted the spot where I was most likely standing. Might have to take a print along with me when I go for the next season. :) I've been documenting this park in all seasons, though admittedly light on winter. A closeup of the stand of three trees to the l

Re: PESO: Gloucester cathedral interior pano

2014-10-06 Thread Attila Boros
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Attila Boros wrote: > >>Interesting presentation. After inhaling some incense, you'll see a >>perfectly straight curve > > Have you ever read The Name of the Rose? :-) No, but I saw the movie twice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@p

Re: PESO: Gloucester cathedral interior pano

2014-10-06 Thread Mark Roberts
Attila Boros wrote: >Interesting presentation. After inhaling some incense, you'll see a >perfectly straight curve Have you ever read The Name of the Rose? :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please vi

Re: PESO: Gloucester cathedral interior pano

2014-10-06 Thread Attila Boros
Interesting presentation. After inhaling some incense, you'll see a perfectly straight curve On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Freaky and distorted. But I like it :) > > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/gloucester1.jpg > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.ro

Re: PESO - In The Mudroom

2014-10-06 Thread Attila Boros
Lovely kitty, never saw a camera before:) On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Mark C wrote: > http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/in-the-mudroom > > This used to be a true mudroom - buildt onto the exterior of the house, no > electricity except for the over head light, just bare tongue a

Re: OT: Naked Beauty

2014-10-06 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 6 Oct 2014, at 08:12, P.J. Alling wrote: > >> On 10/6/2014 3:07 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >> On 6 Oct 2014, at 02:27, Ken Waller wrote: >> I'm not familiar with which model this is. Do you happen to know? >>> Its an F4 Phantom - a Viet Nam era jet - Its not in active duty. >> We still use

Re: OT: Naked Beauty

2014-10-06 Thread P.J. Alling
On 10/6/2014 3:07 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 6 Oct 2014, at 02:27, Ken Waller wrote: I'm not familiar with which model this is. Do you happen to know? Its an F4 Phantom - a Viet Nam era jet - Its not in active duty. We still use them over here for door-step milk deliveries in High Wycombe. I

Re: OT: Naked Beauty

2014-10-06 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 6 Oct 2014, at 02:27, Ken Waller wrote: >> I'm not familiar with which model this is. Do you happen to know? > > Its an F4 Phantom - a Viet Nam era jet - Its not in active duty. We still use them over here for door-step milk deliveries in High Wycombe. > > It was Dan M.'s ride. > >>> [..