Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Larry Colen
I don't think his question was whether it was art, but whether it was photography. Probably in much the same way was whether a collage that a second grade makes of pictures cut from a magazine is photography. On February 23, 2015 12:16:57 AM PST, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: The word

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
Yeah, Peter and Ken are quite unique, thankfully! Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:17:00 PM Subject: Re: OT more on Peter Lik Quoting John sesso...@earthlink.net: Sounds

Re: WHITE STORKS

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
Glad to see the Wildebeest Sunday Lunch shot in the group, Alan. All enjoyable! Jack - Original Message - From: Alan C c...@lantic.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 11:23:11 PM Subject: WHITE STORKS A huge flock of White Storks (several

Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
Enjoyed your Road trip, Brian! Eastbound Freight was certainly amoung my favorites. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:21:02 PM Subject: Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

Re: PESO's -- Assorted

2015-02-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
PJ, That dog wants something from you! Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: Nice spring house cleaning, Peter. Enjoyed the look! Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Sunday Lunch

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
Really nice image, Alan! Jack - Original Message - From: Alan C c...@lantic.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:44:10 PM Subject: Sunday Lunch Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/

Re: PESO's -- Assorted

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
Nice spring house cleaning, Peter. Enjoyed the look! Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:55:21 PM Subject: PESO's -- Assorted I'm doing a little computer housekeeping and

Re: Sunday Lunch

2015-02-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Fantastic mother child wilflife photos. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/ Both with the HD

whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? It struck me when I was photographing the flaw in the fur I could have some fun in photoshop and add

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
never saw that post On 2/23/2015 11:22, Jack Davis wrote: Well, I was also right when I thought Christine (didn't see Bulent's guess) was right. :\ Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23,

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
Well, I was also right when I thought Christine (didn't see Bulent's guess) was right. :\ Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:48:19 AM Subject: whatzit revealed.. Christine and

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
ah - well now I'm remembering Bulent sent his answer to me off list Ok - more coffee more coffee ann :-) On 2/23/2015 11:54, Jack Davis wrote: I just sent a clarification. :) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: p.s. JAck - So you never

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
Oh, sorry, It's a U.S. slang truncation of what is it. Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 12:58:58 PM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. You're the one who quoted it. I was hoping you would

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread John
The buyer of Lik's magnum opus may not be as dumb as you think. I would be very surprised if there wasn't some kind of tax write-off scam involved that more than paid back the purchase price. On 2/23/2015 3:00 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: The art world is made up of people with more money than

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread John
No, I meant the line give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Whose line was *that*? Google gives me lots of links to where I can buy T-shirts mugs with it imprinted, but nothing about who originally said it. On 2/23/2015 4:03 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Oh, sorry, It's a U.S. slang truncation of what

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
all I remember is fuzzy wuzzy waznit fuzzY ann waz he? On 2/23/2015 14:04, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re:

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread John
You're the one who quoted it. I was hoping you would know the origin. On 2/23/2015 2:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread John
On 2/23/2015 2:02 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: John wrote: On 2/23/2015 3:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. I

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread steve harley
On 2015-02-23 8:48 , Ann Sanfedele wrote: Christine and Bulent share honors getting it right but Steve Harley's story really made my day :-) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Neustadter-full-length-raccoon-coat-circa-1950-/201291801093? thought so — looks like it took a whole family to make

Re: peso - whatzit?

2015-02-23 Thread steve harley
On 2015-02-20 21:46 , Ann Sanfedele wrote: Steve, do you ever listen to Wait, Wait Dont tell me? You get points for the best story - even though I haven't read any others thanks — yes i've listened to it on occasion, but not much recently; my favorite radio station, KGNU, dropped NPR several

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Mark Roberts
John wrote: On 2/23/2015 3:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be representative of what was in front of the camera. I understand exactly what matters to the art world.

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Bob W-PDML
Yes, I know what his question was. Photography as he describes it is not what matters to the art world. He's making a big mistake if he thinks it does. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 10:32, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I don't think his question was whether it was art, but whether it was

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original Message - From: John sesso...@earthlink.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:45:40 AM Subject: Re: whatzit revealed.. Yeah, but whose line was wazit? On 2/23/2015 12:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Your

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread P.J. Alling
The art world is made up of people with more money than brains, or taste, and the con-men who bilk them, It's an entire ecosystem from produces of shit to purveyors of shit to consumers of shit. Lik has found out how to get the consumers of shit to consume his with out the help of the

Reflections on packing for a trip

2015-02-23 Thread Stanley Halpin
I am just back from a three-week trip which included some time in Argentina, an Antarctica drive-by, etc. During my preparations I agonized over my lens choices; I wanted to take a minimal kit without jeopardizing my chance of getting a once-in-a-lifetime shot in the alleyways of Buenos Aires,

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Bob W-PDML
You're confusing the art market with the art world, and people who buy and sell art with people who appreciate and enjoy it. There are vastly more people who appreciate it than who buy it. If you think it's all shit then that's ok, but if you can't defend the claim, then there's really no hope

Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

2015-02-23 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net: Enjoyed your Road trip, Brian! Eastbound Freight was certainly amoung my favorites. Thanks, Jack. It's one of my favourites too possibly because it's not the sort of scene that we can see in this part of the world. -- Cheers Brian

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
Oh yeah, that's the guy who had no hair. Right ? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: all I remember is fuzzy wuzzy waznit fuzzY ann waz he? On 2/23/2015 14:04, Jack Davis wrote: I give up. Enlighten me! Jack - Original

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread P.J. Alling
I don't know for sure but it could be the words of Jim Davis through the mouth of his not so lovable creation Garfield. On 2/23/2015 4:23 PM, John wrote: No, I meant the line give me coffee and no one gets hurt! Whose line was *that*? Google gives me lots of links to where I can buy T-shirts

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: You're confusing the art market with the art world EXACTLY! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: Sunday Lunch

2015-02-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Great images! But ewe gnu that! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16619478282/

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Larry Colen
P.J. Alling wrote: I don't think it's all shit, however when art is defined as anything the artist says it is, than everything and nothing is art. There are many reasons that I consider myself a photographer rather than an artist. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) --

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread P.J. Alling
I don't think it's all shit, however when art is defined as anything the artist says it is, than everything and nothing is art. I found it appalling that a 12x12 room filled a foot deep with Pennsylvania loam was art, about 20 years ago. It was valued at about a Million Dollars. You could

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
I'm not going to be any help. I get a foggy faint memory of either a TV or movie scene from several years back In which someone walks into a kitchen and uttered the line. It stuck With me. Jack with me. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 1:23 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:

Re: whatzit revealed..

2015-02-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/df/65/9f/df659f58df3a5398b4726532d9b0774f.jpgimgrefurl=https://www.pinterest.com/kelly789white/garfield/h=236w=236tbnid=2oDBUCFUajpRvM:zoom=1docid=TO0uFBH4udvL2Mei=oKrrVPPlDZP7sATTuoD4CQtbm=ischved=0CEQQMygcMBw Dan

Re: PESO's -- Assorted

2015-02-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I Love the Dog image! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:55 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing a little computer housekeeping and found a re-writeable CD with a few images I was obviously intending to post, but

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Bob W-PDML
The word is giclée and it's not made up, it's French. It means a jet of liquid which squirts out of something. It's also used of a burst of machine-gun fire. Like Lik and Vettriano and others, you seem to misunderstand fundamentally what matters to the art world. Rhine II is not supposed to be

Re: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Bob W-PDML
It's completely irrelevant in the context of the art world whether he used Photoshop or not, or what media it's printed on or what type of camera he used, and none of that has any bearing at all on prices. B On 23 Feb 2015, at 00:59, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Not that I

Re: Sunday Lunch

2015-02-23 Thread Bob W-PDML
Very nice On 23 Feb 2015, at 06:20, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Sorry. Just scroll left. Alan C -Original Message- From: John Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sunday Lunch Both links go to the same photo. ;-D On

Re: Sunday Lunch

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
Click one frame to the right for the second..it appears a likely image from the description. Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:05:31 PM Subject: Re: Sunday Lunch Nice shot, Alan!

Re: Sunday Lunch

2015-02-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Nice shot, Alan! - but I only see one - that is the second link is the same as the first. ann On 2/23/2015 17:42, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Great images! But ewe gnu that! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net

Re: Sunday Lunch

2015-02-23 Thread Rick Womer
I hoof to admit I agree with Dan. Rick On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Great images! But ewe gnu that! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Two catches in Kruger yesterday

Re: PESO - Media

2015-02-23 Thread Marco Alpert
Thanks, Christine! m On Feb 22, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote: On 2/16/2015 18:36, Marco Alpert wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso29.html Fun! Well seen! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Sunday Lunch

2015-02-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Thanks, Jack ewe knew? I guess from Dan's word play it is this one then :-) https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16620118435/ (didn't see an option to do that when I landed at first - flickr is not my friend) ann On 2/23/2015 19:50, Jack Davis wrote: Click one frame to the right

OT: Word Crimes

2015-02-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
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Re: GESO - Roadtrip USA; Part 2

2015-02-23 Thread Eric Weir
On Feb 8, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Here's the gallery of the second half of our western USA adventure - from eastern Wyoming across to the Pacific North-west and back down to southern California. It includes a few photos taken by my wife and son. As

A couple of questions about Full Spectrum conversion...(K-01)

2015-02-23 Thread Darren Addy
Greetings, I'm considering saving my nickels to get my K-01 converted to a full spectrum camera. If I'm not mistaken there are a few on the PDML that have gone this route. I'm not clear on whether BOTH IR-Cut filter and the AA filter is removed as part of the process. With a Canon these are

Re: Reflections on packing for a trip

2015-02-23 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Stan, That's an interesting post to read. I am also frequently facing the decision of what lenses to take on a particular trip (as many of people here do), but with somewhat different constraints and boundary conditions. In most cases, I am limited to what fits in the bag that qualifies as

RE: OT more on Peter Lik

2015-02-23 Thread Malcolm Smith
Bruce Walker wrote: So is Lik's work resellable for a lot of money? Apparently, not so much. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/business/peter-liks-recipe-for- success-sell-prints-print-money.html I quite like the image talked about here, although not for the sum involved. He thinks the

Re: Sunday Lunch

2015-02-23 Thread Jack Davis
I think that's a right good guess. Jack Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Thanks, Jack ewe knew? I guess from Dan's word play it is this one then :-) https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/16620118435/ (didn't see an

Re: A couple of questions about Full Spectrum conversion...(K-01)

2015-02-23 Thread Larry Colen
I had mine done at pro camera repair in San Diego. I don't think that they removed the AA filter, you could ask them yourself: http://www.procamerarepair.com/ Darren Addy wrote: Greetings, I'm considering saving my nickels to get my K-01 converted to a full spectrum camera. If I'm not