RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Jens Bladt
Well... Canons don't always get what you exåect. I danish guy wrote this at Photo.net: Can anybody help. I have just been to Miami to shoot for a danish magazine and around all my photos (90%) is out of focus ? i use a EOS 1Ds camara and with EF 24-70 L USM - EF 100 USM macro and a 70-200 L USM

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/1/05, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: Well... Canons don't always get what you exåect. I danish guy wrote this at Photo.net: Can anybody help. I have just been to Miami to shoot for a danish magazine and around all my photos (90%) is out of focus ? i use a EOS 1Ds camara and with

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/1/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: T answer his question: Yes, there's is a difference. Due to the grater enlargement (crop factor) the shutter speed necessary to freeze movent must be divided by the crop factor: If i.e. a 250mm is used: 1/250 divided by i.e. 1.5 = 1/375 sec. 90%

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/1/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: T answer his question: Yes, there's is a difference. Due to the grater enlargement (crop factor) the shutter speed necessary to freeze movent must be divided by the crop factor: If i.e. a 250mm is used: 1/250 divided

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Cotty wrote: Well cut the fellow a little slack, Cotty. Perhaps he just isn't too bright. After all, he *is* a Canon user. ;-) ARGHH Point taken LOL I thought Jens shoots Pentax! ;-))) Kostas

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Peter Lacus
I thought Jens shoots Pentax! ;-))) better shoot with Pentax than being shot by Canon ;-) Bedo.

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/1/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/1/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: T answer his question: Yes, there's is a difference. Due to the grater enlargement (crop factor) the shutter speed necessary to freeze movent must be divided by

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) I mean for crying out loud, it's a 1Ds - there *is no crop factor* involved - it's a full frame camera. What planet do these people come from ? Uranus. Or if not ur's, somebody's

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Graywolf
- From: Cotty Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) I mean for crying out loud, it's a 1Ds - there *is no crop factor* involved - it's a full frame camera. What planet do these people come from ? Uranus. Or if not ur's, somebody's. This allows me to bring

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Jens Bladt
Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) On 17/1/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/1/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: T answer his question: Yes, there's is a difference. Due to the grater enlargement (crop

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Jens Bladt
. januar 2005 10:24 Til: pentax list Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) On 17/1/05, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: Well... Canons don't always get what you exåect. I danish guy wrote this at Photo.net: Can anybody help. I have just been to Miami to shoot

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Jens Bladt
(was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) On 17/1/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: T answer his question: Yes, there's is a difference. Due to the grater enlargement (crop factor) the shutter speed necessary to freeze movent must be divided by the crop factor: If i.e. a 250mm is used: 1/250

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Herb Chong
does. Herb... - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:01 AM Subject: RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) I agree. But my point was that there's no locking on to the subject. It's

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Ryan Brooks
Herb Chong wrote: the 1Ds does lock on a subject and track its motion provided that it stays under any one of the focus points. it will track a moving bird or football player provided that you aim the camera roughly aimed correctly. no Pentax camera does this well enough to really useful, but

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/1/05, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: I agree, Cotty. He probably had the camera choose the wrong focus points most of the time. Furthermore 1/250 sec. is perhaps a bit on the slow side. Yes but for what focal length? and at what ISO?? And what was the condition of the

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Jens Bladt
- Fra: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. januar 2005 12:48 Til: pentax list Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) On 17/1/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: T answer his question: Yes, there's is a difference. Due to the grater enlargement (crop factor

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Peter J. Alling
If we knew, could we send them back? Cotty wrote: On 17/1/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: T answer his question: Yes, there's is a difference. Due to the grater enlargement (crop factor) the shutter speed necessary to freeze movent must be divided by the crop factor: If i.e. a 250mm is

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Peter J. Alling
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. januar 2005 12:48 Til: pentax list Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) On 17/1/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: T answer his question: Yes, there's is a difference. Due to the grater enlargement (crop factor) the shutter

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Peter J. Alling
Oooh, good one! Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/1/05, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: T answer his question: Yes, there's is a difference. Due to the grater enlargement (crop factor) the shutter speed necessary to freeze movent must be divided by the crop

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Peter J. Alling
PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. januar 2005 22:42 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) Just the Canon, and the Kodak semi twins, (c/n), are full frame as far as I can recall. Jens Bladt wrote: I don't know the 1Ds. But, I believe 95% of all

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-17 Thread Jens Bladt
. januar 2005 02:46 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) You're right and a good example of why Pentax abandoned marketing the MZ-D or whatever it would have been called. Jens Bladt wrote: Didn't Contax make one too? Jens Bladt mailto

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-16 Thread Jens Bladt
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. januar 2005 00:53 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) tracking and locking are the same thing in most manufacturer's literature. Herb - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-16 Thread Jens Bladt
-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) Yes. ...what they all will say, in order to sell. Don't believe everything you read in an ad! I guess tracking describes the currently available AF functions better than locking. What they mean by locking is simply

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/1/05, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: I handled one of the very first five Canon D1's, when they first came to Europe (2001?) at a Canon presentation in Cork, Ireland. It had 45 focus points. The viewfinder was totally covered with focus points - they lit up like the neon lights of

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-16 Thread Jens Bladt
:48 AM Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) About locking onto something: To me this means focusing on a subject, then stay focused at the same subject, even if it moves. No camera that I know of does this. Not even the Canon D1. The 1D can do

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-16 Thread Herb Chong
: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) About locking onto something: To me this means focusing on a subject, then stay focused at the same subject, even if it moves. No camera that I know of does this. Not even the Canon D1. The 1D can do this no problem. It also has predictive focussing so

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-16 Thread Herb Chong
every time isn't the issue. 90% is good enough to make not using it when available stupid. Herb... - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-16 Thread Jens Bladt
] Sendt: 17. januar 2005 01:33 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) every time isn't the issue. 90% is good enough to make not using it when available stupid. Herb... - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-15 Thread mike wilson
, January 14, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) Herb Chong wrote: you obviously haven't done any lately then. even the *istD locks onto flying birds. and it's one of the slowest out there nowadays at continuous AF. That's not the same as locking on.

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-15 Thread Herb Chong
] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) But _as Jens said_ it is not the same as locking on in weaponry, which is an active system compared to autofocus. Not the correct terminology, I know

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-15 Thread Jens Bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. januar 2005 00:04 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) the Nikon and Canon cameras can track an object wandering across the FOV once it has acquired focus once

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-15 Thread Herb Chong
tracking and locking are the same thing in most manufacturer's literature. Herb - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-14 Thread mike wilson
@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) In any case, I suspect Jens is saying that locking on in (autofocus) photography is not the same as locking on using guided weaponry. In other words, the weaponry will stay

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-14 Thread Herb Chong
Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) Herb Chong wrote: you obviously haven't done any lately then. even the *istD locks onto flying birds

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-13 Thread mike wilson
- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:19 AM Subject: RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) Cameras cannot lock on to anything. Like an electronic weapon system in an F18-Hornet. I wish it could. It can

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-13 Thread Herb Chong
Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) In any case, I suspect Jens is saying that locking on in (autofocus) photography is not the same as locking on using guided weaponry. In other words, the weaponry will stay locked on to its target unless drastic

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-12 Thread Herb Chong
@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:19 AM Subject: RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) Cameras cannot lock on to anything. Like an electronic weapon system in an F18-Hornet. I wish it could. It can only focus on a subject/distance. Then perhaps refocus

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-12 Thread Herb Chong
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:19 AM Subject: RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) Cameras cannot lock on to anything. Like an electronic weapon system in an F18-Hornet

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2005-01-11, at 00:47, John Coyle wrote: My experience with the AF of the MZ-S and the *istD tells me that the MZ-S is far better than the digital, with any of the lens I have used on both cameras. I find the MZ-S very quick and accurate, and able to AF in very dim conditions and low

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Boy, you have me confused. I have shot a lot of weddings, and I don't recall action shots being a part of it. If you can't focus follow someone walking down the aisle, then perhaps you might consider that action. I never use AF for weddings. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, January 11, 2005,

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Bruce Dayton wrote on 11.01.05 16:29: Boy, you have me confused. I have shot a lot of weddings, and I don't recall action shots being a part of it. If you can't focus follow someone walking down the aisle, then perhaps you might consider that action. I never use AF for weddings. Bruce, it's

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) Boy, you have me confused. I have shot a lot of weddings, and I don't recall action shots being a part of it. If you can't focus follow someone walking down the aisle

(Now OT): Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread jtainter
Sylwek wrote: And that was a reason why I had to sell *istD - disappointment during weddings at low light. Then Bruce wrote: Boy, you have me confused. I have shot a lot of weddings, and I don't recall action shots being a part of it. I believe he was referring to the ancient custom, still

RE: (Now OT): Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread Tom C
I believe he was referring to the ancient custom, still practiced in some remote villages, wherein the bridesmaids perform a whirling sword dance while tossing babies in the air, while the groom's friends ride a circle around them on half-wild horses batting a severed sheep's head with long

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Sylwester, Guess I'm with Shel on this one. My experience with AF is that it is either inprecise or that it tends to cause you to compose poorer than you would have using manual focus. Here is my reasoning. The AF sensor (doesn't matter camera brand) is of a certain size. When the focal

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread Herb Chong
be fooled into locking on the wrong thing first and after that, all bets are off. Herb - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sylwester Pietrzyk pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom

Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
on the wrong thing first and after that, all bets are HC off. HC Herb HC - Original Message - HC From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] HC To: Sylwester Pietrzyk pentax-discuss@pdml.net HC Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:29 AM HC Subject: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens

RE: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-11 Thread Jens Bladt
- Fra: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 12. januar 2005 01:20 Til: Herb Chong Emne: Re: *istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments) There are an awful lot of possible points of focus on a person - ear, eye, nose, mouth, chin, forehead, etc. Locking on to what is exactly

*istD AF performance (was Re: Sigma 2.8 Zoom lens comments)

2005-01-10 Thread John Coyle
My experience with the AF of the MZ-S and the *istD tells me that the MZ-S is far better than the digital, with any of the lens I have used on both cameras. I find the MZ-S very quick and accurate, and able to AF in very dim conditions and low contrast. On the other hand, using the *istD at