ut it is important to get the facts right before
> >suggesting a course of action for the present.
> >
> >Nenad
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday
offence intended but it is important to get the facts right before
>suggesting a course of action for the present.
>
>Nenad
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:1
This I don't understand. We free the Afghans from their oppressive but
ineffective government.
Some of them die as a result, but the rest are much better off with time,
especially if we help
them recover. Thousands of Americans and others Chinese, various Europeans
etc. have been killed
becau
/raimo.korhonen
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Aihe: Re: Vs: Bombing Japan - private
>Raimo Korhonen wrote:
>>
>> Actually civilians have always suff
I was a bombadier in Viet Nam. Believe me, we carpet bombed the jungle, but,
for the most part, and until almost the very end, we were forbidden to target
cities in North Viet Nam. Northern China was entirely out-of bounds, although
supplie depots were there. For much of the war, we were forbid
Bob:
It's a habit we MUST maintain. First, however, we must remove the threat to peace and
our
security then on to mending fences and bringing the agressors into the community of
civilized
peoples. I belong to a small sect that is obligated, not only to forgive our enemies,
but to
pray for t
Nenad Djurdjevic wrote:
>
> Not sure about Korea but the as far as Vietnam is concerned I have to bring
> to your attention that the US carpet bombed North Vietnam indiscriminately
> dropping a considerably higher tonnage of bombs than on Germany in WW2.
> They also used napalm and dropped highly
nt.
Nenad
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From: Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Bombing Japan - private
> I disagree most strongly, sir.
>
> These terrorist, and those who attacked the WTC p
Raimo Korhonen wrote:
>
> Actually civilians have always suffered the most. The diseases and famine that came
>with the 30 years war which ended 1648 left more than 50% of the people dead in many
>parts of Germany. The Great Nordic war (I do not know what it is really called in
>English) which
I do not credit this theory. Nonetheless, the consequences of the Soviet
Union occupying all or even some of Japan could have been catastrophic, for
Japan and the rest of the world.
Dan
Anthony Farr wrote:
> Another theory as to the reason for the A-bomb attacks on Japan was that
> the Soviet a
.
All the best!
Raimo
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Päivä: 13. syyskuuta 2001 4:44
Aihe: Re: Bombing Jap
You blame the victim?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The attack on Pearl Harbor was unprecedented and without warning. The forces
> that moved the Japanese to attack included actions by the USA cutting off
> Japanese access to oil in the pacific. We, through ignorance or hubris,
> share part of th
Alan:
Once again, I invite you to read "Flags of our Fathers" or one of the other
excellent books about the battle of Iwo Jima. The Japanese army was very well
trained, dedicated, professional, and willing to die, to the man, for their
country and their emperor. After that battle, and the great
I disagree most strongly, sir.
These terrorist, and those who attacked the WTC previously and various embassies, have
the full support of several nations. These states provide them with shelter, money,
training and encouragement. The religious leaders and political leaders of these
countries te
Until now we didn't consider ourselves to be at war. You don't kill civilians,
or soldiers for that matter if you are not at war.
At 09:35 PM 9/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Ken,
>
>With the greatest of respect, civilians have been on the front lines since
>German bombers, supporting Franco, carpet
Ken,
With the greatest of respect, civilians have been on the front lines since
German bombers, supporting Franco, carpet bombed Madrid. After that, it
was civilians in London and Manchester, in the Battle of Britain. Then it
was civilians in Dresden, Nuremburg, Hamburg, Tokyo, Hiroshima and
Na
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< To be completely correct, "the only real surprise" was when Japan made
a sneak attach on Pearl Harbor and sucked the United States into a war
it wanted no part of. After that any attack on a Japanese city should
have been a forgone conclusion.>>
Ken,
The
Frank,
Today's terrorists have rewritten the rules of war. In prior wars
there were soldiers and there were civilians. Civilians are now on the
front lines as evidenced by yesterday's attack on the World Trade
Center. Terrorists use the only thing they understand to get their
way...force.
To be completely correct, "the only real surprise" was when Japan made
a sneak attach on Pearl Harbor and sucked the United States into a war
it wanted no part of. After that any attack on a Japanese city should
have been a forgone conclusion.
I used to have a pen & ink drawing of a giant on
Dan J. M. wrote:
> Lasse:
> I believe that, while the targets were not named, warnings of some sort were given.
>Certainly, after Hiroshima the Japanese government knew what would happen if they did
>not surrender, and did not take immediate action.
>
> Having been to Hiroshima and having visi
Bob S. wrote:
> > I guess it's a matter of definition of "warning",
> > but by any reasonable use of the language, in
> > the case of the two bombs on Hiroshima and
> > Nagasaki respectively, there was no warning
> > that would have given the civilians a chance
> > to escape. More than 100 000 civ
Maris:
I did not start this sub-discussion. As long as people on this list continue
to bring it up in a negative fashion, I shall feel compelled to respond. Why
anyone would mention that in the context of the current tragedy escapes me, but
I'm sick and tired of hearing from those who were not
Do we really want to debate this again?
Maris
- Original Message -
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Bombing Japan - private
| Lasse:
|
| I believe that, while the
Lasse:
I believe that, while the targets were not named, warnings of some sort were given.
Certainly, after Hiroshima the Japanese government knew what would happen if they did
not surrender, and did not take immediate action.
Having been to Hiroshima and having visited the museum there and l
> I guess it's a matter of definition of "warning",
> but by any reasonable use of the language, in
> the case of the two bombs on Hiroshima and
> Nagasaki respectively, there was no warning
> that would have given the civilians a chance
> to escape. More than 100 000 civilians were
> killed there
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