Hi Mark ...
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
Mark Cassino wrote:
> Yow - I just ran some tests and the grain reduction on Vuescan is indeed
> clobbering the detail. I was scanning for web display and resampling the
> images down to ~640 x 480 - at which point they look OK - but I cou
Hi Mark,
OK, then what we have here is probably a difference in the way the
scanners work. I don't know all the technical jargon, but the Nikon
Coolscan 4000 ED (4000dpi, etc) does a great job w/traditional B&W. I
know that the Minolta uses a different light source than the Nikon, and,
of cours
How so? I've scanned maybe 200 B&W images using a Nikon Coolscan
something-or-other. The process was simple, and the results quite good,
even to my critical eye. George, the fellow whose scanner was used,
just set the scanner once, and from then on everything was automatic.
Mark Cassino wrote:
the only reason I shoot B&W film is when I want to engage in the mental
discipline of seeng in B&W. It really is a different trip - looking for
patterns and texture etc. But if I'm shooting color and see a shot that
will look best in B&W, I take it and convert the image digitally.
Having dev
On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 09:51 AM, Ken Archer wrote:
> Try taking portraits of black cattle on a bright sunny day where you
> have to have lots of detail in the black without washing out everything
> else. Then you will understand.
That's a good example. I tend to shoot lazy-man zone sy
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> That's the thing ... I don't feel I'm using any technique.
[...]
> I just put the camera on automatic, point it at the subject and bracket
> a bit on either side of the meter reading, and that's it.
[...]
> IOW, it's like putting the plane on autopilot, or drivi
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From: Albano Garcia
Subject: Re: Color is So Much Easier
I mean, just because you don't give a damn for your color
photography, it
> doesn't mean it's less serious. It's just as serious and
complicated as you
> want it to be. The sam
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From: Chris Brogden
Subject: Re: Color is So Much Easier
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > First of all, I never said that B&W negative didn't have a
decent
> > exposure latitude. However, similar results aren't e
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From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: Color is So Much Easier
> I disagree, if you saw these negs, you wouldnt believe how
> little difference there is. With a slight difference in
> printing exposure the difference would be so subtle and
> it woul
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> First of all, I never said that B&W negative didn't have a decent
> exposure latitude. However, similar results aren't exact results.
> The difference between a good photograph and a great photograph is
> found in the subtleties. While a film may have
slide film.
JCO
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Color is So Much Easier
>
>
> First of all, I never said t
First of all, I never said that B&W negative didn't have a decent
exposure latitude. However, similar results aren't exact results. The
difference between a good photograph and a great photograph is found in
the subtleties. While a film may have a wide exposure latitude, there
is very little lat
> I don't think a good exposure is easier to produce with B&W negative
> film. There are those who feel that they can allow for the film's
> latitude to cover their exposure errors, but, IMO, that's bullshit.
>
I just shot a roll of TMAX 100 35 for the first time in a very long time.
Since I pul
Well, not any number (don't be quite so literal ), but depending on
the result you can expose for highlights, shadows, mid range. So, you
can make, for example, a half
dozen or so exposures and find several that will work depending on the
mood you want to convey. But, regardless of how one quanti
We just had a bunch of books in the office for an upcoming Jeep shoot.
These are top-dollar guys from all around the US. All the books were
packed with digital prints. Most pros I've talked to use an Epson 1200
for color, and an Epson 2000B for BW, with the special ink package. Some
have wet print
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From: T Rittenhouse
Subject: Re: Color is So Much Easier
> As an aside, I never have understand why someone would want to
use the Zone
> System when they are doing enlargements with multigrade paper.
Unless they
> are masochistic.
Tom:
Graph the curves fr
good
print out of it in a dark room, just always looks crap.
Regards,
Paul
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Subject: RE: C41 BW film (was Re: Color is So Much Easier)
> Surprisingly good
2 18:52
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>On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 10:23 AM, T Rittenhouse wrote:
>
snip> ...and his portfolio was silver gelatin stuff.
>
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From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:52:36 +
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: C41 BW film (was Re: Color is So Much Easier)
what do you guys think about it? is it better/different than shooting
color and t
On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 10:23 AM, T Rittenhouse wrote:
> I do believe that is one of the reason digital is becoming so popular
> with pros who would rather use 120 film.
I was talking to a couple of guys who do a lot of assisting in Toronto,
and they said that they could only think of o
I agree wholeheartedly with Paul. Getting exposure right for non-middletoned
subjects is a skill that must be learned and practiced when using slide film.
Most slide film is very unforgiving and 1 stop off the correct exposure is
very noticeable. And as Pul mentioned, what you get back canno
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Mishka wrote:
> what do you guys think about it? is it better/different than shooting
> color and then just turning to BW in photoshop? i never tried it and
> really curious how is it different (if at all) from regular BW film
I used it for a shortwhile, and was pleased with
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:52:36 +, Mishka wrote:
>what do you guys think about it? is it better/different than shooting
>color and then just turning to BW in photoshop? i never tried it and
>really curious how is it different (if at all) from regular BW film
Well, it *is* different. It looks lik
what do you guys think about it? is it better/different than shooting
color and then just turning to BW in photoshop? i never tried it and
really curious how is it different (if at all) from regular BW film
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On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 10:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Part of the B&W process is establishing the relationship between film
> speed, EI, developer, and printing paper in order to fully realize one's
> vision. But with color, since there's really no fooling around with
> developers, de
I didn't say developing and printing B&W was hard. I said it seems a
lot simpler to get a good negative or transparency with color film. For
me it takes no skill - it's like using a P&S camera. Others have
agreed, and some feel otherwise.
I've no problem with disagreements - in fact, a good pa
He's got a point Shel, if I can develop and print b&w
it can't be that
hard!
--- Mike Ignatiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sheesh... i'm shooting a few rolls of b&w neg and
> slide this week,
> and i'm really pleased with how easy it is to use.
> i don't have to
> fiddle much with pouring hot g
In a message dated 4/15/2002 10:28:13 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Huh? Agreed that I can't change paper grades, but I do change enlarger
> exposure when printing Ilfochrome.
>
> Ed M.
> -
>
One addition - I can use low, medium or high contrast Ilfochrome; howeve
sheesh... i'm shooting a few rolls of b&w neg and slide this week,
and i'm really pleased with how easy it is to use. i don't have to
fiddle much with pouring hot gelatine over the plates and preparing
silver nitrate solutions... i just put a roll of film inside and shoot.
Please don't take thi
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Yes, in the sense that you have to have them correct. But not in the
> sense that you have to experiment and determine them for the film that
> you're using. My point is that there is more standardization in color
> work, so I don't have to be concer
The guy that does my Ilfochrome work uses three contrast grades of
paper. Could it be that you're both mistaken?
http://www.lightroom.com/lr_pages/ilfo_info.html
and scroll down to the section on printing with Ilfochrome Classic.
Paul Stenquist presumed:
>
> > You can't change paper
> > grade
Yes, in the sense that you have to have them correct. But not in the
sense that you have to experiment and determine them for the film that
you're using. My point is that there is more standardization in color
work, so I don't have to be concerned with determining much about the
exposure and pro
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> None of those choices are any different than working with B&W film.
> But, as a color shooter I don't have to be concerned with the vagaries
> of processing, such as developer choices, times, temperatures,
> agitation, and the effects they have on esta
In a message dated 4/15/2002 9:17:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> . You can't change paper
> grades or enlarger exposure when working with transparency film.
Huh? Agreed that I can't change paper grades, but I do change enlarger
exposure when printing Ilfochrome.
None of those choices are any different than working with B&W film. But,
as a color shooter I don't have to be concerned with the vagaries of
processing, such as developer choices, times, temperatures, agitation,
and the effects they have on establishing the correct EI for the film
being used. Wi
and a scab picker, and an instigator, and a devil's advocate and
God, I knew there was some reason I liked Shel. ;-)
On Monday 15 April 2002 06:47 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Shel,
> You're a Luddite!
> Regards, Bob S.
--
Kenneth Archer, San Antonio, Texas
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Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>
> Please don't take this as condescending ... is there any real skill
> involved in getting a decent negative or slide from color film?
> --
>
Hi Shel,
Quite obviously, color transparencies require more precise exposure than
any other film type, since they are the fini
Shel,
You're a Luddite!
Regards, Bob S.
<< On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 01:14 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Sheesh ... I'm shooting a few rolls of color neg and slide this week,
> and I'm really pleased with how easy it is to use. I don't have to
> fiddle much with testing the EI for new
In a message dated 4/15/2002 3:13:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Please don't take this as condescending ... is there any real skill
> involved in getting a decent negative or slide from color film?
>
The catch to color slide photography (for me) is to get the col
On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 01:14 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Sheesh ... I'm shooting a few rolls of color neg and slide this week,
> and I'm really pleased with how easy it is to use. I don't have to
> fiddle much with testing the EI for new film, decide which developers to
> use, or learn t
Let's see, subject choice, lighting (time of day, weather conditions etc.
outdoors, flash setup indoors), composition, depth-of-field, exposure
Nope. No skills required at all :-)
--Mark
--Shel wrote
Sheesh ... I'm shooting a few rolls of color neg and slide th
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Shel Belinkoff
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:14 PM
Sheesh ... I'm shooting a few rolls of color neg and slide this week,
and I'm really pleased with how easy it is to use. I don't have to
fiddle much with testing the EI for new film, decide which developers to
use, or
Shell for us newbies it is very challenging, then
again we can't even compose a shot right yet.
--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sheesh ... I'm shooting a few rolls of color neg and
> slide this week,
> and I'm really pleased with how easy it is to use.
> I don't have to
> fiddle
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