Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Gonz
On 5/22/07, Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bad electrolytic in the power supply?? That's typically the source of > motor-boating - the capacitor fails and the pulsating DC doesn't get > smoothed out. > More than likely. But the supply is distributed throughought the circuit board wit

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > On May 22, 2007, at 7:19 AM, William Robb wrote: > >> My older F2s is still working just fine, but I have owned a couple >> of MX >> bo

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Tom C
t >Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:49:04 -0400 > >And it drys cloths no better than the 30 year old dryer I bought for >$25.00 12 years ago, and fixed for less than $10. Replacing all of the >temperature sensors and door switch i

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Tom C
>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Remember the plan to continue to make cameras was assumed by Pentax. >Hoya's plans were unknown but hinted at by their CFO, which seems to >have precipitated the unpleasantness. By the way if Hoya is so strong >and Pentax's prospects are so bleek, why d

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Tom C
>What all these problems really indicate is how cheap, low-spec most >of the electronic components being used are, even in high-end >cameras. Curiously, my 1966 RCA transistor radio that cost me $20 >(expensive back then!) is still going strong. > >Godfrey > Likely planned obsolescence? On a side

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread P. J. Alling
And it drys cloths no better than the 30 year old dryer I bought for $25.00 12 years ago, and fixed for less than $10. Replacing all of the temperature sensors and door switch in less than two hours. (I ended up giving it away 6 months ago as I had no place to store it). Tom C wrote: >> What

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Remember the plan to continue to make cameras was assumed by Pentax. Hoya's plans were unknown but hinted at by their CFO, which seems to have precipitated the unpleasantness. By the way if Hoya is so strong and Pentax's prospects are so bleek, why didn't Hoya just say, then have it your way,

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread P. J. Alling
used to calculate in HP mode. > > Henk > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of P. J. Alling >> Sent: 22 May, 2007 5:42 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Don't

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Tom C
>Tom, > >Neither you nor Herb had or have the slightest idea what you are talking >about. > >Pentax is in better shape now than it was two years ago. What has changed >is that it has a major shareholder that owns enough shares to call the >shots. And that major shareholder has no interest in came

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 22, 2007, at 7:19 AM, William Robb wrote: > My older F2s is still working just fine, but I have owned a couple > of MX > bodies with flakey meters, both dead from unrepairable electronics, > not > mechanical failures. Cheap components, usually the resistor used for the K-mount aperture

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread P. J. Alling
What makes you think they're going to sell Cameras there? Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 22/05/07, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung >> (subject to the deal going through, of course), but that's just a guess, >>

RE: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Henk Terhell
f Of P. J. Alling > Sent: 22 May, 2007 5:42 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > > > Electronics wear out just like anything else. Cycling it on and off > creates heat stress in connections at the very least. Mech

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Paul Sorenson
Bad electrolytic in the power supply?? That's typically the source of motor-boating - the capacitor fails and the pulsating DC doesn't get smoothed out. -p Gonz wrote: > Thats another even more common failure mechanism. I have a Sony tape > deck that I really like and have master recordings

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/22/2007 12:51:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? Human electrical fields interfere. Marnie aka Doe ;-) ***

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > > Solid state logic components rarely if ever "die", Mike, unless > subjected to abuse in the form of wet environment or bad power . All > the fai

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Dario Bonazza
Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 22/05/07, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It was registered the same day they announced the agreement for the >> Hoya-Pentax merge into Hoya Pentax HD, remember? Why is it peculiar? It >> should be peculiar not to do that. > > Shows their intent to ma

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Electronics wear out just like anything else. Cycling it on and off creates heat stress in connections at the very least. Mechanical switches are a week point they wear out from physical movement, seals at those points wear as well, and replacement parts after 30 years will be made out of Uno

Re: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread David J Brooks
> > > > > From: "Sandy Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2007/05/22 Tue AM 06:24:52 GMT > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > > > > > > http://www.rugi

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread John Forbes
That was back in the days when the deal was announced as a merger, and the stated plan was to continue to make cameras. John On Tue, 22 May 2007 13:09:15 +0100, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22/05/07, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My guess is that it has

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Tom C
>From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Tom, > >Neither you nor Herb had or have the slightest idea what you are talking >about. > See ya John. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Gonz
Thats another even more common failure mechanism. I have a Sony tape deck that I really like and have master recordings that sound best on it (because the masters were made on it) that has an electrolytic cap problem. It "motor-boats", but the location is impossible to pin-point. On 5/22/07, R

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Gonz
There is an electrical phenomenom called electro-migration which can degrade electronics over time, especially points of high current. CCD's are notorious for high current transfers. On 5/22/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 21/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Why

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 22, 2007, at 1:13 AM, mike wilson wrote: >> Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've >> got an electronic calculator here that's nearly 30 years old and >> still working perfectly. > > What Cotty said is possibly badly worded but it is true that when/ > if the e

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung Heaven help us. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Con

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was registered the same day they announced the agreement for the > Hoya-Pentax merge into Hoya Pentax HD, remember? Why is it peculiar? It > should be peculiar not to do that. Shows their intent to maintain the Pentax name in any case. >

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Dario Bonazza
Digital Image Studio wrote: > It's peculiar then that they registered the domain Hoya-Pentax.com > > Domain Name.. hoya-pentax.com > Creation Date 2006-12-21 > Registration Date 2006-12-21 > Expiry Date.. 2007-12-21 > Organisation Name HOYA CORPORATION > Organisatio

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My guess is that it has already sold the imaging division to Samsung > (subject to the deal going through, of course), but that's just a guess, > like everything else that has been said on this subject. It's peculiar then that they registered

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:29:11 +0100, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 21/05/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I'm just tired of all those who spend so much time watching the sky >> > to see if it's falling. If I were inclined to dump my Pentax gear, I >> > would do it now.

Re: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread mike wilson
> > From: "Sandy Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/05/22 Tue AM 06:24:52 GMT > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > > On 5/22/07, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread mike wilson
> > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/05/21 Mon PM 11:18:04 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > > > On May 21, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Cotty wrote: > > > The Canon lenses will

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suspect the electronics will die before anything else. I have three Pentax P50 whose shutter release buttons have gone erratic and I've recently returned a Super A that I had just bought on ebay for the same reason. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've just binned a Sony V6000 camcorder. About 12 years old, but hardly used. Optically and mechanically like new. The problem: dozens of leaking electrolytic capacitors. The phenomenon i

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-22 Thread Cotty
On 21/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >Why would the electronics die unless you dunked them in water? I've >got an electronic calculator here that's nearly 30 years old and >still working perfectly. Fair point. Lens is allegedly sealed against dust and moisture, so if anyt

Re: Samsung GX-10 [was: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...]

2007-05-22 Thread Thibouille
Yes only DNG. It produces JPEG more Canon-like IMO and may (not sure) have its exposure more Canon-like as well. The shape is a bit different as well and the menu IMO is way better than the Pentax verion. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Sandy Harris
On 5/22/07, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone does make an M42 mount body. Or at least they did until fim > died. It might have been Bessa Voigtlander. Not sure. Yes, > Does Zenit still make one? M42 Russian lenses are widely available, new > I believe. Yes. Here's a Russian ve

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
You're right, I've conflated them in my mind. I'd apoligize but I'm too tired. Joseph Tainter wrote: > PJ wrote: > > "I have a problem with Herb for other reasons. He often seemed to bash > Pentax equipment for no particularly good reason. Take this example > from DPReview. > http://forums.dpr

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >I have a problem with Herb for other reasons. He often seemed to bash > Pentax equipment for no particularly good reason. Take this example > from DPReview. >

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Not me. I would never accuse Rob of hinting at sarcasm. G On May 21, 2007, at 5:03 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Do I detect a hint of sarcasm? > > Digital Image Studio wrote: >> On 22/05/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> He uses them on a 4/3 System body or can use them on a

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 21, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: >> I'd been interested in the Oly 4/3 system at the same time I was >> looking at the Pentax in late 2004. When I saw the L1 design, I was >> immediately impressed ... both the body design and the Leica lens >> design ... but the price held

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Joseph Tainter
PJ wrote: "I have a problem with Herb for other reasons. He often seemed to bash Pentax equipment for no particularly good reason. Take this example from DPReview. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=17269059 "Now every lens has it's problems..." - Herb Chong, Ala

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread David Savage
It's a bit more than a hint. Cheers, Dave At 08:03 AM 22/05/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: >Do I detect a hint of sarcasm? > >Digital Image Studio wrote: > > On 22/05/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> He uses them on a 4/3 System body or can use them on a Canon body ... > >

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Joseph Tainter
Someone does make an M42 mount body. Or at least they did until fim died. It might have been Bessa Voigtlander. Not sure. Paul - Does Zenit still make one? M42 Russian lenses are widely available, new I believe. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/l

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Jack Davis
I understood the intended form of "flexibility", but simply I couldn't shake the image. ..hehehe Jack --- Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22/05/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you chose to demonstrate your "flexibility" by wrapping your > legs > > around you

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've noticed that too. When the camera was close to new I never noticed any > amp glow. Now it's readily apparent on 10 - 15 second exposures at ISO 400. > > Do you think it's actually gotten noisier or that we're just more observant, > having owne

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread graywolf
Nah, Pentax licensed it for a buck a year, but did not toss it out into the wilderness. William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "P. J. Alling" > Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > > >> Why would Sony make a K mount b

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's true, but they are fairly limited. I plan to sell at least 2 of > my RXs, the 21/2.8, 28/2.8, 135/2.8 and 28-80/4. I will probably take > whatever I can get, and I don't expect it to be much. Ahh, the 21mm, what a downer, that's a lens I'd lo

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread graywolf
Yeh, I heard something like that. Too, bad that only Kodak seems to realize it . P. J. Alling wrote: > More importantly, it ain't digital, film is dead, haven't you heard. > > graywolf wrote: >> Strange, I thought there was. Ah, I see, discontinued. Better get one while >> you can. >> >> http:/

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tom C
> >My *ist D still works fine after three years solid use, it looks a bit >polished in parts but everything is still operational, however the >sensor has grown somewhat noisier over that time. > >-- >Rob Studdert I've noticed that too. When the camera was close to new I never noticed any amp glo

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tom C
ften whenever I deal with another one of the 6,500,000,000 inhabitants of the planet. Tom C. >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >Date

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm? Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 22/05/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> He uses them on a 4/3 System body or can use them on a Canon body ... >> with adapters, of course. >> > > And Pentax K and screw can be used the same way I guess. Br

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
> to disseminate information, and interpreting it, is not a crime. Even if one > presupposes what will happen and they're wrong, so what? Who isn't wrong at > times? It seems like a case of shoot the messenger. > > Tom C. > > > >> From: "P. J. Alling&

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you chose to demonstrate your "flexibility" by wrapping your legs > around you neck in those things, for God's sake don't post a picture! The flexibility of which I speak is not the physical kind, thankfully. I suspect me simply in a ballet t

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 21/05/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd been interested in the Oly 4/3 system at the same time I was > looking at the Pentax in late 2004. When I saw the L1 design, I was > immediately impressed ... both the body design and the Leica lens > design ... but the price held me o

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tom C
>I generally mark them as read these days, I just simply don't have the >time to spend on such posts between daily life and hastening the >demise of Pentax via my discussion and interest regarding its >financial state. > >-- >Rob Studdert >HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA LOL. Rob Studdert. He puts the "HUR

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He uses them on a 4/3 System body or can use them on a Canon body ... > with adapters, of course. And Pentax K and screw can be used the same way I guess. Bravo, we have a solution and how elegant it is! -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTR

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now...what if I answer 'yawn' to the next PESO with a bird, flower, insect, > pet...? It would be a full time job! > I just don't look at it if I am not interested in this kind of pictures. > ;-) I generally mark them as read these days, I

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's an interesting thought. I just checked through a mountain of > receipts to find when I bought my Canon 1DmarkII. September 2004. Nearly > three years. Still feels like new. No significant knocks or scrapes to > report. Never dropped, but not t

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tom C
ther items, I guess nothing lasts forever. Tom C. >From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:18:04 -0700 > >

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 21, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Cotty wrote: > The Canon lenses will still be working in 3 years - dunno about 6. > Electronic AF and AE (and IS inside one lens) mean that there's a > lot to > go wrong. I suspect the electronics will die before anything else. Why would the electronics die unless

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 21, 2007, at 2:36 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > The K mount was never open source. It was licensed at very reasonable > rates when first introduced. The latest KAF2 lens mount is far from > open source. > >>> Why would Sony make a K mount body? I see no reason. Besides Hoya >>> would own th

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Otis C. Wright, Jr.
I'm not sure rose whatever help that much Basic front office management philosophy/attitudes discourage interest in forays into somewhat (possible?) lucrative niche markets.Also, it seems to me that in the last decade or so, soft support and distribution costs have started to swamp ou

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: pdml@pdml.net >> Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:44:57 -0600 >> >> Pentax WAS in the red with the camera division, you know that. It was >>

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tom C
s, that repeating public information is not a crime. Tom C. >From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: pdml@pdml.net >Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:44:57 -0600 > >Pentax WAS

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Cotty
On 22/5/07, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed: >I agree to an extent though I suspect our DSLR bodies are a lot more >fragile and will be significantly less long lived than their film >brethren due to mechanical/electronic failure more than sheer >obsolescence. I really don't expect

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
The K mount was never open source. It was licensed at very reasonable rates when first introduced. The latest KAF2 lens mount is far from open source. William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "P. J. Alling" > Subject: Re: Don't want t

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tom C
EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:08:44 -0400 > >Pentax was never exactly in trouble financially, camera sales were not >world beating but

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
More importantly, it ain't digital, film is dead, haven't you heard. graywolf wrote: > Strange, I thought there was. Ah, I see, discontinued. Better get one while > you can. > > http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtFlexTM.htm > > -graywolf > > P. J. Alling wrote: > >> There are millions of M42 moun

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > Why would Sony make a K mount body? I see no reason. Besides Hoya > would own the rights to the K mount and I doubt they'd be as easygoing > as Pentax on

RE: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Bob W
> > On 22/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would guess that if Pentax folds, someone will make a > K-mount body. The demand is built in. It would be easy, for > example, for Sony to make a K-mount version of their camera. > I can't see the huge installed base of Pentax

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Hum, I thought this was a discussion of modern digital bodies, and the Bessa has been discontinued. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Someone does make an M42 mount body. Or at least they did until fim died. It > might have been Bessa Voigtlander. Not sure. > Paul > -- Original message --

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
; >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:36:24 -0400 >> >> Pentax is being

RE: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Bob W
> > >> I would guess that if Pentax folds, someone will make a K-mount > >> body. The demand is built in. It would be easy, for example, for > >> Sony to make a K-mount version of their camera. I can't see the > >> huge installed base of Pentax gear being ignored. It's a bonanza > >> for som

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread pnstenquist
Someone does make an M42 mount body. Or at least they did until fim died. It might have been Bessa Voigtlander. Not sure. Paul -- Original message -- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There are millions of M42 mount lenses as well, and I don't see anyone

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread graywolf
Strange, I thought there was. Ah, I see, discontinued. Better get one while you can. http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtFlexTM.htm -graywolf P. J. Alling wrote: > There are millions of M42 mount lenses as well, and I don't see anyone > making a Body to use them either. You're just being silly.

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/21/2007 11:57:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally I don't think Pentax is going down the drain in the immediate future (6 months - 1 year). On the other hand, I have no idea how long of a future they have. Hoya may take the camera divisi

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Funny but most remaining K mount body manufacturers are building bottom feeder manual focus bodies. leaving Samsung out of it since to date their K mount bodies seem to have been engineered and manufactured by Pentax. It's much more likely if a new manufacturer wanted to share a lens mount wit

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tom C
ce of another company, Sony-Minolta fashion. Tom C. >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:36:24 -0400 >

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Adam Maas
Yes, but few are going to make a DSLR specificly for manual focus lenses. Plenty of AF K mount stuff around that's worth supporting though. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: > There are millions of M42 mount lenses as well, and I don't see anyone > making a Body to use them either. You're just being

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tom C
>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >There are millions of M42 mount lenses as well, and I don't see anyone >making a Body to use them either. You're just being silly. > That's what I think too. If Pentax, Hoya-Pentax, or whoever, were to discontinue K-mount bodies because there is not

Re: Samsung GX-10 [was: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...]

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Not much by the spec. sheet. A lot of reviewers have liked the GX-10's Jpeg image quality better. Apparently Samsung used a different conversion algorithm. The shell and control buttons are different shape and the buttons are supposedly larger making it easier if you have larger hands/finger

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
> - Original Message - > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > > > >> ----- Original

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Pentax is being forced to sell out to Hoya by the Japanese equivalent of a Corporate Raider brought in as a White Knight, after they began to turn their Camera Business around. That seems to be the exact opposite of what Herb was predicting. Tom C wrote: >> On 21/05/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
There are millions of M42 mount lenses as well, and I don't see anyone making a Body to use them either. You're just being silly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not a valid comparison. There are milions of K-mount lenses and users out > there. The CZ mount users numbered in the thousands. > > >

Re: Samsung GX-10 [was: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...]

2007-05-21 Thread Adam Maas
Firmware, body shell and branding. -Adam Bob Blakely wrote: > What, exactly, is the difference between the GX-10 and the K10D? > > Regards, > Bob Blakely > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> I'm having difeculties imagining myself with a camera fr

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Why would Sony make a K mount body? I see no reason. Besides Hoya would own the rights to the K mount and I doubt they'd be as easygoing as Pentax on licensing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I would guess that if Pentax folds, someone will make a K-mount body. The > demand is built in. It would

RE: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tom C
>On 21/05/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm just tired of all those who spend so much time watching the sky > > to see if it's falling. If I were inclined to dump my Pentax gear, I > > would do it now. But I'm not going to. It works quite well, thank > > you. A yawn is appropri

Samsung GX-10 [was: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...]

2007-05-21 Thread Bob Blakely
What, exactly, is the difference between the GX-10 and the K10D? Regards, Bob Blakely - Original Message - From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm having difeculties imagining myself with a camera from the manufaturer > of these > http://www.samsungtechwin.com/ (click K9) > I've g

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Jack Davis
If you chose to demonstrate your "flexibility" by wrapping your legs around you neck in those things, for God's sake don't post a picture! Jack --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I only wear my pink tutu on special occasions. That makes it > special:-). > Paul > On May 20, 2007, at 1

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Tim Øsleby
Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... > > >>I would

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >I would guess that if Pentax folds, someone will make a K-mount body. The >demand is built in. It would be easy, for example, for Sony to make a >K-mount versio

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 21, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: >> I would guess that if Pentax folds, someone will make a K-mount >> body. The demand is built in. It would be easy, for example, for >> Sony to make a K-mount version of their camera. I can't see the >> huge installed base of Pentax

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/21/2007 8:18:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > == > I think that's silly. The is the most crucial junction Pentax has ever been > at (since I have been on list anyway, about 5-6 years). It could easily be > bought out and the camera divi

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Gonz
On 5/20/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 21/05/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You probably wouldn't like being told to wear a little pink tutu. > > WW > > I'm generally pretty flexible. > MARK! > -- > Rob Studdert > HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA > Tel +61-2-9554

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
in this kind of pictures. ;-) Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Enviado: lunes, 21 de mayo, 2007 4:00:20 Asunto: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... On 21/05/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Gonz
On 5/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a message dated 5/20/2007 5:51:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yawn... > > == > I think that's silly. The is the most crucial junction Pentax has ever been > at (since I have been on list anyway,

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread David Savage
Paul sometimes I just love your rose coloured perspective. Cheers, Dave On 5/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would guess that if Pentax folds, someone will make a K-mount body. The > demand is built in. It would be easy, for example, for Sony to make a K-mount > versio

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread pnstenquist
Not a valid comparison. There are milions of K-mount lenses and users out there. The CZ mount users numbered in the thousands. -- Original message -- From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 22/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would guess that if Pentax folds, someone will make a K-mount body. The > demand is built in. It would be easy, for example, for Sony to make a K-mount > version of their camera. I can't see the huge installed base of Pentax gear > b

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread pnstenquist
I would guess that if Pentax folds, someone will make a K-mount body. The demand is built in. It would be easy, for example, for Sony to make a K-mount version of their camera. I can't see the huge installed base of Pentax gear being ignored. It's a bonanza for someone out there. Paul

Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but...

2007-05-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/05/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main concern I have is will those future electronics have a K-Mount? If > the Pentax camera division closes, I can't see any logical reason for > another company to pick up the mount. > As good as the K10 is, it will wear out eventually. I

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