Amen.
Jody (Who can read, write, spell, do advanced algebra
and calculus and understand ASA numbers, as well as a
few other things)
Just to be perfectly clear, since I was the first to
jump into this
with a comment of disgust and revulsion. My
comments were not aimed
at the
petit miam wrote:
I don't think I like what you are trying to imply
there. I'm sure the other females on this list
would
agree.
I think you're being a little to eager to take
offense.
OK. None taken.
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Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo!
OK, I stand thoroughly corrected. What was wrong with
her, that she had to invent such an annoying creature?
I have Victor and Clippy on my new computer and I
can't say I will be using them. They bug me immensely,
especially since Victor is impossible to turn off for
ages when you are first
Who's that totally annoying guy in Windows Me? I can
call him up again any time I need some help - Yeah
right.
What/Who is Bob and Clippy?
Two of the more asinine things Microsoft has tried
to foist on us.
Bob was an interface developed for, I think,
Windows 95. Your screen
was set up
petit miam wrote:
I don't think I like what you are trying to imply
there. I'm sure the other females on this list would
agree.
I think you're being a little to eager to take offense.
I'm not trying to imply anything - You seem to be reading
a generalization into my message. That's your
You shouldn't be offended by the truth. The person who invented Bob
married Bill. (I don't remember if she had anything to do with Clippy).
This is not a slap at females this is a slap at Microsoft Bill and his
wife. (At least that's how I would interpret it).
At 04:35 AM 5/14/2001 -0700, you
Frank Theriault writes:
Anyone seen N's latest tv ad for their (I can't remember which)
lower-end slr? The slr for people who are afraid of slr's, or
something to that effect. They're marketing it as an up-scale ps.
If you want a real up-scale PS... I saw a Fuji 6x4.5 point-n-shoot
Just consider who the consumer isdubious graduates of inept schools who
cannot read, count, or reason, but probably have an undeserved high self
esteem. No wonder they get confused.
Um... this seems to be the case... in many US movies...
regards,
Alan Chan
It's already becoming to be a nuisance..
The problem I had last time I wanted to buy film in a General Store, not
a photo store, as an emergency measure, was that they only had Kodak Ultra
and Zoom (I think) color films in *partially opaque* plastic tube-like
3-film packs. I turned the packaging
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
snip
Kodak have a very low opinion of the average consumer's intelligence
(you should read some of their industrial advertising), but I think that
on the whole they're pretty much on the ball. People don't WANT to know
the technical side unless they're into it as a
At 09:10 AM 5/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
We're
used to a standard roll being 36 exposures, a short roll at 24
exposures, and with few exceptions, that's the way it's been.
Actually, the sales figures show us that in consumer films, 24s outsell
36s and 12s by a country
-- Original Message --
Kodak have a very low opinion of the average consumer's intelligence
(you should read some of their industrial advertising), but I think that
on the whole they're pretty much on the ball. People don't WANT to know
the technical side unless they're into it as a hobby or
Unless I'm buying ProPacks that only come in 36s, I
prefer the 24s. Often I'll process rolls with only 12 - 18 frames
exposed and the wastage is a little less. Also the standard
negative file sheets for 36 are unsatisfactory -- those that
hold 36 frames won't contact print on 8x10 and the ones
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A lot of people have commented on how they think
Kodak's new labeling/packaging reflects on the
knowledgability or intelligence of the film buyers.
Just to be perfectly clear, since I was the first to jump into this
with a comment of disgust and revulsion. My
I guess the question is, Is Kodak contributing to, or reacting to, the
'dumbing down' of society?
Truth is, most people want simple, worry free cameras to take snapshots
of the family or vacations with. Walk around a tourist area: how many
non-ps cameras do you see? Not many.
Most folks want
Hi Brent and Chris,
Fear-mongering and a hoax? Well, Chris, I think the photo lab owner got it
at least partly right, according to a front-page article in the Rochester
(NY) Democrat Chronicle for Wed., 2 May 2001. According to the D C
staff writer, it's not the film itself, but rather the
My Gawd! Is it true that we're a nation of morons and imbeciles, or
is it that corporate America just thinks we are?
Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote:
Coming soon to a store near you: a new look for the little yellow box.
Eastman Kodak Co. today will announce a complete packaging makeover for
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From: Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 9, 2001 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing
down of North America??
Hi Brent and Chris,
Fear-mongering and a hoax? much snippage
It's the end
Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote:
...Kodak Bright Sun for 100 speed and Kodak Max Versatility
for 400 speed. We think this will be a lot more relevant to consumers than
it is to be talking about film speed
Do you suppose that the Microsoft guy who developed Bob and then
Clippy has moved on to
- Original Message -
From: Peter Alling
Subject: Re: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing
down of North America??
Unfortunately a little of both, or maybe a lot of both.
At 07:25 AM 5/9/2001 -0700, Shel wrote:
My Gawd! Is it true that we're a nation of morons
Unfortunately a little of both, or maybe a lot of both.
At 07:25 AM 5/9/2001 -0700, Shel wrote:
My Gawd! Is it true that we're a nation of morons and imbeciles, or
is it that corporate America just thinks we are?
Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote:
Coming soon to a store near you: a new look for
Shel wrote:
My Gawd! Is it true that we're a nation of morons and imbeciles,
or is it that corporate America just thinks we are?
Don't know if this is any indication of a trend, but I was in a local Target
store the other night (buying some film, in fact), and a customer asked a
store clerk
-- Original Message --
addition to losing the prominent display of film speed, the new four-roll
consumer packaging will also *not* include a picture of the four enclosed
film
cassettes. Apparently this is too confusing or complicated for consumers
as
well? The packaging will no longer
Just consider who the consumer isdubious graduates of inept schools who
cannot read, count, or reason, but probably have an undeserved high self
esteem. No wonder they get confused.
Jerry in Houston
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The packaging will no longer indicate 96 EXP,
but rather the more arithmetically tractable 4 ROLLS
This is a problem, as how might one know how many exposures there
are per roll? Another marketing ploy to offer less for more? We're
used to a standard roll being 36 exposures, a short roll at
)
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From: Isaac Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing down of
NorthAmerica??
My Gawd! Is it true that we're a nation of morons and imbeciles
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From: Shel Belinkoff
Hi Issac ...
Boy, do i disagree with you.
To me, Kodak's decision makes perfect sense. Keep in mind
that 95% of
people don't know about film speed, and don't care.
Where/how did you arrive at that figure? Was a survey made of
this?
William Robb wrote:
I don't see new packaging as a way to end run around
customer service. I suspect that there will still be a
significant portion of the population that will need assurance
that the product is right for their situation.
Customer: I need some film.
Salesperson: What
Hi,
well, if you want to be digital you can count up to 1,048,575 before
you run out of fingers and toes, assuming the normal mammalian complement.
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Bob
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In my vocabulary 'art' is a dirty word - Helmut Newton
Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 3:48:26 PM, you wrote:
Hi Issac ...
Boy, do i disagree with you.
To me, Kodak's decision makes perfect sense. Keep in mind that 95% of
people don't know about film speed, and don't care.
Where/how did you arrive at that figure? Was a survey made of
this? Had you said many, most, a great percentage, or
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From: Shel Belinkoff
snip
How can subjective descriptions replace some knowledge about
film
speed. However, if the cameras are all dumbed down to meet
the
lowered and more simplistic descriptions of appropriate film,
and
the sales people don't know squat, and
On Wed, 9 May 2001, William Robb wrote:
You can lead em to the river, but you can't make them drink. If
your lucky, they will fall in and drown though.
William Robb
*L* That's a keeper, Bill. Thanks for the story. :)
chris
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So, Shel, you're in the other 5%... ;-)
Martin
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing down of NorthAmerica??
Hi Issac
ROTFLMAO!!!
William Robb wrote:
hilarious stuff snipped
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Shel Belinkoff wrote:
What/Who is Bob and Clippy?
Two of the more asinine things Microsoft has tried to foist on us.
Bob was an interface developed for, I think, Windows 95. Your screen
was set up as Bob's house and you went to different rooms to do
different things. Childish, dippy and dumb
looking like those professional ones. Talk about a lose-lose situation...
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From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Nasty Kodak rumor, or the sloppy truth: the dumbing down of
NorthAmerica
I used to work in a family owned (not mine unfortunately) now-defunct camera
store in Providence, RI (United Camera - ever hear of it?).
A guy comes in to the store. He has a 700- or 800-series Polaroid camera.
He is complaining of a problem with the pictures. There were big giant
shadows
Hi,
Dorothy Parker was once challenged to think of a memorable sentence
involving the word 'horticulture'. She came up with you can lead a
horticulture but you can't make her think :o)
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Bob
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In my vocabulary 'art' is a dirty word - Helmut Newton
Wednesday, May
Hi,
Both based on the premise that the typical computer user is a complete
idiot.
that seems like a reasonable assumption when you consider that one of
the best-selling series of books is called The complete idiot's guide
to...
---
Bob
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In my vocabulary 'art' is
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must moonlight as a Ritz
Camera
salesperson.
I had the opposite problem when buying film recently at Ritz: a salesman
second-guessing my informed choice:
Me: Do you have any of the new Fujicolor 1600, the version that uses the
fourh color layer?
I think the best evidence is how many people run file attachments in email
without knowing what they are or what they do.
Or they send emails intended to be personal to a mailing-list. Like I just
did
sending a message in Spanish intended only for Albano.
My apologies to the list.
Hernan.
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Opened the film compartment, removed the film pack, and found the new
batteries he installed to fix the flash problem - D-cells laid loosely in the space
between the lens and film pack... Hmmm... That might account for the shadows...
Reminds me of the story about someone complaining to a
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