Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Hey Marnie! Long time no see. Saw your house report. Your life is surely interesting... But then again, I should be looking for your pictures. Merry New Year :-). Boris On 12/24/2010 9:27 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Gee, finally someone noticed. Well, it was Cotty... Marnie aka Doe

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-26 Thread John Sessoms
@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk! See if I can reply in 150 words or less. :-) Sold Condo after 5 months. Revisited ABQ, NM and Medford, OR to redecide if I wanted to live there. Decided Oregon was a watered-down CA, and ABQ was way too dry after all. Didn't think I could

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-25 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 2:57 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: See if I can reply in 150 words or less.  :-) Sold Condo after 5 months. Revisited ABQ, NM and Medford, OR to  redecide if I wanted to live there. Decided Oregon was a watered-down CA, and  ABQ was way too dry after all. Didn't think

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-25 Thread Steven Desjardins
I got a Ratbusters song in my head. I'll work out the details. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 3:10 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Debated that. ;-) Called the rat people instead.  Now all the roof rats seem to be gone (house was abandoned, after  all). But then it was the thermal windows, making

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-25 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, frank. :-) Marnie aka Doe In a message dated 12/25/2010 5:24:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, knarftheria...@gmail.com writes: It's a Christmas miracle. Marnie's back! Nice to hear from you, Marnie. Nicer still to hear that things are working out. cheers, frank -- PDML

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-25 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, ann. Marnie aka Doe;-) (Well, I could go on and on about house selling/buying/fixing up, but that would be so OT. And you know PDML, stay on topic -- Photography, Pentax. Now if I could turn into a pun, that would be different.) In a message dated 12/24/2010 9:55:43 P.M.

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Cotty On 19/12/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: If Pentax were to produce a dSLR that has a digital sensor that measured 24mm x 36mm, what would we call that (without offending anyone's sensibilities)? A meal. An invitation to dinner. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-24 Thread Eactivist
Gee, finally someone noticed. Well, it was Cotty... Marnie aka Doe ;-) This is a resend, originally sent a few days ago and it didn't show up. She's baccckkk In a message dated 12/21/2010 9:39:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, webstertwenty...@gmail.com writes: Marnie, you're back!

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-24 Thread Steven Desjardins
I missed this Marnie. How did the house selling go? On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 2:27 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Gee, finally someone noticed. Well, it was  Cotty... Marnie aka Doe ;-) This is a resend, originally sent a few days ago and it didn't show up. She's baccckkk In a

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-24 Thread Eactivist
See if I can reply in 150 words or less. :-) Sold Condo after 5 months. Revisited ABQ, NM and Medford, OR to redecide if I wanted to live there. Decided Oregon was a watered-down CA, and ABQ was way too dry after all. Didn't think I could afford to remain in CA or the Bay Area (near

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-24 Thread drd1135
Sounds fun (not ;-). Weird noises? Call Ghostbusters. -Original Message- From: eactiv...@aol.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:57:48 To: pdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk! See

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-24 Thread Eactivist
Debated that. ;-) Called the rat people instead. Now all the roof rats seem to be gone (house was abandoned, after all). But then it was the thermal windows, making these popping sounds. Or thumping sounds, somewhere in between the two. Very loud. Would literally wake me up, especially as

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
So Marnie, where are you now? Same place or did you move? Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:27 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Gee, finally someone noticed. Well, it was  Cotty... Marnie aka Doe ;-) This is a resend, originally sent a few days ago and it didn't show up. She's

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-24 Thread Eactivist
Debated that. ;-) Called the rat people instead. Now all the roof rats seem to be gone (house was abandoned, after all). But then it was the thermal windows, making these popping sounds. Or thumping sounds, somewhere in between the two. Very loud. Would literally wake me up, especially as

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way/She's baccckk!

2010-12-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Well so glad to ahve you back, Marnie! We have to keep our woman power up here... But I also missed your original post -- and I haven't been doing much but lurking great you got a house... and glad to get your report, if ever so abrreviated Merry Christmas ann eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-22 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Jezus mon, you're huge... And I carry a big lens On 12/19/2010 7:01 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I've been

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-22 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way On 12/20/2010 2:01 AM, Ken Waller wrote: I've been told I have a Full frame at 6'4 260 lbs! Kenneth Waller http

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-21 Thread eckinator
those englishmen... absolutely no decorum... Ecke 2010/12/20 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 19/12/10, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: Is there a time limit on that event, Cotty? Well, obviously it would be useful within my lifetime but should the need arise, I'd be quite happy to

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Marnie, you're back! ... and you're right. On 12/20/2010 6:56 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: That is thoroughly disgusting. But, hey, what else is new? Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 12/20/2010 3:00:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cotty...@mac.com writes: On 19/12/10, Steven

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/20/2010 2:01 AM, Ken Waller wrote: I've been told I have a Full frame at 6'4 260 lbs! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller I am cropped then... Very cropped. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-20 Thread eckinator
2010/12/20 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: I am cropped then... Very cropped. don't feel bad. after all you get a free extension factor ]=) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-20 Thread Stan Halpin
On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Is there another more socially or technically acceptable way of referring to a digital sensor that is the same size as a frame of film? The use of the term full frame seems to offend some people, but I don't know of an alternative that

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-20 Thread Cotty
On 19/12/10, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: Is there a time limit on that event, Cotty? Well, obviously it would be useful within my lifetime but should the need arise, I'd be quite happy to be exhumed and placed at table, as long as there was suitable interest, with my hat

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-20 Thread Eactivist
That is thoroughly disgusting. But, hey, what else is new? Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 12/20/2010 3:00:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cotty...@mac.com writes: On 19/12/10, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: Is there a time limit on that event, Cotty? Well, obviously

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Boris Liberman
It certainly is. Oh, well, it certain does that is (look interesting). Since it is cropped and slow, it holds no particular interest to me though. Boris On 12/18/2010 6:04 AM, David Parsons wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming- Looks interesting. --

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Thibouille
Mmm for such range it is no slow at all IMO, it is even nearly constant aperture. It is WRed and of a much nicer range than 12-24. If it is good, it is a must have for me (that kind of lens I mean). I'm not a wide lens guy so the range makes it very versatile. Of course it is APS-C but who still

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/19/2010 12:43 PM, Thibouille wrote: Of course it is APS-C but who still thinks Pentax will bring FF? (I know you hopes so, Boris). I hopest not... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 12/19/2010 12:43 PM, Thibouille wrote: Of course it is APS-C but who still thinks Pentax will bring FF? (I know you hopes so, Boris). I hopest not... Then why worry about the lens frame? A lens designed for APS-C will outperform one

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/19/2010 2:11 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Then why worry about the lens frame? A lens designed for APS-C will outperform one designed for 24 x 36. (They're both full frame. Just different frames.) Paul I opine (may be wrong, but that's my right) that some 24x36 designed lenses outperform

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Thibouille
Of courses some are (imagine if not...). Yep as for vignetting, maybe distortion as well, FF lenses used on APS-C suffer less, proportionally than an APS lens on APS body. But those lens will sometimes (often?) offer CA for free as well and often less sharp as well, simply because they didn't need

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Dec 19, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Thibouille wrote: Of courses some are (imagine if not...). Yep as for vignetting, maybe distortion as well, FF lenses used on APS-C suffer less, proportionally than an APS lens on APS body. But those lens will sometimes (often?) offer CA for free as well and

RE: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread J.C. O'Connell
...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:00 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way On 12/19/2010 2:11 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Then why worry about the lens frame? A lens designed for APS-C will outperform one designed for 24 x 36

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way On 12/19/2010 2:11 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Then why worry about the lens frame? A lens designed for APS-C will outperform one designed for 24 x 36. (They're both full frame. Just different frames.) Paul I opine (may be wrong

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread eckinator
...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:00 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way On 12/19/2010 2:11 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Then why worry about the lens frame? A lens designed for APS-C will outperform one designed for 24 x

RE: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread J.C. O'Connell
, December 19, 2010 4:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. Paul On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:24 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: In my opinion

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
, 2010 4:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. Paul On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:24 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: In my opinion

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread eckinator
2010/12/19 Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: I know how it's used. I haven't been dead for the last seven years. That doesn't make it any less ridiculous. Amen to that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. Paul

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. The thing about language is that usage determines meaning, not the other way around. Full-frame is virtually universally used to mean 24 x 36

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. The thing about language is that usage determines meaning, not the other way

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
Well, Paul, there were those nasty internet rumors based on a careful analysis of your PDML submissions. I always assumed that you had entered a new artistic phase with the onset of middle age. ;-) I know how it's used. I haven't been dead for the last seven years. -- Steve Desjardins --

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. Sure, all sensors are full-frame for themselves. You've passed Tautology 101, and

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
, 2010 4:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. Paul On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:24 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: In my opinion

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Well, Paul, there were those nasty internet rumors based on a careful analysis of your PDML submissions. I always assumed that you had entered a new artistic phase with the onset of middle age. ;-) HAR! Unfortunately, I'm well past the

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645

RE: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread J.C. O'Connell
, December 19, 2010 5:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way We are just seeing the overlap of film stuff and digital sensors. So many lenses were designed for the 35 mm format. We still use medium format even though the sensor isn't that size. Look at the 645D

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
: New 12-35 lens on the way Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. Paul On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:24 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: In my opinion, the modern DSLR usage of the term full frame means

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steven Desjardins Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way We are just seeing the overlap of film stuff and digital sensors. So many lenses were designed for the 35 mm format. We still use medium format

RE: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread J.C. O'Connell
: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:59 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:40 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: why do I want a Pentax FF DSLR? One of the reasons

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/12/10, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. MARK. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/12/10, eckinator, discombobulated, unleashed: the whole discussion is moot MARK!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:40 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: why do I want a Pentax FF DSLR? One of the reasons would be those big wide viewfinders like on the MX. wow those look great compared to the tunnel vision

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Cotty
Come back Wheatfield, all is forgiven -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:59 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:40 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: why do I want a Pentax FF DSLR? One of the reasons would be those big wide viewfinders like on the MX. wow

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Ken Waller
I've been told I have a Full frame at 6'4 260 lbs! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Well, Paul, there were those nasty internet rumors based on a careful analysis of your PDML submissions. I always

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Jeffery Smith
Is there another more socially or technically acceptable way of referring to a digital sensor that is the same size as a frame of film? The use of the term full frame seems to offend some people, but I don't know of an alternative that requires fewer words. I don't know of anyone who ever

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Come back Wheatfield, all is forgiven Well, almost all

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread eckinator
2010/12/20 Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net: Is there another more socially or technically acceptable way of referring to a digital sensor that is the same size as a frame of film? they're all 23.9 by 35.8 or something anyway so why even look for a term? ]=) The use of the term full

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/12/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: If Pentax were to produce a dSLR that has a digital sensor that measured 24mm x 36mm, what would we call that (without offending anyone's sensibilities)? A meal. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
Is there a time limit on that event, Cotty? On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 19/12/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: If Pentax were to produce a dSLR that has a digital sensor that measured 24mm x 36mm, what would we call that (without offending

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 19/12/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: If Pentax were to produce a dSLR that has a digital sensor that measured 24mm x 36mm, what would we call that (without offending anyone's sensibilities)? A meal. My hat's off

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way On 19/12/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: If Pentax were to produce a dSLR that has a digital sensor

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Jeffery Smith
That works for me. On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:24 PM, eckinator wrote: a sensor size fairly accurately resembling TriX's size? would make for a nice acronym... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Well, Paul, there were those nasty internet rumors based

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Is there another more socially or technically acceptable way of referring to a digital sensor that is the same size as a frame of film? The use of the term full frame seems to offend some people, It doesn't offend me. It just doesn't make

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
The format formerly known as 35 mm. On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:48 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Is there another more socially or technically acceptable way of referring to a digital sensor that is the same size as a frame

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread paul stenquist
On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:30 PM, Cotty wrote: On 19/12/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: If Pentax were to produce a dSLR that has a digital sensor that measured 24mm x 36mm, what would we call that (without offending anyone's sensibilities)? A meal. A meal rich in fiber!

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: The format formerly known as 35 mm. 35 mm full-frame, or 35 mm half-frame? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Steven Desjardins
No one likes a wise ass, Matthew. Oh wait, I do like wise ass comments. Good one! On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: The format formerly known as 35 mm. 35 mm full-frame, or 35 mm

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Jeffery Smith
I agree with you there. They are putting too much into RD of lenses that are not compatible of...wellyou know. That's fine with me. They are making some great strides in their current line of dSLRs. Jeffery On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:48 PM, paul stenquist wrote: We would call it 24 x 36,

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Peter Loveday
this make my K5 full-frame when I switch it to movie mode? :) - Peter -Original Message- From: Steven Desjardins Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:46 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way We are just seeing the overlap of film stuff and digital sensors

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread David Parsons
d135 On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Is there another more socially or technically acceptable way of referring to a digital sensor that is the same size as a frame of film? The use of the term full frame seems to offend some people, but I don't

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Jeffery Smith
Not intuitive enough. I'm going to stick to full-frame. Or just avoid the subject altogether. Jeffery On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:51 PM, David Parsons wrote: d135 On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Is there another more socially or technically

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 07:54:23PM -0500, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: The format formerly known as 35 mm. 35 mm full-frame, or 35 mm half-frame? Quite. Especially since half frame was the original frame size. When

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Jezus mon, you're huge... On 12/19/2010 7:01 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I've been told I have a Full frame at 6'4 260 lbs! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread P. J. Alling
: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. Paul On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:24 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: In my opinion, the modern DSLR usage of the term full frame means cameras

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-19 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/19/2010 11:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Full frame is a bit of silliness. It's irrelevant. Is a 645 camera double frame? There are many sensor sizes. All of them are full. Paul I am with Paul on this one. In the middle ages back then /wink wink/, no one called 6x4.5 cropped w.r.t. 6x6

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-18 Thread John Celio
? http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming- The article appears to have been taken down. Did anyone copy any of the info? John -- http://www.jacelio.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
I'm still seeing it. Try a shorter URL: http://tinyurl.com/25ljuj7 Jeffery On Dec 18, 2010, at 9:46 AM, John Celio wrote: ? http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming- The article appears to have been taken down. Did anyone copy any of the info? John --

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-18 Thread David Parsons
Try this: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/126118-pentax-files-da12-35-f3-5-4-5-weather-resistant-supersonic-drive-motor-patent.html It's a link to a thread. The first link didn't have any discussion. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:46 AM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote:

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-18 Thread steve harley
On 2010-12-18 08:46 , John Celio wrote: ? http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming- The article appears to have been taken down. Did anyone copy any of the info? your email client, like mine, probably dropped the trailing hyphen when it recognized the URL -- PDML

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-18 Thread John Celio
? http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming- The article appears to have been taken down. Did anyone copy any of the info? your email client, like mine, probably dropped the trailing hyphen when it recognized the URL Yep, looks like that was it. Thanks! Sounds like

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-18 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 11:46 AM -0800 12/18/10, John Celio wrote: ? http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming- The article appears to have been taken down. Did anyone copy any of the info? your email client, like mine, probably dropped the trailing hyphen when it recognized the URL Yep,

RE: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-18 Thread J.C. O'Connell
/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Celio Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:47 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12-35 lens on the way ? http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming

New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-17 Thread David Parsons
http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming- Looks interesting. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-17 Thread Jeffery Smith
Count me in. Jeffery On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:04 PM, David Parsons wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming- Looks interesting. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/

Re: New 12-35 lens on the way

2010-12-17 Thread Leon Altoff
The WR is a nice feature, but I don't think it will replace my 12-24 and I can't justify having both. Leon On 18 December 2010 15:04, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/Pentax-DA-12-35mm-DC-WR-lens-coming- Looks interesting. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail