Re: Nikon Df

new Nikon might offer. It is because: 1. I wonder what kind of improvements (or not) Nikon engineers managed to get done between introduction of Nikon D4 and Nikon Df. 2. Personally, I prefer bigger sensors with less pixels, and therefore Df would fit my preferences much better than 36 MP D800

Re: Nikon Df

nt: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. The buttons on the back are what you need to use a digital camera. Seems li

Re: Nikon Df

On Tue, Nov 05, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > I don't know what the camera pretends to be. I know Nikon marketing > teased everyone with the "pure photography" sequence, but i don't know > what "pure photography" is supposed to be anyway. I guess the romantic > notion of wandering around the Sc

Re: OT: Nikon Df

On 6 November 2013 00:51, Darren Addy wrote: > I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF > ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. Yeah, it's a bit steep, buying the #2 body would hurt. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-

Re: Nikon Df

On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >Yup, I agree completely that Thom lost the plot with that statement. >They're selling four different full-frame bodies - why would they >*not* want them to be very different and therefore appeal to different >kinds of customers? I'm sorry, yo

Re: Nikon Df

On 05/11/2013 8:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? If it wasn't complicated the people who buy it would feel ripped off. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listin

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On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 03:55:39PM -0600, Darren Addy wrote: > "Pure Photography" indeed: > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYVYn_CCMAAMSMs.jpg:large Very cute, but it misses the point entirely. If all you care about is the experience of taking photos, grab your Nikon F3, Leica M4, Pentax LX, or wh

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Steve Cottrell wrote: >On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the >>plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities >>between the retro-style controls and the electronic ones. >> >>Favorite quote: "T

Re: Nikon Df

On 5 Nov 2013, at 22:14, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Bob W wrote: >> >> Or you could go to Glasgow and have someone set you on fire. >> >> B > > omg. You are a Scot, aren't you? > Hoots, mon! No, the noo! And I would never dream of stereotyping our russet compad

Re: Nikon Df

On 5/11/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >In fact, I'm tempted to buy one and stand around in Scottish places, >farting silently with a poetic look on my face. Bloody hell - so just the change of location then for you! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |

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> On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Bob W wrote: > > In fact, I'm tempted to buy one and stand around in Scottish places, farting > silently with a poetic look on my face. > > B Ach. Now I know you're not a Scot. Farting silently is against the law. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.n

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> On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Bob W wrote: > > Or you could go to Glasgow and have someone set you on fire. > > B omg. You are a Scot, aren't you? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the l

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rstand that others can think of the Df as pure >> photography. >> Pity it lacks some basic characteristics of classic SLR's, such as 0.95x >> viewfinder and split image. >> In other words, I see the Df as a disguised modern DSLR pretending to be a >> classic reborn.

Re: Nikon Df

d modern DSLR pretending to be a > classic reborn. > Dario > > -Messaggio originale- From: Bob W > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:15 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Nikon Df > > It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the

Re: Nikon Df

Messaggio originale- From: Bob W Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:15 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. The buttons on the back are what you

Re: Nikon Df

In fact, I'm tempted to buy one and stand around in Scottish places, farting silently with a poetic look on my face. B > On 5 Nov 2013, at 20:15, Bob W wrote: > > It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd > see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. T

Re: Nikon Df

It doesn't look very complicated to me. The dials on the top are what you'd see on a high-end late pre-electronics era camera. The buttons on the back are what you need to use a digital camera. Seems like quite a rational layout to me. B > On 5 Nov 2013, at 14:21, "Dario Bonazza" wrote: > > A

Re: Nikon Df

Someone needs to write the video game: angry glaswegians. Bob W wrote: >On 5 Nov 2013, at 15:49, John wrote: >> >> "Old school" shooters doesn't necessarily mean OLD shooters. I think >the >> target market is much less than half the average age of this list. >> >> It's a camera for young, hip

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On 5 Nov 2013, at 15:49, John wrote: > > "Old school" shooters doesn't necessarily mean OLD shooters. I think the > target market is much less than half the average age of this list. > > It's a camera for young, hip photographers who DO believe roaming the > Scottish countryside looking for dram

Re: Nikon Df

0-51200 (1, 1/2, 1/3 steps) Nikon DF: ISO 100 to 12800 in steps of 1/3 EV; can also be set to approx. 0.3, 0.7 or 1 EV (ISO 50 equivalent) below ISO 100 or to approx. 0.3, 0.7, 1, 2, 3 or 4 EV (ISO 204800 equivalent) above ISO 12800; Here's what Nikon engineers say about "expanded ISO&qu

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On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 11:03:51AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: > Chris Mitchell wrote: > > >On 5 November 2013 14:21, Dario Bonazza wrote: > >> Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the > >> camera it pretends to be? > >> Dario > >> > >Me too. The top looks beyond ret

Re: Nikon Df

Here: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-df it says that ISO does go to 204,800, so at least I can read :-). On 11/5/2013 8:38 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: No, that's because Nikon calls H1 the 25600 and H4 the 51200 settings. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza

Re: Nikon Df

. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Boris Liberman Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:38 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df Rick, if you apply some settings, it will go all the way to ISO 204,800. I think it would be H4 on ISO dial. This is at least how I understand

Re: Nikon Df

PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Richard Womer Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df 16 megapixels, "full-frame

Re: Nikon Df

No, that's because Nikon calls H1 the 25600 and H4 the 51200 settings. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more.

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Rick, if you apply some settings, it will go all the way to ISO 204,800. I think it would be H4 on ISO dial. This is at least how I understand what I've been reading on the net. On 11/5/2013 8:27 PM, Richard Womer wrote: 16 megapixels, "full-frame", and yet (according to specs on DPReview) max

Re: Nikon Df

Likely because engraved dials have no room enough for more. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Richard Womer Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Nikon Df 16 megapixels, "full-frame", and yet (according to specs on DPReview) m

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Cotty, think of it as of Leica Monochrom of DSLR world... On 11/5/2013 8:01 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities between

Re: Nikon Df

Darren, in its current lineup Nikon offers the following full frame cameras listed in order of increasing price according to Adorama: D600, D610, D800, D800e, Df, D3x, and D4 Additionally you could buy D600, D3 and D3x refurbished. It appears to me that Nikon has the most complete line of full

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16 megapixels, "full-frame", and yet (according to specs on DPReview) maximum ISO is 12,800. Huh? Rick On Nov 5, 2013, at 12:06 , Mark Roberts wrote: > Kenneth Waller wrote: > >> No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue >> is the images it produces. > >

Re: Nikon Df

Dario, I think this is a very dandy camera. On 11/5/2013 4:21 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Am

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I shoot 100% hand-held. That is, I don't use tripod. It seems logical to me that the additional degree of sharpness and/or resolution provided by lack of AA filter is negligible compared to the effects caused by hand-held shooting. Although if you shoot mostly with tripod, then it would make s

Re: Nikon Df

On 5/11/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >For once I find Thom Hogan's analysis on the money. He sums up the >plusses and minuses pretty well. He notes conflicts/ambiguities >between the retro-style controls and the electronic ones. > >Favorite quote: "The Df very well may be the fir

Re: Nikon Df

On 5/11/13, John, discombobulated, unleashed: > a trip to Scotland... are you sure? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Vi

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Kenneth Waller wrote: >No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue >is the images it produces. 16 megapixels in full frame (surely chosen to prevent it taking sales away from the D610) means sacrificing a little resolution in order to gain excellent noise levels

Re: Nikon Df

No. I expected better from Nikon. looks clunky to me but the important issue is the images it produces. -Original Message- >From: Dario Bonazza >Subject: Re: Nikon Df > >Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the >camera it pretends to be? &

Re: Nikon Df

Chris Mitchell wrote: >On 5 November 2013 14:21, Dario Bonazza wrote: >> Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the >> camera it pretends to be? >> Dario >> >Me too. The top looks beyond retro - the design brief of "put >everything on clicky dials that you can" has be

Re: Nikon Df

On 5 November 2013 14:21, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the > camera it pretends to be? > Dario > Me too. The top looks beyond retro - the design brief of "put everything on clicky dials that you can" has been followed to the extreme and

Re: Nikon Df

"Old school" shooters doesn't necessarily mean OLD shooters. I think the target market is much less than half the average age of this list. It's a camera for young, hip photographers who DO believe roaming the Scottish countryside looking for dramatic light is romantic and not as Godfrey says "co

Re: OT: Nikon Df

It's the next thing to $3000 with the kit lens. I think I could find a way to pay that much for an honest-to-god Digital LX with a FA50/1.4. The only flaw I really see in it is it doesn't take K-mount lenses. On 11/5/2013 8:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked pric

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Tom is right. I stand corrected. Overstock.com is legit but the similarly named overstockdigital.com is not. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Tom C wrote: >> From: Darren Addy >> >> I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF >> ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the

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> From: Darren Addy > > I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF > ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. > Are you sure about that? I can't find a single Nikon camera of any kind (DSLR, MILC, P&S) on overstock.com at the moment. There's over

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apabilities, I think that would be a win for sales. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > <http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-df> > > Interesting point - supports use of very old lenses. Mind you, would > have been stupid not to. > > Ricoh: how about

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I think what it is claiming to be is a camera for "old school" shooters who don't need the camera to do everything but cook them breakfast in the morning. So, in that sense I think it is purposely "complicated". It sure doesn't match the K-3 in hardly any category other than being a full frame sen

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might be nice to use, but it sure isn't "pretty" … looks like a modern retro Camaro: it has some of the line, but it's all bloated and festooned with gee-gaws. To my eye, the chrome is particularly ugly looking. or rather, "industrial faux". but if it works right and is good in the hands, it co

Re: Nikon Df

Am I the only one thinking the Df is way too complicated for being the camera it pretends to be? Dario On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tu

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I think it is a gorgeous looking camera. Their silver version actually looks old-school (not plastic) but I would probably have to see/hold one in person to be sure about that. I haven't seen anything said about whether it has an AA filter or not, which I am most curious about. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013

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I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: > It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) > > On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celi

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It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :) On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio wrote: > I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: > > http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ > > In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especial

OT - Nikon Df

<http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-df> Interesting point - supports use of very old lenses. Mind you, would have been stupid not to. Ricoh: how about a LX-D please :-) (anyone who thinks I'm living in the past, award yourself one star) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__

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LOL, Zos. It means you're not proper Pentax fan, you know. Back in the days when people were busy comparing Kodak and Fuji films, Nikon had F70 which had modern electronic hard to understand UI and Pentax OTOH introduced MZ-5 and later MZ-5n which was absolutely brilliant instant cult classic

Re: OT: Nikon Df

It looks nice for sure. The controls look awkward and would require 2 hands in a lot of settings changes however. I think DSLRs have evolved forward for a reason. I'm a huge fan of designs that allow one handed, eye level settings changes. On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM, John Celio wrote: > I'm s

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/ In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far off? John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDM