gfen wrote:
They're both tools. Each has its stronger points, and its weaker points.
To not see this simple fact is to be ignorant and/or blind. For each pro
of one system, there is a con for the other, and in the end neither is
better or worse.
Okay, fair enough.
Subsequent to reading the
I agree that this is generally a useless, aggravating discussion. However, I
think the fact that professional photographers, publishers, and graphic
designers have all standardized on Macs and Photoshop is something that
people should be reminded of once in a while.
I remember when we switched
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Subject: Re: OT: Mac Blat
SNIP
Excel is a rip-off of Lotus
There is no doubt of that, there is very little difference between the
two. Anyone familiar with Lotus (Dos Version) can see that all Excel added
was a Windows interface
. tammikuuta 2003 2:28
Aihe: Re: OT: Mac Blat
It would be really hard to get Gates (Microsoft) to pay Apple royalties since
the MAC interface is a simplified version of the LISA interface (also Apple),
which was a complete copy of Xerox's experimental interface from their Palo
Alto
Research Center
Hi Doug...
Thank you for the recommendation. I have a copy of Color It! (v.3.09)
I got with my Epson digital camera.
I use it along with it's Scan Wizard plug-in to manipulate my scanner
images, but, I have NOT yet used it to fool around with digital photo images.
It's not that I'm _looking_ for
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 11 Jan 2003 at 13:34, Keith Whaley wrote:
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 11 Jan 2003 at 13:29, Mike Johnston wrote:
Macs are superior products. They work better, they are more elegant, they
are more pleasant to work with, they're designed better.
Next time, stick to something less controversial like which flavor of
Christianity is best . . . 8^)
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Mike Johnston wrote:
Considering that Windows is a blatant rip-off of the Mac interface that
Gate's lawyers somehow weaseled him out of paying for, the ease of use of
_all_ computers is directly related to the ease of use of Macs. Even though
Windows is still inferior in
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, gfen wrote:
I hearby nominate this sort of useless argument to the same field as gun
talk. Stupid. pointless, and bound to aggravate everyone involved.
This is what happens when you read messae #100 in a list of 400.. by the
time the end rolls around, its (thankfully)
Keith Whaley said: Now, if only it were made for the Mac...
Now and then someone asks about Mac support on the Picture Window support
bulletin board. Someone from Digital Light and Color usually answers that
it should run fine under Virtual PC, but they don't really advertise or
support that.
A logical extension of this argument would be that all people who use
Pentax 35mm SLRs, and have professional aspirations, should switch to
another brand, since virtually no working professionals use Pentax 35mm
gear.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree that this is generally a useless,
Bruce R posted:
A logical extension of this argument would be that all people who use
Pentax 35mm SLRs, and have professional aspirations, should switch to
another brand, since virtually no working professionals use Pentax 35mm
gear.
And you never miss an opportunity to make this
Bruce Rubenstein wrote:
A logical extension of this argument would be that all people who use
Pentax 35mm SLRs, and have professional aspirations, should switch to
another brand, since virtually no working professionals use Pentax 35mm
gear.
BR
That's not at all logical. It's merely an
On 1/12/03 3:03 PM, Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A logical extension of this argument would be that all people who use
Pentax 35mm SLRs, and have professional aspirations, should switch to
another brand, since virtually no working professionals use Pentax 35mm
gear.
I have many
Look, Johnston initially made the argument that the Mac is the preferred
platform because it is used by professionals. This implies that if you
want to work like professional you should use a Mac. Since the computer
is now a photographic tool, the same premise would apply to the most
basic
On 12 Jan 2003 at 17:24, Bruce Rubenstein wrote:
Look, Johnston initially made the argument that the Mac is the preferred
platform because it is used by professionals. This implies that if you
want to work like professional you should use a Mac. Since the computer
is now a photographic
Sorry Bruce, I was not responding to your particular contention under the
Mac Blat thread, hence changing the subject line.
But I thought you never failed to grab the opportunity to poison the list to
the point it became so predictable when and how you show up with equally
predictable posts.
I
A logical extension of this argument would be that all people who use
Pentax 35mm SLRs, and have professional aspirations, should switch to
another brand, since virtually no working professionals use Pentax 35mm
gear.
It happens. When I joined a group studio around 1988 I switched from
Mike,
Just interesting food for thought - I found out that the underlying OS
for the Agfa D-Labs is Windows 2000. One wonders why they made that
decision. One angle could be connectivity.
Bruce
Sunday, January 12, 2003, 11:47:25 AM, you wrote:
Whine, whine, whine, Mac mac mac.. versus
Rob,
I agree.
Bruce
Sunday, January 12, 2003, 3:30:38 PM, you wrote:
RS On 12 Jan 2003 at 17:24, Bruce Rubenstein wrote:
Look, Johnston initially made the argument that the Mac is the preferred
platform because it is used by professionals. This implies that if you
want to work like
Damn right. And they ought to get rid of all that color BS too.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
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From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Mac Blat
Whine, whine, whine
Look, Johnston initially made the argument that the Mac is the preferred
platform because it is used by professionals. This implies that if you
want to work like professional you should use a Mac. Since the computer
is now a photographic tool, the same premise would apply to the most
basic
Back up to my original post. It said, virtually no professional
photographers use 35mm Pentax SLRs. I never stated that it was
impossible to use both.
You have proved nothing. Stick to being an Artiste.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How good are you at logic? Viewed from a logical
Sounds like the riddle of Schrodinger's Camera...
Mike Johnston wrote:
How good are you at logic? Viewed from a logical perspective, the argument
above is specious on its face.
I'll give you the proof: I use Macs, and I use Pentaxes. If your premises
and reasoning as presented above were
how hard it is to use a Mac
This is a classic oxymoron!
Cotty,
Considering that Windows is a blatant rip-off of the Mac interface that
Gate's lawyers somehow weaseled him out of paying for, the ease of use of
_all_ computers is directly related to the ease of use of Macs. Even though
Windows
In a message dated 1/11/2003 3:27:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
It still doesn't change the fact that the founders of Apple saw, what
was to become the Mac's interface, first at Xerox PARC.
Bill Gates has
nothing to do with it.
BR
Not disputing that.
Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/11/2003 2:47:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not quite, because Bill Gates is the ultimate rip-off artist. And M$ is re-known
for getting away with it.
IIRC the guy that invented Dos got a
It is in fact, just as bad, just as rehashed and just as irrelevant to
photography (no matter how they are used).
BR
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Mike,
I fear that this could be just as bad as the gun thread.
Keith Whaley wrote:
Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/11/2003 2:47:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not quite, because Bill Gates is the ultimate rip-off artist. And M$ is re-known for getting away with it.
IIRC the guy that
In a message dated 1/11/2003 4:07:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well Access is certainly no rip off of Paradox... Paradox
is simply the
dumbest relational DB I have ever had to use.
It well might be the rip off of something else.
-
Bob
Paradox was pretty good
On 11 Jan 2003 at 13:34, Keith Whaley wrote:
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 11 Jan 2003 at 13:29, Mike Johnston wrote:
Macs are superior products. They work better, they are more elegant, they
are more pleasant to work with, they're designed better.
Mike, you should get out more.
That Apple ripped off from Xerox PARC.
Entirely true! Thanks Bruce.
Oh, swipe me! He paints with light!
http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at
http://www.macads.co.uk/
Folks,
I hereby duly apologise. I should know better but I was stupid enough to
hit the send button before my brain engaged and prevented me. Please
accept my humblest sorrow for initiating what must rank as a verbotten
thread.
For the record, I read:
how hard it is to use a Mac
and for
Mike -
It's not that I don't respect your opinion, because I do. It's just, in
this case, times have changed. Photoshop on a decently sized Intel machine
under windows XP is virtually indistinguishable from that same program on a
Mac. Many of the latest Photoshop books point this out in
Cotty wrote:
Folks,
I hereby duly apologise. I should know better but I was stupid enough to
hit the send button before my brain engaged and prevented me. Please
accept my humblest sorrow for initiating what must rank as a verbotten
thread.
For the record, I read:
how hard it is
Thank you, George...
It needed to be said, and you did it.
keith whaley
George Sinos wrote:
Mike -
It's not that I don't respect your opinion, because I do. It's just, in
this case, times have changed. Photoshop on a decently sized Intel machine
under windows XP is virtually
And right you are to apologize, Cotty. I was looking at Macs in Comp USA
down in Charlotte today. Obviously they are pop sculpture, not working
tools. Any worthwhile computer has to be in an ugly black (or at least
beige) box. Good lord, those apple people don't even know what a computer is
It would be really hard to get Gates (Microsoft) to pay Apple royalties since
the MAC interface is a simplified version of the LISA interface (also Apple),
which was a complete copy of Xerox's experimental interface from their Palo
Alto
Research Center. Neither organization would want to open
Not quite correct, the guy who actually wrote Q-dos got nothing but his
salary in the deal.
The company that he worked for got the fee. There is some justice, he did
eventually get a
cushy job at Microsoft, while his boss's went out of business.
At 03:10 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
In a
Not really a rip off. The founder of DR was something of an Idealist and
wasn't against the use of his structures to create a code compatible version
of CPM86. Microsoft did however reverse engineer some of CPM86 to fix a few
bugs in DOS.
At 07:30 AM 1/12/2003 +1100, you wrote:
- Original
Oh what fun. See comments inline. My opinion is Bruce is correct.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not quite, because Bill Gates is the ultimate rip-off artist. And M$ is
re-known for getting away with it.
IIRC the
Try Microfrontier's Color It!,
http://www.microfrontier.com/products/colorit40/index.html
At 6:53 PM -08001/11/03, Keith Whaley wrote:
I'd much rather use something else...
keith whaley
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Douglas Forrest Brewer
Ashwood Lake Photography
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In a message dated 1/11/2003 11:19:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I noticed a
long time ago that what someone accuses others of is what
you can expect
them to do if they get the chance.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
Hehehe.
Doe aka
In a message dated 1/11/2003 7:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now, as far as Photoshop is concerned, I also have an opinion on
that. (Time to stir the pot.) To recommend Photoshop to a photographer
getting into image processing is a disservice. That novice
Yes, I know.
Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Mac Blat
In a message dated 1/11/2003 11:19:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED
Sure is.
1. open source is by definition not ripped off.
2. if you bought the rights to it it is not ripped off.
3. If you cloned (reverse engineered) it with a different look and feel it
is not ripped off.
However, most of the heroes of the early personal computer era were avowed
hackers in the
Your point is well taken...
I'll revisit their web site, and find an address for correspondence.
Good idea,
keith
Bruce Dayton wrote:
Keith,
You should at least write to them with the request. If they don't get
enough requests, they won't consider it. If it appears to be a good
market
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