Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
ller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" > > Subject: Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image > > >> On 2011-02-17 23:59, Ken Waller wrote: >> >>>> I think the r

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image On 2011-02-17 23:59, Ken Waller wrote: I think the real meaning of "unmanipulated" is "snapshot

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2011-02-17 23:59, Ken Waller wrote: I think the real meaning of "unmanipulated" is "snapshot". JMHO, of course. The unmanipulated image is exposed, un processed film or just a bunch of X's & O's. For fear of being serious in a joke thread, the only unmanipluated images are the ones you h

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bruce Walker There's only one very narrowly defined case where the camera is THE tool. If you glue a flash memory card into a camera with one lens permanently attached, then take shots in available light which you only ever view on the 3" LCD on the back -- then yes, that's your only tool.

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread John Sessoms
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, frank theriault wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > >> The camera is just one tool in the photographer's toolbox. > > I think that deserves a "MARK!", even though I kind of disagree with you. > > Surely the camera is more than "jus

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread John Sessoms
From: Steven Desjardins "Still, that was a great quote, John. ?Very pithy. ?I like pith." I dunno. I'm kind of pithed off. Better than being pithed on. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:11 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: The camera is just one

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins" Subject: Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image I think the real meaning of "unmanipulated" is "snapshot". JMHO, of course. The unma

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > I first liked the "one tool" quote. Then thought Frank had a point. > Then realized that that both are correct. I'm feeling like I'm in an old Wrigley's gum commercial... ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henr

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Feb 17, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> I think the real meaning of "unmanipulated" is "snapshot". JMHO, of course. >> > > There's no such thing as an unmanimpulated photo, but there sure as hell are > overmanipulated ph

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-02-17 4:11 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: The camera is just one tool in the photographer's toolbox. I think that deserves a "MARK!", even though I kind of disagree with you. I agree with John. There's no real photography, as a pursuit

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Darren Addy
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, frank theriault wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > >> The camera is just one tool in the photographer's toolbox. > > I think that deserves a "MARK!", even though I kind of disagree with you. > > Surely the camera is more than "just on

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
"Still, that was a great quote, John.  Very pithy.  I like pith." I dunno. I'm kind of pithed off. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:11 PM, frank theriault wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > >> The camera is just one tool in the photographer's toolbox. > > I think that de

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:05 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > The camera is just one tool in the photographer's toolbox. I think that deserves a "MARK!", even though I kind of disagree with you. Surely the camera is more than "just one tool" in our toolbox. It's ~the~ tool, isn't it? Without it the

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Larry Colen
On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > I think the real meaning of "unmanipulated" is "snapshot". JMHO, of course. > There's no such thing as an unmanimpulated photo, but there sure as hell are overmanipulated photos. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est --

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
I think the real meaning of "unmanipulated" is "snapshot". JMHO, of course. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Igor Roshchin >> >> On Feb 16, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >>> >>> > Good article: >>> > http://www.bhinsights.com/content/myth-unmanipulated-image.h

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread John Sessoms
From: Igor Roshchin On Feb 16, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > Good article: > http://www.bhinsights.com/content/myth-unmanipulated-image.html > I like that article. For those people who "like to see what an image looks like straight out [of] the camera", just think for a moment how you

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bruce Walker On 11-02-16 3:52 PM, Christian wrote: > On 2/16/2011 3:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >> Good article: >> http://www.bhinsights.com/content/myth-unmanipulated-image.html He expresses that rather well. > > Most of the comments are ridiculous and miss the point of the article. >

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-17 Thread Ann Sanfedele
I like it too... I notice the author is on smugmug , as am I :-) This line particularly struck me as apt (after the author , who shoots in RAW, explains what he did in lightroom) " I didn't add anything to the photograph that wasn't already there. I simply brought out what the camera captured

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-16 Thread Boris Liberman
The man's right. I think that this whole issue stems from the more general concept. Often we would confuse our personal perception of something with its general counterpart. As a consequence, we would project our own perception and, in this very case, call an image "true to life" whereas the n

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-16 Thread Igor Roshchin
On Feb 16, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > Good article: > http://www.bhinsights.com/content/myth-unmanipulated-image.html > I like that article. For those people who "like to see what an image looks like straight out [of] the camera", just think for a moment how you are going to see it

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
A well written article and lucid explanation of a truth that makes so many photographers irrationally uncomfortable. Paul On Feb 16, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > Good article: http://www.bhinsights.com/content/myth-unmanipulated-image.html > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDM

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-16 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-02-16 3:52 PM, Christian wrote: On 2/16/2011 3:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Good article: http://www.bhinsights.com/content/myth-unmanipulated-image.html He expresses that rather well. Most of the comments are ridiculous and miss the point of the article. No surprise there... The S

Re: OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-16 Thread Christian
On 2/16/2011 3:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Good article: http://www.bhinsights.com/content/myth-unmanipulated-image.html Most of the comments are ridiculous and miss the point of the article. No surprise there... -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com http://birdofthemoment.blogsp

OT: The Myth of the Unmanipulated Image

2011-02-16 Thread Darren Addy
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