RE: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of frank theriault Yeah, you're mostly right, but there's a down-side to putting everything underground: Every time there's a problem holes have to be dug at great cost of money and time, along with all the disruptions

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:31 , Christine Nielsen wrote: And Joseph, I'm with you. Our scenic little New England town likes to tout the claim that Eleanor Roosevelt described us as having the most beautiful Main St in America, and you have to get approval from the town fathers to change the

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 31, 2011, at 13:53 , frank theriault wrote: n Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 14:31 , Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 16:14, John Sessoms wrote: Put the utilities underground where they belong and you don't

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread Paul Sorenson
Wisconsin allowed studded tires for a while in the 1960's and early 70's. They made my light-in-the-ass Firebird much more drivable here in our winters, but they were quickly outlawed when it was seen how much road damage they caused. I'm surprised Washington doesn't just do the same. -p

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread John Sessoms
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 14:31 , Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 16:14, John Sessoms wrote: Put the utilities underground where they belong and you don't got to worry about trees falling over on them. snip

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling Irene really hit the Connecticut shoreline hard as far as the Power Grid was concerned. I blame people fighting to keep their scenic trees. Still I don't blame them much but it's a trade off. Trees that knock out the power in a less

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
John, I've watched this underground wires discussion for a while. Let me add my personal experiences. As a child growing up, the wires were overhead from a utility pole at the back of the lot. Lightening struck the pole/transformer one morning and the power and phone went out. The outages were

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Sep 1, 2011, at 05:16 , Paul Sorenson wrote: Wisconsin allowed studded tires for a while in the 1960's and early 70's. They made my light-in-the-ass Firebird much more drivable here in our winters, but they were quickly outlawed when it was seen how much road damage they caused. I'm

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread Keith Mosier
I have also been watching the discussion on underground wires.  I live in Louisville, Kentucky.  Here strong storms, tornados and shear winds are not unusual.  A couple of years ago remnants of a hurricane even made it to Louisville, as well as much of the central part of the USA.  There were a

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread steve harley
On 2011-08-31 14:53 , frank theriault wrote: Yeah, you're mostly right, but there's a down-side to putting everything underground: Every time there's a problem holes have to be dug at great cost of money and time, along with all the disruptions that causes. Once the fix has been made and

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread Paul Sorenson
I know what you mean about chaos, but it generally only lasts through the first one or two snows here, then folks seem to re-learn how to drive in the white stuff - all but some of the idiots in four wheel drive SUVs. They never seem to learn that with four wheel drive they can go like hell

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread Otis Wright
Similar HDD setups are used to lay gas pipe up to 50 inches or so --- possibly larger --- but this is the largest I have first hand knowledge of. So, laying underground medium and low voltage lines should be feasible. Otis Wright On 9/1/2011 10:35 AM, John Sessoms wrote: On Tue, Aug 30,

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread John Sessoms
From: Paul Sorenson I know what you mean about chaos, but it generally only lasts through the first one or two snows here, then folks seem to re-learn how to drive in the white stuff - all but some of the idiots in four wheel drive SUVs. They never seem to learn that with four wheel drive they

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-09-01 Thread John Sessoms
From: Otis Wright Similar HDD setups are used to lay gas pipe up to 50 inches or so --- possibly larger --- but this is the largest I have first hand knowledge of. So, laying underground medium and low voltage lines should be feasible. What they do around here is trench alongside the roads

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-31 Thread Christine Nielsen
PJ, glad to hear you made it through. Hope you up running soon... more more friends here in MA are getting power back today. And Joseph, I'm with you. Our scenic little New England town likes to tout the claim that Eleanor Roosevelt described us as having the most beautiful Main St in

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-31 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 14:31 , Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 16:14, John Sessoms wrote: Put the utilities underground where they belong and you don't got to worry about trees falling over on them. snip

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-31 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:00 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Irene really hit the Connecticut shoreline hard as far as the Power Grid was concerned.  I blame people fighting to keep their scenic trees.  Still I don't blame them much but it's a trade off.  Trees that knock out

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-31 Thread P. J. Alling
John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling Irene really hit the Connecticut shoreline hard as far as the Power Grid was concerned. I blame people fighting to keep their scenic trees. Still I don't blame them much but it's a trade off. Trees that knock out the power in a less than horrible storm,

PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Irene really hit the Connecticut shoreline hard as far as the Power Grid was concerned. I blame people fighting to keep their scenic trees. Still I don't blame them much but it's a trade off. Trees that knock out the power in a less than horrible storm, (which is still pretty unlikely), or

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 8/30/2011 15:00, P. J. Alling wrote: Irene really hit the Connecticut shoreline hard as far as the Power Grid was concerned. I blame people fighting to keep their scenic trees. Still I don't blame them much but it's a trade off. Trees that knock out the power in a less than horrible storm,

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread Larry Colen
Great shot, it got a laugh out loud. It's a little out of focus, but more power to you. Mind if I point to it on FB? On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Irene really hit the Connecticut shoreline hard as far as the Power Grid was concerned. I blame people fighting to keep

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread Eactivist
Amusing. Marnie the almost akaless :-) In a message dated 8/30/2011 12:00:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, webstertwenty...@gmail.com writes: Irene really hit the Connecticut shoreline hard as far as the Power Grid was concerned. I blame people fighting to keep their scenic trees. Still I

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-08-30 3:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Irene really hit the Connecticut shoreline hard as far as the Power Grid was concerned. I blame people fighting to keep their scenic trees. Still I don't blame them much but it's a trade off. Trees that knock out the power in a less than horrible

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread Jack Davis
Not pretty..scene, that is, Peter.Nice to hear your feisty self again. Jack - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: PESO: No Kidding Irene really hit

RE: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling Irene really hit the Connecticut shoreline hard as far as the Power Grid was concerned. I blame people fighting to keep their scenic trees. Still I don't blame them much but it's a trade off. Trees that knock out the power in a less than horrible storm, (which is still

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 30, 2011, at 16:14, John Sessoms wrote: Put the utilities underground where they belong and you don't got to worry about trees falling over on them. Much more difficult to repair when lightning strikes 'em though (yes, still happens when they're underground). Tons more expensive

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Aug 30, 2011, at 14:31 , Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 30, 2011, at 16:14, John Sessoms wrote: Put the utilities underground where they belong and you don't got to worry about trees falling over on them. Much more difficult to repair when lightning strikes 'em though (yes, still

Re: PESO: No Kidding

2011-08-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
Sorry for my Davisms in the my last post on this subject. Workin' too fast! On Aug 30, 2011, at 16:15 , Joseph McAllister wrote: One of my constant bitches for many Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com There is no off position to the genius switch. Genius can, however, be observed as