It's not ridiculous if money is an issue. Digital MF will be really expensive,
and even many pros won't be able to justify it. Besides, LF film cameras
existed but where not a big market. Photographers shoot what they have to and
no more. One lesson of digital has been that many shot the
://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
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Fra: Dario Bonazza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 23. oktober 2005 00:15
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Pentax DSLR future
I expect a price between 9K and 10K.
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
On 22 Oct 2005 at 16:36, William Robb wrote:
There is a huge number of 645 lenses out there.
If I was the owner of a half dozen of them, I'd seriously look at
buying a
digital body
On 24 Oct 2005 at 14:53, Gonz wrote:
Those are my thoughts exactly. If the bottom line is always on their
mind, why take a huge loss on moving from one system to another? I
mean, if you have 10-20K invested in gear in one system, it might take
20-30k to move to a new, 35mm full frame
On Monday, October 24, 2005, at 06:26 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
The problem is that the market in used MF gear is poor so MF gear
doesn't
return good money but regardless the cost of a 35mm FF DSLR vs
virtually any
current MF DSLR (with crop factor) is significant (and the Pentax D645
won't
1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
I didn't buy the istD just because it was a nice little DSLR, I bought it
because it was a K mount camera, and I could use the lenses I had on hand.
If I had a bunch of 645 lenses, a digital body would be mighty tempting,
if I had the discretionary income
- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
at $5K USD, i am sure you will. what about $10K USD? if the *istD came in
at $3.5K USD (and spec'd like its competition at that price), would you
have bought?
For me, it is a moot question, I have a 6x7
On Oct 22, 2005, at 1:51 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I like design B
I hate them all. Where's the new 67?
- Brother Dave
On Oct 22, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:
So, do you truly expect that most photographers worldwide will turn
into car advertising photographers wanting digital MF???
I'll shoot anything if there are skimpily-dressed models involved.
- Dave
On Friday, October 21, 2005, at 07:37 PM, William Robb wrote:
But they did prototype a very advanced medium format SLR in the late
80s.
.
FWIW, Konica also took a medium format SLR system well past the
prototype stage and almost put it into production. This was in the
70s.
I did not
Most heavy user pros have already made their digital choices and sold
off what they had to in order to achieve them. However, there is a
large supply of Pentax 645 glass out there. As I said before, if the
camera is priced to appeal to advanced amateurs and small budget pros
(wedding photogs,
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
Most heavy user pros have already made their digital choices and sold off
what they had to in order to achieve them. However, there is a large
supply of Pentax 645 glass out there. As I said before
Message -
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
In it's favour, advanced amateurs and small budget pros are the vast
majority of pro shooters.
Probably less than 1/10 of 1% of pro grade
This thread reminds me of the no one would ever buy a DSLR --too
expensive, that was going on here a couple of years back. As I recall I
was about the only for voice back then. There does seem to be more
people believing the 645 DSLR will sell.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot
And put a red outline around the actual picture area...
(like that would ever happen).
Toralf Lund wrote:
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
I think Pentax would lose more than they would gain by introducing a
35mm
Because most pros work in a world where the bottom line rules. Most in
the past maintained two or three systems, a 35mm and a larger format,
usually 120 based or 4x5 and if they had a need both. If the quality
from your 35mm camera replacement is close enough to what you get from
med format
Unfortunately, it's in utopia.
David Mann wrote:
On Oct 22, 2005, at 1:51 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I like design B
I hate them all. Where's the new 67?
- Brother Dave
--
When you're worried or in doubt,
Run in circles, (scream and shout).
: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
why? i am askin, since i would have chosen differently.
best,
mishka
On 10/21/05, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's say it with an example. If I had to choose between say a 15
megapixel
K-mount FF and a 18 megapixel 645
I expect a price between 9K and 10K.
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
Most heavy user pros have already made their digital choices and sold
off what
There is a huge number of 645 lenses out there.
If I was the owner of a half dozen of them, I'd seriously look at buying a
digital body that could take advantage of them, no matter what other system
I already had in place, providing it wasn't egregiously expensive.
William Robb
On 22 Oct 2005 at 16:36, William Robb wrote:
There is a huge number of 645 lenses out there.
If I was the owner of a half dozen of them, I'd seriously look at buying a
digital body that could take advantage of them, no matter what other system I
already had in place, providing it wasn't
On 23 Oct 2005 at 0:11, Dario Bonazza wrote:
Main reasons:
1) Better compactness+weight.
2) I hate 4/3 format (any size), hence I'll often have to crop 18MP (4/3
format) into 16.6MP (for getting 3/2 format).
3) I already own a lot of K-mount lenses and no 645 glass.
4) True wide angles
The K-mount digital bodies have been selling in quite reasonable
numbers. But Pentax hasn't had a pro following in 35mm for close to 40
years. There will be more advanced cameras, strong prosumer entries.
But I doubt there will ever be anything like a 1DS Mark II. The market
doesn't justify
-
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
The K-mount digital bodies have been selling in quite reasonable numbers.
But Pentax hasn't had a pro following in 35mm for close to 40 years
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
The K-mount digital bodies have been selling in quite reasonable
numbers. But Pentax hasn't had a pro following in 35mm for close to
40 years. There will be more advanced cameras, strong prosumer
entries. But I doubt there will ever be anything like a 1DS Mark II
Message -
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
Well, that's about what we're all looking for. I want a 5D spec body, and
I'll pay 5D money for it. Give me 12 megapixels, a fast buffer and good
- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
what Rob and i are looking for is a 5D spec body. i don't mind APS-C at
all and would prefer 12MP in APS-C. Rob wants full frame. i decided not to
wait. when the high end Pentax body comes out, unless it is a dog
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
On 22 Oct 2005 at 16:36, William Robb wrote:
There is a huge number of 645 lenses out there.
If I was the owner of a half dozen of them, I'd seriously look at buying
a
digital body that could take advantage
- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
who is going to buy it?
People who have a large investment in 645 glass.
If they already have some Canon or Nikon stuff, it'll sell for good money on
the used market.
I mean really, all they have to buy
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
I'm with you Dario, the thing I don't understand is that everyone says it
will
be readily taken up because of the prevalence of 645 glass. What about all
the
great 35mm K mount glass around (much better
Adorama seems to have slipped in the quality of their service and customer
satisfaction over the last year or so. I no longer purchase from them.
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1759.html
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Gonz
... After ordering it, I got an email saying that it was
photography?
Jens Bladt
Arkitekt MAA
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
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Fra: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. oktober 2005 20:46
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Pentax DSLR future
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Canon can't afford to support multiple
the right
thing by sticking to APS and 35mm?
Jens Bladt
Arkitekt MAA
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
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Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. oktober 2005 21:36
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Pentax DSLR future
Yes, that's true. (Although we
Jens Bladt wrote:
It seems like Pentax (and others?) are having trouble supporting all three
(four) formats APS, 35mm and 645 (and 6x7) with digital bodies. Pentax
35mm
is almost aleady gone. 6x7 will probably go away anytime soone. So what we
are left weith is APS and 645. I wonder if
On 21/10/05, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:
As sensors get better and better it seems to me it's a matter of time, when
there's really no need for medium format anymore.
That time has already passed.
Cheers,
Cotty
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Fra: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 21. oktober 2005 09:27
Til: pentax list
Emne: Re: Pentax DSLR future
On 21/10/05, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:
As sensors get better and better it seems to me it's a matter of time
, October 21, 2005 3:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pentax DSLR future
I geuss Canon makes both full frame and APS sized sensors/cameras. Doesn't
this mean (at least) two lines of lenses?
the
right
thing by sticking to APS and 35mm?
Jens Bladt
Arkitekt MAA
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
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Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. oktober 2005 21:36
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Pentax DSLR future
Yes, that's true. (Although
Don't tell that to all the pro shooter using Hasselblad's with digital
backs. Medium format has by no means been abandoned. Expect to see
more. A lot of the car shooters who used to work in 4x5 are now working
in MF digital. Some of course are still working in large format with
digital backs.
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Oct 20, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
I haven't used any DA lenses myself, but several others have reported
that they cover more than the APS-C area, enough for full-frame,
in some
cases. And Canon seems to do fine selling DSLR's that don't work with
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: Pentax DSLR future
It seems like Pentax (and others?) are having trouble supporting all three
(four) formats APS, 35mm and 645 (and 6x7) with digital bodies. Pentax
35mm
is almost aleady gone. 6x7 will probably go away anytime soone
There was a series of 3 mockups on design that people could vote for
on a japanese camera show last spring. Anyone still have the link?
Here is the site with the 645D pictures:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/other/2005/03/18/1209.html
And here they are in better quality...
Arkitekt MAA
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
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Fra: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 21. oktober 2005 09:27
Til: pentax list
Emne: Re: Pentax DSLR future
On 21/10/05, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:
As sensors get better and better it seems to me it's
Tks for posting the URL Lucas ...
Perhaps 18mpx will be too little too late. With 35mm format pushing 12mpx
and 13mpx now, maybe it would be a good move if Pentax planned to up the
ante a bit.
I like design B
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Lucas Rijnders
Here is the site with the 645D
Subject: RE: Pentax DSLR future
Cotty and Dario
So, what you are saying is that it's been to late/not very clever for
Pentax
to release a D645? Will it ever emerge, do you think? Or was the D645
mock-up's just a way to say: Dear Pro Pentax users - please stay with us,
we
aim to catch up anytime
It will be fine if it's priced low enough to be an MF digital for
serious amateurs and wildlife shooters. Big dollar commercial
photography pros will want more, and they're already getting it. I
won't be surprised if Pentax plans to sell MF at a price point that is
competitive with Canon FF.
IIRC, they show us pictures' of the MS-D, but that nevermaterialized.
Pictures of Alternate models or even a mock-up at ashow doesn't mean they have
a working camera or are even close tohaving one.
[Original Message] From: Lucas Rijnders Here is the site with
the 645D pictures:
On Friday, October 21, 2005, at 08:27 AM, William Robb wrote:
Canon, in their entire history, has never ventured into formats larger
than
miniature format.
But they did prototype a very advanced medium format SLR in the late
80s. The body was designed by Luigi Colani, the man who did
On Friday, October 21, 2005, at 08:35 AM, Lucas Rijnders wrote:
And here they are in better quality...
http://www.photoscala.com/comment/reply/771
Regards, Lucas
I like the middle one best, the model B.
Bob
On 21/10/05, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty and Dario
So, what you are saying is that it's been to late/not very clever for Pentax
to release a D645? Will it ever emerge, do you think? Or was the D645
mock-up's just a way to say: Dear Pro Pentax users - please stay with us, we
aim
Tks for posting the URL Lucas ...
You're welcome.
Perhaps 18mpx will be too little too late. With 35mm format pushing 12mpx
and 13mpx now, maybe it would be a good move if Pentax planned to up the
ante a bit.
Who cares about mpx if the image quality is good? I think we can trust
Pentax to
People who want to print large. Plus having more mpx makes for good
advertising and publicity. Also, several other MF digi systems already
have more, so it looks like Pentax is behind the times. Sometimes you've
gotta sell more than just the steak. You've gotta sell the sizzle ;-))
Shel
to make a camera that competes with
its own 645D camera. It is expensive enough to develop one of them.
DagT
fra: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dato: 2005/10/21 fr PM 02:57:37 CEST
til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
emne: Re: Pentax DSLR future
Let's say it with an example. If I had
On 21 Oct 2005 at 6:50, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Canon wasn't a player in MF, Pentax was. Plus, the Pentax 645 body will
probably work fine with 6x7 lenses. That's why I'm holding on to mine
at least until I see how pricey the body is. If it starts at 5K or so,
it will be 2K in three years.
On 21 Oct 2005 at 14:30, Cotty wrote:
What I am saying is that when the full frame 1D came out, a lot of MF
film shooters went for that.
And by the time the D645 comes out (if ever) well after the 5D takes hold there
will be fewer still willing to spend 1D money on a Pentax D645 IMHO.
Rob
On 21 Oct 2005 at 15:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the 645D system they will need one new wide angle and use the best part of
the old lenses. In addition they will have plenty of room for more and/or
larger
pixels than the FF sensors. So the 645D may always give better image quality
than
I wouldn't.
If it's OK for you, no problem here.
I like wide angles, and from what I've seen the Canons wide angles on
full frame is not very good. I don't think the full frame Pentax lenses
will do much better, so they will have to make new, larger and more
expensive wide angles anyway.
On 21 Oct 2005 at 15:59, Dario Bonazza wrote:
Perhaps for selling it, instead of letting most people pick a 16MP Canon or a
12MP Nikon.
You should be in Pentax marketing Dario, though I really don't see why this is
such a problem concept for many people to digest. If Pentax want me to buy a
fra: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 21 Oct 2005 at 15:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the 645D system they will need one new wide angle and use the best part
of
the old lenses. In addition they will have plenty of room for more and/or
larger
pixels than the FF sensors. So the
Yes you will. But there are a lot of shooters who will want medium format. If
someone, say Pentax for example, can produce medium format at a price that is
competitive with FF digital, it will sell. It's a wide-open market niche that
seems to be a custom fit for Pentax. The resolution and
fra: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I like wide angles, and from what I've seen the Canons wide angles on
full frame is not very good. I don't think the full frame Pentax lenses
will do much better, so they will have to make new, larger and more
expensive wide angles anyway. The
On 21 Oct 2005 at 16:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, in that case I would need new lenses anyway because my small format lenses
will not be very good on full frame. I've even discovered some purple fringing
on my 135 1.8 at small apertures (luckily I usually dont stop down much).
Try it wide
On 21 Oct 2005 at 14:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes you will. But there are a lot of shooters who will want medium format. If
someone, say Pentax for example, can produce medium format at a price that is
competitive with FF digital, it will sell. It's a wide-open market niche that
seems to
On Oct 21, 2005, at 4:12 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:
Urgh. I'd say the Pentax way is better. If and when they release an
FF body, you'll probably still be able to use the DA lenses on it
to produce (at least) the 6MP APS-C sized images the lenses were
designed for.
It's a trade off. Canon's
Dario wrote:
Today, digital FF is more than enough for at least 99% of the pro market.
For that reason I think of digital MF as a niche.
But these kind of arguments are absurd! It they made any kind of sense we would
still be driving Ford model T's.
Kodachrome was good enough for 99% of
Paul wrote:
Yes you will. But there are a lot of shooters who will want medium format. If
someone, say Pentax for example, can produce medium format at a price that is
competitive with FF digital, it will sell. It's a wide-open market niche that
seems to be a custom fit for Pentax. The
Dario wrote:
So I think the 645D to make sense only for the owners of a complete 645
outfit. Once again, a strategy for keeping some of the existing customers
from switching, not a strategy for gaining new customers.
I think that the first manufacturer who can make an MF based DSLR that
Jens wrote:
As sensors get better and better it seems to me it's a matter of time, when
there's really no need for medium format anymore. If this is true, Canon
will(again) come out ahead of the competition. I mean, what's the point in
making huge MF sensors if 35mm format is getting better
The pro shooters who show their books on the car advertising circuit are, for
the most part, migrating to MF or LF digital. Only a very few have embraced FF
35mm digital as the ultimate solution.
Paul
Dario wrote:
Today, digital FF is more than enough for at least 99% of the pro market.
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let me just add that I suspect that the first 645D will work like an
entry for the system, much like the *istD's for K-mount. The larger
format give room for far more megapixels in the future...
Except that right now, as
for professional photography?
Jens Bladt
Arkitekt MAA
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
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Fra: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. oktober 2005 20:46
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Pentax DSLR future
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Canon can't afford
Pål Jensen wote:
Dario wrote:
Today, digital FF is more than enough for at least 99% of the pro market.
For that reason I think of digital MF as a niche.
But these kind of arguments are absurd!
Not quite, read further.
It they made any kind of sense we would still be driving Ford model
Paal, apparently you always forget money. Can you afford anything you can
dream of?
Dario
Well, film was getting better and as well. That didn't prevent the
existence of medium format. And MF didn't prevent some to use large
format.
There is no such thing as good enough.
Pål
Just a niche I won't negate the existence of.
Dario
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
The pro shooters who show their books on the car advertising circuit are,
for the most
Just another small niche I won't negate the existence of. That doesn't
affect the camera industry a bit.
Dario
- Original Message -
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
As film got better
Pål Jensen wote:
Dario wrote:
Today, digital FF is more than enough for at least 99% of the pro market.
For that reason I think of digital MF as a niche.
But these kind of arguments are absurd!
Not quite, read further.
It they made any kind of sense we would still be driving Ford model
I remember vividly the conversations
that went on prior to the launch of the
*ist D. At the time I decided that
digital was not for me. That's changed
because I now have a need for lots and
lots of images and can no longer spare
the time for processing film.
I've been taking very
Dario wrote:
I never said to buy a Ford T after a Ford T, and I never said to buy a *istD
after an *istD. Where do you get such an idea from?
The point I was trying to make was virtually everything have once been regarded
as good enough, including the T Ford
I think a 16MP DSLR in a
Christian wrote:
Except that right now, as it stands, the D is the TOP Pentax model. The DL
would be the entry point into the system. Based on Pentax's strategy, I'd
expect (assuming there is a first 645D released) the 2nd 645D to be a
lesser-speced body... 645Ds()? :-)
According to
Dario wrote:
Paal, apparently you always forget money. Can you afford anything you can
dream of?
Prices will drop. I have a magazine article from over 20 years ago at the
introduction of the CD. All industry expert claimed that due to the very low
yield rate of CD manufacture (less than
Dario wrote:
Just a niche I won't negate the existence of.
Yes, but at present full frame 35mm DSLR is a niche and two years ago DSLR's
were a niche
Pål
Pål Jensen wrote:
I think a 16MP DSLR in a 35mm size (body and lenses) can offer more or
less
the same advantages when compared to a 18MP 645 system, both being a good
step over current 6MP DSLR's.
I think we all can agree that an MF DSLR that don't give better image
quality than a 35mm
So, do you truly expect that most photographers worldwide will turn into car
advertising photographers wanting digital MF???
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR
I wrote:
Generally speaking, Kodak sensors are behind Canon and Sony. The 4/3
system performs rather badly about noise control. OK, it's smaller than
APS. But the Kodak 14MP FF SLR delivered lower quality than the Canon 11MP
FF SLR, so why do you expect the 18MP Kodak to be better than the
I expect that Kodak has made quite a bit of progress since they introduced
their early sensors. They're a company with a lot at stake and quite a bit of
resources to draw upon. I bet they'll be a major player in sensor development.
Paul
Pål Jensen wrote:
I think a 16MP DSLR in a 35mm size
???
Dario
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
Dario wrote:
Just a niche I won't negate the existence of.
Yes, but at present full frame 35mm DSLR
Let's hope so...
Dario
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
I expect that Kodak has made quite a bit of progress since they introduced
their early sensors. They're a company
Dario Bonazza wrote:
Pål Jensen wrote:
I think a 16MP DSLR in a 35mm size [ ... ]
Hmmm... technology being equal, I don't expect 18MP to be so much
better than 16MP. OK, larger pixels should deliver better S/N ratio
than smaller ones, but... is technology equal? I'm afraid it won't.
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
No, but I think just as MF film cameras offered a lot to advanced
amateurs, MF digital will do the same. These cameras won't be outrageously
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
I think Pentax would lose more than they would gain by introducing a
35mm-style DSLR that disenfranchised the people to whom they just
sold new lenses.
Look at all the trouble
Dario wrote:
Just a niche I won't negate the existence of.
Yes, but at present full frame 35mm DSLR is a niche and two years
ago DSLR's were a niche
Pål
The debate is so interesting, and so complicated, and you guys have
such a great experience ! It is not easy to jump
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
Kodachrome was good enough for 99% of all 35mm outdoor shooters but still
virtually all of them switched to Velvia because it was better.
Kodachrome was as much killed by processing hassles as anything else
- Original Message -
From: Toralf Lund
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
I believe one of Mr. Chong's usual claims is that much more than 6MP with
a DA lens is pointless anyway, due to the resolution of the lens itself,
I don't know if this is correct, but I think of a higher
- Original Message -
From: Bob Shell
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
But they did prototype a very advanced medium format SLR in the late
80s.
.
FWIW, Konica also took a medium format SLR system well past the
prototype stage and almost put it into production
On 21 Oct 2005 at 21:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, but I think just as MF film cameras offered a lot to advanced amateurs, MF
digital will do the same. These cameras won't be outrageously expensive
forever.
I beleive that any camera which contains a single sensor with a large area of
On 21 Oct 2005 at 21:01, Pål Jensen wrote:
According to Pentax all *ist cameras are entry level products. They are meant
as
typically someone first DSLR. Thats the marketing idea behind it. The various
*isD models at sucessively lower prices simply makes entry level Pentax DSLR's
within
lens
resolve a lot better.
Herb
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From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
I believe one of Mr. Chong's usual claims is that much more than 6MP
with a DA lens
a 645D for $5K street is a wild fantasy. i still think $10K is about right.
Herb...
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
I beleive that any camera which contains
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: Pentax DSLR future
Kodachrome was good enough for 99% of all 35mm outdoor shooters but
still virtually all of them switched to Velvia because it was better.
Kodachrome was as much killed by processing
Pål Jensen wrote:
Dario wrote:
Today, digital FF is more than enough for at least 99% of the pro market.
For that reason I think of digital MF as a niche.
But these kind of arguments are absurd! It they made any kind of sense we would still be driving Ford model T's.
Kodachrome was
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