Re: Pentax Digital Medium Format

2008-02-07 Thread Timber
Maybe the Pentax 645D is coming out soon? :D It's been around since 2005, but many rumours said it's cancelled... .timber Ken Waller wrote: While seeking some Pentax info for parts, I came across this store finder for Pentax Products (useless for Pentax in my area), notice in the pull down

Pentax Digital Medium Format

2008-02-07 Thread Ken Waller
While seeking some Pentax info for parts, I came across this store finder for Pentax Products (useless for Pentax in my area), notice in the pull down list in the product category Digital Medium Format. http://www.pentaximaging.com/purchase/find_a_store Kenneth Waller

Re: Pentax Digital Medium Format

2008-02-07 Thread Thibouille
no, it was officially put on hold ;) In fact some strong rumours point to september :) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Pentax Digital Medium Format

2008-02-07 Thread David Mann
On Feb 8, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Timber wrote: Maybe the Pentax 645D is coming out soon? :D It's been around since 2005, but many rumours said it's cancelled... My 6x7 is digital, after you buy the accessory film scanner :( - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Thibouille
Mmm BTW do 67 lenses provide mecanical coupling when used on 645 with adaptor or one you them like M42 on K body ? 2007/2/27, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For sports shooters, it's a no brainer. You have to go with Canon. For a studio pro, who does mainly fashion, the 645 might be

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
When used on the current 645, using a 67 lens would be akin to using an M42 lens on the Pentax digitals. I expect that to be the case with the new camera. However, that's of little concern to studio shooters, who set the stop and go to work. Paul On Feb 27, 2007, at 3:58 AM, Thibouille wrote:

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Thibouille
Thanks, I was just curious, I never owned any Medium format camera. This is something I will probably do one day, but time as not come yet... 2007/2/27, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When used on the current 645, using a 67 lens would be akin to using an M42 lens on the Pentax digitals. I

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: On Feb 27, 2007, at 3:58 AM, Thibouille wrote: Mmm BTW do 67 lenses provide mecanical coupling when used on 645 with adaptor or one you them like M42 on K body ? When used on the current 645, using a 67 lens would be akin to using an M42 lens on the Pentax digitals. A

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread P. J. Alling
But will it offer open aperture metering on the 645D? Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Feb 27, 2007, at 3:58 AM, Thibouille wrote: Mmm BTW do 67 lenses provide mecanical coupling when used on 645 with adaptor or one you them like M42 on K body ? When

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: On Feb 27, 2007, at 3:58 AM, Thibouille wrote: Mmm BTW do 67 lenses provide mecanical coupling when used on 645 with adaptor or one you them like M42 on K body ? When used on the current 645, using a 67 lens would be

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread pnstenquist
Very good. I keep thinking there's a reason why I don't sel my 67 lenses. Just think what kind of reach the 67 300/4 will deliver on the 645. (I've read that it's the same lens as the 645 300/4 with a different mount.) The 55/4 should make a nice normal. It's excellent glass, and I bet it

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Thibouille
If the adapter provides the linkage then 645D should meter normally IMO. Pentax stated that 645D is compatible with all 645 lenses and the DFA55 is announced as being compatible with previous 645 bodies (and it has an aperture ring). So it should (hopefully) be OK. 2007/2/27, Mark Roberts [EMAIL

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Adam Maas
But all 645 lenses are A lenses, 67 lenses on an adaptor would be effectively K lenses (Mechanical coupling but no electronic coupling). It's quite possible the 645D will work just fine with actual 645 lenses and be stop-down with 67 lenses. -Adam Thibouille wrote: If the adapter provides

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Adam Maas wrote: ... The 67-645 adapter does provide automatic diaphragm actuation and open aperture metering. At least according to the Pentax literature. I'd love to buy one of the things if I could ever find one. But will it offer open aperture metering on

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread P. J. Alling
All 645 lenses are A lenses and are electronically identical to to the Pentax Ka lens mount. There is no 645 equivalent to a K lens but I would expect that the 67 lenses would fill that niche. Remember Ka lenses are supported by all Pentax K DSLRs but using the aperture ring for full

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Thibouille
Ah I didn't know. That said, I don't expect Pentax to drop support for this in their Pro line. 2007/2/27, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All 645 lenses are A lenses and are electronically identical to to the Pentax Ka lens mount. There is no 645 equivalent to a K lens but I would expect that

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread P. J. Alling
I do, as Pentax uses as many systems across camera lines as possible to keep costs down. The metering and auto focus electronics in the 645n were probably, (I only say probably since I've never taken either camera apart, though if someone would like to send me a 645n to sacrifice I'll be

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Scott Loveless
75mm and 135mm leaf shutter lenses have no 'A' setting. Granted, there were still soft focus FA lenses (with no 'A' setting) in the catalog when they introduced SAFOX 8 metering. As far as I know, there are no SAFOX 8 cameras with aperture levers. The 645n does, in fact, use the same metering

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Doesn't much matter. Anyone who uses 67 lenses with a 645D will probably be using it in the studio or on sticks for a location shoot. Paul On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:01 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I do, as Pentax uses as many systems across camera lines as possible to keep costs down. The metering and

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread P. J. Alling
I wouldn't be too sure about that. The 645 was much more of a field camera, (in fact the 67 was more of a field camera), and the digital version, will be one as well. Studio cameras tended to have removable backs, and digital studio cameras tend to be tethered. I think many users will be

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I think the joy I get from using a 645 or 6x6 is entirely in detail resolution so I almost always put them on a tripod for everything. That said, I think almost anyone spending as much as a 645D is going to cost for one will likely buy a couple of the 645 lenses for it. G On Feb 27, 2007,

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm not talking about the typical user. I'm talking about the numerous 6x7 studio photogs who might still be shooting film or at least have a stock of lenses. I've spoken with a number of PAs over the years who told me that a lot of NY fashion photograpers shot Pentax 6x7. Some of them

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
True enough. But it would be nice to use some that I currently own, particularly those that are identical to the 645 variant (like the 300/4). Paul On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I think the joy I get from using a 645 or 6x6 is entirely in detail resolution so I almost

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread Cotty
Hi Bill, this is rather long - get yourself a stiff drink before you read I discombobulated Sure, the price point will be important, but to business buyers, price is less of an issue. Bill replied I keep hearing this, but my experience in the world of professional photography is that

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
, 2007, at 1:14 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Pentax digital medium format Sure, the price point will be important, but to business buyers, price is less of an issue. I keep hearing this, but my experience in the world of professional

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Bill Robb wrote: There are some pro boys out there who don't need to justify equipment cost, but they are pretty rare. Most pros have a harder time justifying equipment purchases than amateurs. Man, that's the truth. I know some wedding pros - *good* wedding pros - who are shooting with

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: Pentax digital medium format In your list of considerations you left out rental availability. Very important for the things you use so seldom that buying is not sensible, and when you need a substitute because yours is in the shop

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread graywolf
In your list of considerations you left out rental availability. Very important for the things you use so seldom that buying is not sensible, and when you need a substitute because yours is in the shop. Funny, I have been looking at mixers and have about 90% decided upon the Yamaha too,

OT - Mics n audio n stuff (was: Re: Pentax digital medium format)

2007-02-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/2/07, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: In your list of considerations you left out rental availability. Very important for the things you use so seldom that buying is not sensible, and when you need a substitute because yours is in the shop. Absolutely. If my camera breaks, my first

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread Bruce Dayton
Yup - I just got some files from a wedding that the ceremony was shot somewhere else and I did the reception here in California. The photographer who did the ceremony and wedding party used a Canon 10D. Pretty good work, too, I might add. I'm sure there are some segments in the professional

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:42:15PM -0500, graywolf wrote: In your list of considerations you left out rental availability. Very important for the things you use so seldom that buying is not sensible, and when you need a substitute because yours is in the shop. To my mind that is *the* big

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
For sports shooters, it's a no brainer. You have to go with Canon. For a studio pro, who does mainly fashion, the 645 might be approving. Many of the New York fashion shooters were using the Pentax 6x7 last I heard. Don't know what they're using now. But if some are still shooting film,

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling You know what the biggest word in the English Language is don't you? Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread graywolf
Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis (at least the last I heard several years back). Oops, that is the longest. OK, I'll bite, Pete, what is the biggest? John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling You know what the biggest word in the English Language is don't you?

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-26 Thread P. J. Alling
If graywolf wrote: Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis (at least the last I heard several years back). Oops, that is the longest. OK, I'll bite, Pete, what is the biggest? John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling You know what the biggest word in the English Language is

Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Nick Wright
According to DPreview.com Pentax is going to exhibit the digi-MF at PMA: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07022501pentaxatpma2007.asp -- ~Nick Wright http://blog.phojonick.com/ http://www.phojonick.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread P. J. Alling
With no set introduction/release date. The only difference from the last show was that then it was under glass. They did the same thing with the MZ-D plenty of opportunity to quietly drop the whole project. Nick Wright wrote: According to DPreview.com Pentax is going to exhibit the digi-MF

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
The MZ-D didn't last nearly this long. And there was good reason to abandon it. If Pentax can introduce a moderately priced ($5000 or less) 32 megapixel 645, they will have a real winner on their hands. Paul On Feb 25, 2007, at 12:53 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: With no set introduction/release

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/2/07, Nick Wright, discombobulated, unleashed: According to DPreview.com Pentax is going to exhibit the digi-MF at PMA: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07022501pentaxatpma2007.asp With both SD and CF capacity I note. Pity they chose the ugly duckling design ;-) That was not one of the

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread P. J. Alling
You know what the biggest word in the English Language is don't you? Paul Stenquist wrote: The MZ-D didn't last nearly this long. And there was good reason to abandon it. If Pentax can introduce a moderately priced ($5000 or less) 32 megapixel 645, they will have a real winner on their

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: The MZ-D didn't last nearly this long. And there was good reason to abandon it. True. And if it's not just being shown under glass this time it's a very good sign. I think the major reason for the delay has been the pixel count escalation necessitated by high end

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Adam Maas
Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: The MZ-D didn't last nearly this long. And there was good reason to abandon it. True. And if it's not just being shown under glass this time it's a very good sign. I think the major reason for the delay has been the pixel count escalation

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Thibouille
Mamiya is in bad shape currently anyway. 2007/2/25, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: The MZ-D didn't last nearly this long. And there was good reason to abandon it. True. And if it's not just being shown under glass this time it's a very good

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/2/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't know if they'll hit that price but if they can get anywhere near that of the high-megapixel Canons they'll have a winner. That IMO depends on a lot of things (I'm thinking noise, build quality for starters). No good having a

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
If history is any indication, Pentax will be right up front in build quality. Compare the K10D to similar priced Canons. Nuff said. Paul On Feb 25, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Cotty wrote: On 25/2/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't know if they'll hit that price but if they can get

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
More to the point, if the 645D is built to the same quality spec as the 645, 645N and 645NII, I don't think there's *anything* to worry about. Wonderful cameras, beautifully made and very sensibly laid out. I'm sorry I didn't discover them until recently ... G On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:37 PM,

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/2/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: If history is any indication, Pentax will be right up front in build quality. Compare the K10D to similar priced Canons. Nuff said. Yeah, I'll buy that. But as well as comparing apples with apples, let's compare pro oranges with pro

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/2/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: More to the point, if the 645D is built to the same quality spec as the 645, 645N and 645NII, I don't think there's *anything* to worry about. Wonderful cameras, beautifully made and very sensibly laid out. I'm sorry I didn't

Re: Pentax digital medium format

2007-02-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Pentax digital medium format Sure, the price point will be important, but to business buyers, price is less of an issue. I keep hearing this, but my experience in the world of professional photography is that it is wrong