RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-07 Thread David Chang-Sang
: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 3:16 AM To: Pentax List Subject: RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! Hi Dave, At the time Pentax announced they were scrapping plans for the 6MP full-frame DSLR, they also announced that they would

Re: Digital backs, medium format and more (was: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!)

2002-09-07 Thread Jostein
...:-) Jostein - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] From a Canadian retailer: Hi Rob I was speaking to my Pentax Rep this afternoon (Fri Sept 6) and while discussing the end of the Optio 230, he mentioned (again) that he is going to PhotoKina this month. So, I naturally

Re: Digital backs, medium format and more (was: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!)

2002-09-07 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
Pål wrote: Is this impression in general or limited to the digital slr? The lacking of a digital SLR is the best example of the critical situation. However, my idea about nothing REALLY new to be shown at Photokina is general. According to my Pentax sorces, they don't have the foggiest idea

Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Pål Jensen
According to inside information great news are expected at Photokina. Pentax is holding the cards closely, but they will show a product or products in products segment(s) they have previously not been present in. It is believed that this is digital slr(s). Of course it could be scanners

RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Rob Brigham
PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 September 2002 12:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! According to inside information great news are expected at Photokina. Pentax is holding the cards closely, but they will show a product or products

RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Rob Brigham
likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! On another sidenote, Pentax 645/67 is _the_ MedF SLR for serious field work because of compactness and ruggedness. A digital solution will have to live up to that. Power consumption could be an issue too, and external storage media

RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Peter Alling
I think that it might be a different problem. Digital backs are of real use in the studio. From what I know of them they use a lot of processing power and a lot of electrical power. Pentax produces what have been acknowledged as field cameras. Maybe film still rules in the field with MF.

RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Rob Brigham
at Photokina! I think that it might be a different problem. Digital backs are of real use in the studio. From what I know of them they use a lot of processing power and a lot of electrical power. Pentax produces what have been acknowledged as field cameras. Maybe film still rules

Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Pål Jensen
Mark wrote: I am expecting an announcement of a digital SLR but no prototype but who knows? Again, this is possible. Something is going to be shown and the expectations are high. It was assumed to be a digital slr. Anyway, if Pentax do not release a digital slr now, I for one expect an

RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That's quite reasonable actually. Most if not all the MF digital backs are tied to a PC too I believe. the most recent Kodak one isn't. don't know about battery life though. also, a mere $12K list. Herb...

RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Rob Brigham
And probably fixed ISO too? -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 September 2002 16:13 To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Rob Brigham
Pentax has indeed now done. Time will tell.) -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham Sent: 06 September 2002 15:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! There was talk that the 645nii has power outlet sockets for a digital

Digital backs, medium format and more (was: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!)

2002-09-06 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
Hi friends, Here below you'll find the text on an article by me, published in Spotmatic magazine No.33, about new developments by Pentax. Is it of any interest to the current discussion about Photokina stuff? Bye, Dario Bonazza http://www.dariobonazza.com

Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
From Pål - but they will show a product or products in products segment(s) they have previously not been present in. They would be also new in IS and USM Regards Rüdiger

RE: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And probably fixed ISO too? see one of the most recent two Shutterbug magazines. i think variable ISO. i'm not yet a MF guy. may become one in a few years, but not yet. Herb

RE: Leica might (possibly) show a digital SLR at Photokina too??

2002-09-06 Thread Rob Brigham
Rumours for the opposition too: I have been hearing some rumors about leica having a new dSLR which will be showed for the 1st time in photokina. Is anyone knows some thing about this?

RE: Leica might (possibly) show a digital SLR at Photokina too??

2002-09-06 Thread Sas Gabor
Hi, On 6 Sep 2002 at 16:35, Rob Brigham wrote: I have been hearing some rumors about leica having a new dSLR which will be showed for the 1st time in photokina. Hmmm, an R8 digital... I hope it would be far too expensive to even think about it for me, or I might become faithless to my LX

Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Pål Jensen
Jostein wrote: Today I browsed through the websites of 3rd party makers of digital backs. What really struck me was that Pentax is the _only_ MedF brand they don't deliver for. If they can make solutions for Contax or Bronica, why not for Pentax? Most likely because they don't want them

Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Pål Jensen
David wrote: Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from a lot of users out thereBUT no interchangeability. Only inserts. While it probably could be done, it would have to be done with Pentax's blessing and with their help. Pentax engineers would have

Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Pål Jensen
Rob wrote: There was talk that the 645nii has power outlet sockets for a digital insert on luminous landscape. Has anyone confirmed this? Pål? It's the contact for the remote releases. Pål

Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original Message: - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:32:36 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! David wrote: Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from

Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Brendan
to enter. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message: - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:32:36 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! David wrote: Now we look

Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina! Remember the MZ-D, with the 6mp sensor that the contax dslr now uses, it was finished and ready. Pentax just decided that the price was not in line with the market trend and getting the chips was not easy either

Re: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!

2002-09-06 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
at Photokina! David wrote: Now we look at Pentax - Great 67, decent 645, and lots of support from a lot of users out thereBUT no interchangeability. Only inserts. While it probably could be done, it would have to be done with Pentax's blessing and with their help

Re: Digital backs, medium format and more (was: Pentax WILL (most likely) show a digital SLR at Photokina!)

2002-09-06 Thread Pål Jensen
development at Pentax, not just hopes. It is likely we'll see something at Photokina next September, and something more at PMA next Spring. Looks like Pentax is working harder than during the last decade, after all. Let's hope we're not getting too dissapointed with Photokina. This sort of stuff

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-05 Thread Alan Chan
Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same thing would be true for a flagship Pentax. Pentax will never recover the RD costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot film SLR. The whole film SLR market is shrinking due to digital. It will go from single digit to

New Pentax at Photokina shock!!

2002-09-05 Thread Rob Brigham
Yessir, introducing the MZ-BS!!! The new Bacon Sarnie from Pentax, also available in kit form with the optional CG10 cheese grater attachment. Fill it with C-31 (Cheddar) or T6 (Tomato sauce) and fire away. We now know the MZ-D is to be scrapped in favour of the MZ-C. The flagship MZ-1 has

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-05 Thread Alan Chan
That was 1985. Only Herb Keppler and Goobers care what Minolta does now. I doubt it. regards, Alan Chan _ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)

2002-09-05 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Herb, Resolution test done with real film indicate the performance of the film and lens combination. The actual resolution of the lens is much higher than indicated in a simple test. The relation ship is 1/final resolution = 1/film

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-05 Thread Johan Schoone
Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The future existance of film based cameras might be debateble, but I always thought good lenses were important. I know Photoshop can do wonders, but no amount of sharpening can replace high resolution lenses. Am I missing something? I don't think so. We

Re: New Pentax at Photokina shock!!

2002-09-05 Thread Fred
Yessir, introducing the MZ-BS!!! [snip] a place far far away [snip] Pal Skywalker [snip] to rise against them. OK, Rob, so is this thread gonna have more truth to it than the usual PDML speculation threads do ??? ;-) Fred

RE: New Pentax at Photokina shock!!

2002-09-05 Thread Rob Brigham
No, its got as much BS as most of the other stuff ;-) -Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 September 2002 12:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax at Photokina shock!! Yessir, introducing the MZ-BS!!! [snip] a place far far away [snip

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-05 Thread Steve Desjardins
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that Minolta sells more SLR's than Pentax. Of course, Minolta does advertize. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/02 05:08AM That was 1985. Only Herb Keppler and Goobers care what Minolta does now. I doubt it. regards, Alan Chan

No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax exposition :-( http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?CLSID={3d7 5c7b3e03ec-15-50586} -- Best Regards Sylwek

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Jostein
sigh same old news, then. Strange, though, that Single Lens Reflex Cameras is listed twice... Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax exposition

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Bob Rapp
- Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting list! Lenses for large and medium format cameras! Schniender/Rodenstock - take notice! Bob Oh, it really does not list and new items.

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is AWFULLY good at keeping secrets (except from you lot here) :) and as such, I was thinking that the DSLR would become a reality. I had heard rumour, heresay and the general whispers that accompany them. Now, my hopes are dashed. *sigh* I'll wait till the end of Photokina. If there's nothing

Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Robert Woerner
as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina

RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:18:23 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Touble is, with digital cameras the bugs don't get ironed out completely - you get a replacement

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Doug, Neither do I.. :) You'll note I said I would wait until AFTER Photokina :) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:53:36 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? You know, I make all

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Cotty
Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax exposition :-( http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index.php?CLSID={3d7 5c7b3e03ec-15-50586} Poppycock. There's nothing on that list that tells me that a DSLR will not be shown. Cotty

RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Nosal
At 10:46 AM 9/4/02 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote: THE FUTURE IS DIGITAL. ... I still feel somebody is going to come up with a full frame sensor which will retrofit to existing film SLRs, especially once the full frame sensors get cheap enuff. Maybe not if DSLR bodies get cheap enuff real fast.

RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
-Original Message- From: Michael Nosal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? At 10:46 AM 9/4/02 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote: THE FUTURE IS DIGITAL. ... I still feel somebody

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Kristian Walsh
optic guided buggy whips. BR (Doug, you gotta fix the Digests!) -Original Message- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Photokina pages were updated

Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Doesn't Pentax lose money every year lately? - Original Message - From: Robert Woerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? OK guys and gals, go shoot some Kodachrome, get it developed

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
Volume. Actually, Canon does make money selling cameras: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/page16.html Camera segment sales were ¥211,392 million, up 20.8%. Silver-based photographic cameras are cited as continuing to decrease due to market tilt toward digital cameras and low pricing of

Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Brendan
]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? OK guys and gals, go shoot some Kodachrome, get it developed, and look at it on the light table. You will all feel better as you wait to see what Pentax has up it's sleeve. Robert Remember, Canon and Nikon lose money on their digital cameras(how

Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Steve Desjardins
as good publicity. speaking for myself, i would definitely pass a $5K whizz bang gadget that takes worse pictures than any $100 ps, but would seriously consider $1K slr that had USM, IS etc. and i suspect, i am not the only one. By the way, my spell checker keeps trying to replace Photokina

Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Brendan
Pentax may have thought that it will not save them and decided not to release their pj-1 --- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would such a camera save Pentax. I have no clue. It certainly didn't help Minolta that much.

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Dick wrote: Didn't anyone read the repeat of Herb Keppler's article on Photokina here yesterday? He explains very specifically why Pentax and Minolta are not in the digital SLR game. But Keppler is wrong. There are more Pentax lenses out there than Canon EF lenses. Pål

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Sylwester wrote: Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax exposition :-( Huh Why not wait until Photokina and see whats being showed? The web page you mention has never been a preview for whats being shown. Pentax won't disclose anything until they release

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pal Jensen
JCO wrote: They didnt go AE till the ES, years after others had it. Huh?? The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and the first with aperture priority auto. Pal

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Ryan wrote: Doesn't Pentax lose money every year lately? Almost nothing comparisons to the market leaders in digital. Pål

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Steve Desjardins
PROTECTED] Subject: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Photokina pages were updated, and it seems there is no D-SLR on Pentax exposition :-( http://www.ausstellerliste-koelnmesse.de/besuchsplanung/index. php?CLSID={3d7 5c7b3e03ec-15-50586} -- Best Regards Sylwek

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
, 2002 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? JCO wrote: They didnt go AE till the ES, years after others had it. Huh?? The ES was the worlds first camera with electronic shutter and the first with aperture priority auto. Pal

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Bill Owens
Plus, how many pros would buy a yellow camera :-) No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM Really? I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese, despite the objections of neighbouring standholders. -- Kristian

Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)

2002-09-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! (But think of all the money

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Steve wrote: I'm definitely not saying that Pentax needs a DSLR to stay in business. I'm saying that my fear is that Pentax might have so much financial trouble (for any reason) that they will go the Olympus route and stop producing their better cameras, especially the 35 mm variety. I

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pl Jensen
JCO wrote: Other SLR makers most notably Konica had AE (shutter priority) via automatic aperture setting lenses around 5 years before the Pentax ES. aperture priority isnt the only way to get AE. But only Konica nd Canon bothered with this kind of auto. Most other manufacturers like

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote: Are these, like, every lens ever made, catalog entries, or real (you can buy) AF lenses in current production? I'm talking production numbers. Not exclusively AF lenses. I find the idea of a digital slr that take 70's or 80's lenses, in addition to current ones, to be a sound

Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)

2002-09-04 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of mail on that gaffe! nothing because

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Matjaz Osojnik
Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? Plus, how many pros would buy a yellow camera :-) No good. Doesn't have a metal lens mount . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 12:41PM Really? I hear Nikon will have a fifty-foot high F5 carved out of cheese, despite

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
Aside from Minolta users, no one cared, because it was a Minolta. The same thing would be true for a flagship Pentax. Pentax will never recover the RD costs, let alone make a profit, on a hot snot film SLR. The whole film SLR market is shrinking due to digital. It will go from single digit to

Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Mike Ignatiev
...if those were only legal in my state... Anyone trying to make a case for Pentax coming out with a new high end body and line of lenses is a strong candidate for psychotropic drugs.

Re: Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Steve Desjardins
Move to Nevada. It looks like they're getting close . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/04/02 04:05PM ...if those were only legal in my state... Anyone

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
the leaders in that area. JCO -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina? JCO wrote: Other SLR makers most notably Konica had AE (shutter priority) via

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Steve Desjardins
You know, I think the 50 ft F5 of cheese has the makings of acrhetype, at least for Pentaxians. I think Kristian gets the credit. Jung would have been proud. . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pål Jensen
, in particular, has been busy lately catering to existing customers, not new ones without lenses. Although I'm slightly sceptical to major launches at Photokina, it would be funny if your last sentence above turn into one of those famous last words... Pål

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread Pl Jensen
JCO wrote: Zero impact? I disagree, if you wanted AE in the 1960's SLR, Pentax couldnt deliver. I think my point was that hardly anyone wanted AE in the 60's. Particularly not in that form.. Pål

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread frank theriault
to a post office, and what if the stuff is damaged in shipping, and the buyer stops payment on your cheque? Stay local, my boy!! vbg regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'll wait till the end of Photokina. If there's nothing.. absolutely nothing.. I'm going to say goodbye to the k

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Pal, The Yashica Electro 35 had an aperture priority electronic shutter. When did they come out, around 1968? Maybe earlier. I'm quite certain that they preceded the ES. Of course, they were rangefinders, so the ES would be the first aperture priority SLR with an electronic shutter,

RE: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread David Chang-Sang
19mm f3.8 and the 50mm f1.4 SMC-M all need homes still.. I'm still waiting though for photokina... please Pentax.. don't disappoint :) Dave -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re

Re: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?

2002-09-04 Thread frank theriault
Hey, Dave, You obviously missed my point. I wanted you to offer them to ~me~ before the list! I'm thinking Viv 19mm, SMC 1.4 50mm, and the LX body... g -frank David Chang-Sang wrote: Not to worry Frank.. everything (if I decide to go that route) will be offered list wide first before

Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)

2002-09-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what has he been smoking? Man, he's gonna get a *lot* of

Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)

2002-09-04 Thread Bob Blakely
Not a gaffe. Think a little more... Regards, Bob... From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote from Herb Keppler's article : In other words, unlike film, the bigger sensor area does not necessarily produce needed higher resolution. Just what

Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?)

2002-09-04 Thread Mishka
give us a clue? - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: Re: OT: Herb Keppler's article (Re[2]: No Pentax D-SLR on Photokina?) Not a gaffe. Think a little more... Regards, Bob... From: Mark

Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So they may be called ISC lenses? In previous patents they have called it blur correcting - BC lenses. I vote for motion control - hey, it works for running shoes! ;-) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com

Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-02 Thread Jostein
A TC that allows for T/S... hmmm. Think I would buy one of those too... But hey, imagine the Ultimate Solution here: a TC with T and S and IS and maybe AF with a USM to allow for mf lenses. That would be something. :-) Jostein From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting prospect, I'd

RE: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-02 Thread Rob Brigham
It certainly would! IT would be pretty big too I would have thought!!! -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 September 2002 12:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina A TC that allows for T/S... hmmm. Think I

Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-02 Thread Jostein
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] It certainly would! IT would be pretty big too I would have thought!!! Hehe... Bet it would. Those features just about sums up everything people on the list have been lusting for in a good while. Maybe it's to be called the PDML converter...:-) Jostein

RE: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-02 Thread Rob Brigham
Yeah, but we would still complain about whether it was silver, or black or perhaps red only in the States, Green only in Europe and every colour plus snakeskin in Japan!!! What we need is for is also to have a chameleon coating so that it changes colour automatically to match the lens mounted on

Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-02 Thread Kristian Walsh
Like Jostein, I kind of had the idea that this was for 645 lenses, but as you say, a TC already projects a wider image circle than the attached lens. The only downside is that you'd lose resolution and speed. Speed wouldn't be much of a problem for the applications you'd use a tilt/shift lens

RE: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-02 Thread Steve Desjardins
A TC which does IS would be a very interesting object. Since it would probably be unwieldy you would still want to have IS lenses. Nonetheless, Having something which could add IS to the existing lense base would be interesting, especially since there is good evidence that camera shake adds

RE: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-02 Thread Shaun Canning
Only if it was digital Shaun -Original Message- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 2 September 2002 10:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] It certainly would! IT would be pretty

Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-02 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 Sep 2002 at 17:54, Dr E D F Williams wrote: Will someone please tell us how image stabilisers, that have been mentioned in recent posts, work? Don, Try here :-) http://www.usa.canon.com/eflenses/technology/imagestabilizer.html Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel

K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-01 Thread Kristian Walsh
Hi all, I've been looking through those recent patent applications, and I've come to the conclusion that something big is coming at Photokina: By big, I mean a new family of lenses including Image stablising lenses and silent focussing motors. Also on the cards looks to be an image

Re: K-AF3 lens mount coming at Photokina

2002-09-01 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Kristian Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is also an intriguing mention of a tilt/shift rear converter, but I suspect this is speculation rather than a real product (I'd buy one, though). A converter for which lenses? t/s demands that the lens can cover a

Re: Photokina news

2002-08-19 Thread Pål Jensen
Rüdiger wrote: New Leica R9 Successor for the Nikon F5 (digital and analog version) Interesting with rumors of more high-end 35mm slr's. Will Pentax see it as a viable venue as well? New digital von Olympus with a new lens mount which support also other companies (Fuji, ..) This one is

Photokina news

2002-08-18 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
In the german foto magazin there was the following news as a prediction for the Photokina, Sept 25-30: Successor for the Canon EOS 300 New Leica R9 Successor for the Nikon F5 (digital and analog version) New digital von Olympus with a new lens mount which support also other companies (Fuji

Re: Photokina

2002-08-15 Thread Cotty
-Photokina news leaks or press releases. I dare say there will be a flurry of reports to the list upon first confirmation of any Pentax DSLR - keep watching the skies! Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL

RE: Photokina

2002-08-15 Thread Glen O'Neal
: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:19 PM To: Pentax List Subject: Re: Photokina I'm also planning to attend, but haven't decided which day(s) yet. Perhaps some other PDMLers will also be there? I can see Cotty there; big Mike will be playing the role of investigative reporter, pinning the chairman

Re: Photokina

2002-08-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Glen O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone noticed that one of the items listed as being exhibited by the Pentax booth is a Digital SLR? Perhaps I am mistaken but this is what it looks like to me. follow this link:

Re: Photokina

2002-08-15 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
I'll be there, from 24 to26. Dario Bonazza http://www.dariobonazza.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Photokina If you can arrange for yourself to arrive

RE: Photokina comments...

2002-07-25 Thread Cameron Hood
Inkjet printers... Slide scanners... Digital media (inks and papers)... Large format lenses... Exposure meters and rangefinders... Viewfinder cameras with autofocus (k mount?)... K mount Digital SLR... Underwater housings... Could all our hopes and dreams be coming true simultaneously? Wouldn't

Re: Photokina comments...

2002-07-25 Thread Kristian Walsh
Hi, Well, some of these are not new products, Inkjet printers... These are small ones for laptop users (I think they're on www.pentax.com somewhere) Viewfinder cameras with autofocus (k mount?)... VIEWfinder cameras with autofocus == Espio series. But never mind those, what about... K

Re: Photokina comments...

2002-07-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25 Jul 2002 at 22:52, Kristian Walsh wrote: Hi, Well, some of these are not new products, But never mind those, what about... K mount Digital SLR... WOOHOO! ! ! ! ;-) Sounds good, I just hope those who end up talking to the trade reps don't find the conversation very much like this

Re: Photokina comments...

2002-07-25 Thread Pål Jensen
this at Photokina. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .

Re: Limited Lenses at Photokina ...

2002-06-16 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Paul wrote: Remember in 2001 when the list was abuzz with reports of a Limited 18mm? Maybe that's one of them. That was not a Limited lens but a plain FA lens. The lens got so far that it had gotten a product number and a price (the same as the 31 Limited). I don't know why this lens has

Re: Limited Lenses at Photokina ...

2002-06-16 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Alexander wrote: I was asking a leading question. You'd mentioned additional lenses. But you hadn't specified Photokina. I hoped by asking if there would be MORE then one you might confirm that there might be at least one. There are at least one but don't know when it will be released

Re: Limited Lenses at Photokina ...

2002-06-16 Thread Cameron Hood
Aha... June 16th, 2002... Paal spills the beans... it's... a 31 - 77 limited zoom Seems like just the kind of wierd thing only Pentax is capable of. Lets hope not. June 17th, 2002... Paal is killed by an enraged Pentax employee... C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail

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