Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-15 Thread Carlos Royo
William Robb escribió: Well cripes almighty Carlos! How can you get on your high horse and make a statment like that without making formal, scientific, error free tests. Don't you realize that visual impressions gotten by long experience in the field don't mean shit around here? Haven't you figur

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-15 Thread Carlos Royo
Jens Bladt escribió: I did some quick tests - and now it seems to have improved to the same performance as the Tokina 2.8-4.3 28-70mm at 28mm and still much better at 70mm. It's still not as impressive as it used to be. Not as sharp as the (very expensive) SMC FA 2.8/28-70mm. Yes, I agree. If I cou

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Jens Bladt
Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 15. november 2004 00:05 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Dropped it the sea f

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! He's not the dumb one, (take a guess who is), You really want me to put that guess out there Mr. test it to death.? William Robb

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell
. JCO == - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! > Yes, he said the lens was more flare prone than a SMC len

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Peter J. Alling
Message- From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! I managed to fix one problem: For some time I couldn't shift the focus clutch to

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Rob Studdert
On 14 Nov 2004 at 16:47, William Robb wrote: > Well cripes almighty Carlos! > How can you get on your high horse and make a statment like that > without making formal, scientific, error free tests. > Don't you realize that visual impressions gotten by long experience > in the field don't mean sh

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Don Sanderson
ont of the > lens barrel. I guess there's not much flare protection at 28mm. > > Jens Bladt > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: Andre Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 14. november 2004 17:43 > Til

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Jens Bladt
---Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Andre Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 14. november 2004 17:43 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! >I have this lens, and I also had the F 35-80 4-5.6, until I sold the >latter la

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Carlos Royo" Subject: Re: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Yes, I said the lens is more flare prone than SMC lenses. I have not run comparison tests, as I don't waste my time in that kind of thin

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! well it would be pretty dumb for the original poster to make a general statement that the tokina lens was more flare prone than the SMC

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Carlos Royo
J. C. O'Connell escribió: Yes, he said the lens was more flare prone than a SMC lens. One would have to assume under same conditions. Either both using hoods or both not using hoods. If his comparison was with hoods, then adding one didn't help did it? If the comparison was without hoods my point i

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell
My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! > Yes, he said the lens was more flare prone than a SMC lens.

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Yes, he said the lens was more flare prone than a SMC lens. One would have to assume under same conditions. I wouldn't count on that. William Robb

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! > Zooms do

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Zooms do not inherently have to have noticeable distortion, sure a lot of cheap ones do, but that does not make it acceptable or min

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell
ECTED] Subject: Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! > It's "only" d

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! It's "only" disadvantages is that it has noticeable distortion at 28mm and that is flare prone? HAR! The distortion

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Carlos Royo
Jens Bladt escribió: I have found it no more prone to flare than other wide angle lenses. I good lens hood is usually crutial for a wide angel, isn't it? I always use it with the original hood, but in the bright sunny days so common here in Southern Europe, it is evident that this lens flares much

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > It's "only" disadvantages is that it has noticeable distortion at 28mm > and that is flare prone? HAR! > > That’s like buying a car with its "only" disadvantages being a wimpy > engine and a bad suspension... Actuall, no, it's like buying a car with

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Carlos Royo
J. C. O'Connell escribió: It's "only" disadvantages is that it has noticeable distortion at 28mm and that is flare prone? HAR! That’s like buying a car with its "only" disadvantages being a wimpy engine and a bad suspension... Every 24-to-something or 28-to-something I've had or used showed more

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Andre Langevin
I have this lens, and I also had the F 35-80 4-5.6, until I sold the latter last January, and the Tokina is sharper. In fact, it is very sharp for a zoom lens, its only disadvantages being noticeable barrel distortion at 28 mm. and that it is a flare prone lens, compared to SMC Pentax lenses. T

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Jens Bladt
Sendt: 14. november 2004 17:24 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Arghhh My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! It's "only" disadvantages is that it has noticeable distortion at 28mm and that is flare prone? HAR! That’s like buying a car with its "onl

RE: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread J. C. O'Connell
PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !! Jens Bladt escribió: > So, I tested my lenses. It's really, really bad. My Tokina is > absolutely worthless. It may b

Re: Arghhh.... My Tokina AT-X ProII 28-70mm sucks big time (Lens test results) !!

2004-11-14 Thread Carlos Royo
Jens Bladt escribió: So, I tested my lenses. It's really, really bad. My Tokina is absolutely worthless. It may be due to wrong focusing on a digital, but I doubt it. I always have considered this an excellent lens. Befor I bought it I tested it agains my Pentax FA 28-80mm Powerzomm, and found that