Well, I will agree that the very best primes are better than the
very best zooms. But, once you get to the point the lens is
professionally acceptable it becomes more of desire than a
need.
If the quality of the image is very important I will go with a
bigger negative. Remember, my Graphic
Since my primary camera for most of the last fifteen years was a
Mamiya Universal, I don't think so.
But, if my primary income, instead of just occasional, was from
photography I would have felt the need for a newer system. The
reason for that is the need for off the shelf equipment
Last week, after the opening of this month's PUG
gallery, I uploaded some of my photos and asked if the members of this very fine
group of Pentax Users would mind taking a look at them and telling me what is
right or wrong about them and how I could try to improve them.
the feedback I got
Eduardo Carone Costa Jr
Much to my amusement, my initial thread developed into a string
of commentaries about the merits of cropping an image and the
use of zoom lenses. These two subjects seem to be perfect
exempla of never ending no wining battles.
Yes, there seems to be a derth of
Hi,
The gist of my post was this: Had HCB/Adams been around to shoot "pro" zooms,
would they have, and would their zooms shots be masterpieces?
That is the question[s].
HCB _is_ still around. Nowadays he mostly uses pencils.
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Zooms make you lazy? Huh? How? That is a new twist on an old urban legend.
Applied to me. I had the same problem with zooms.
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William Robb wrote:
Even in medium format, there are only a handful of zooms
available from all the manufacturers combined.
Pentax makes a whole ONE zoom for the 67: the 55-100.
-Aaron
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On 6 Mar 2001, at 9:41, Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
Bill, I find it interesting that you have again and again
disparaged the use of zooms and cropping in this never ending
thread (renamed several times), and that your gallery entry this
month is a highly cropped zoom lens photo.
How do you
I can't help but reply to this, and I will probably regret doing so... But
here goes...
Actually, the only thing prime only shooters have is faster-maybe
sharper. What other outstanding attributes do primes offer a "pro" zoom
won't?
Well, without commenting about image quality, flexibility,
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Bill, I find it interesting that you have again and again
disparaged the us
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From: "Rob Studdert"
Subject: Re: Primes Vs. Zooms: was: Re: More on croppng (Was: An
important step)
Hi Tom,
I will take a gamble on this ( tell me how wrong I am Bill ),
I suspect Bill is
referring to considered composition not simply grab shots
(l
William Robb wrote:
What I find sad about this thread is that the PJ card got
played immediately, like as if that is the only way to
photograph something. "Get it now, get it while it's hot" seems
to be the mentality. I don't work that way, I never have. I
think that it is cheating the
Sure, Bill, I agree with you to a point. But those large slow
moving cameras are for that kind of work. Except for folks who
are too poor to own but one camera, why would one want to work
that way with 35mm? And, those relatively poor photographers
aren't going to have a bag full of primes.
I
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Subject: Re: Primes Vs. Zooms: was: Re: More on croppng (Was: An
important step)
"This is my way. What is
your way? There is no such thing as THE WAY."
--Tom
I never said it was the right way
But it's my way.
Sure is wo
me,
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Subject: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
In a message dated 3/4/2001 1:41:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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I think the zoom lens, in the hands of an experienced
photographe
, even if only slightly so.
Tom C.
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Subject: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
Tom wrote:
http://pug.komkon.org/00febr/WoodenBoats.htm was shot with a prime. It
has a
crispness and clarity (not blowing my own ho
Hi Dan
I sure like the sound of this. (What took you so slong?) Thanks!
Jens
Something I try to keep in mind, when listening to someone speak of
something they love to do and feel strongly about, is that their comments
are as likely to come from the heart as from the head. It's passion, and
Tom C. here with my Mafud-hat on. :-)
Except when focusing on the differences broadens our perspective while
looking for the commonality makes us smuggly complacent.
We'd all be a lot better off looking for the commonality of our
mutual obsession, than focusing on the differences in the ways
Comments mixed in.
At 05:24 PM 3/5/01 EST, you wrote:
In a message dated 3/5/2001 11:41:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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I agree - either cropping with a zoom or copping by proximity works for
me.
Hi Tom!
We often forget, when shooting primes, that composition has a
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Sent: March 5, 2001 4:24 PM
Subject: Primes Vs. Zooms: was: Re: More on croppng (Was: An
important step)
What we don't ever factor into the discussion is this: what
would HCB, Adams
and the other "prime only&qu
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From: Mafud
Subject: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
Bill,
I was trying to quench a growing fire, this "zooms as inferior
photographic
tools" thread abuilding in our midst.
I don't know where this started. I originally stated my
thoug
William Robb wrote:
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I also think that the budding photographer should skip 35mm completely
and move straight to medium format.
That will, I am sure, open another can of worms.
Bill, why didn't someone tell me this 10 years ago? :-) You are a fine
friend.
Tom C.
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I have a headache and am not sure how coherent this is going to
wind up being, but here goes anyhow. I need to wrap this up
and get back to work, so I'm going to be a bit more lazy with my
text-editing than I'd usually allow myself... How, ah, ironically
_a_propos_. Didn't plan it that way,
Interesting. I didn't know a lens had a point of view. I thought that was
what the photographer decided. Point of view (perspective and angle) are
decided by location. You use your feet to get it correct. Framing is
decided by focal length (or cropping) you use your zoom lens, or cropping to
Lasse Karlsson wrote:
[snip]
... I try not to let me get "tyrannised" by the limitations of the
viewfinder/negative format etc.
You are not a purist, then. You are one of those people who believe the
purpose of photography is to get the picture you want at the end of the
process as best you
In a message dated 3/4/2001 9:30:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I always find the view that cropping is a horrible practice kind of
amusing.
HCB cropped! And what's good for ~him~ is good for the masses!
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:40:05 -0600, William Robb wrote:
Lazy making tools beget lazy technique. Lazy technique
begets sloppy vision.
Sloppy vision is what bad photography is about.
At least, that's what I think.
Bravo! =Very= well said!!
Later,
Gary
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"William Robb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Photography is the art of seeing. The idea is to see what
you want to be in the picture, and include only those relevant
elements in the viewfinder, giving yourself just enough room
around the edges for printer cut-off if you have machine prints
made,
On 4 Mar 2001, at 11:17, Mike Johnston wrote:
If you want to ensure that you'll never become a good photographer, IMO, use
a zoom lens, crop everything, and scan everything into Photoshop. You'll
squander all your time and creative energy diddling around with "almost good
enough" photographs
In a message dated 3/4/2001 12:21:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Many photographers crop; a few photographers
crop effectively; many good photographers who would otherwise prefer not to
have their workk cropped have to put up with having it cropped by art
directors,
In a message dated 3/4/2001 12:21:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you want to ensure that you'll never become a good photographer, IMO, use
a zoom lens, crop everything, and scan everything into Photoshop. You'll
squander all your time and creative energy diddling
In a message dated 3/4/2001 1:41:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think the zoom lens, in the hands of an experienced
photographer is a powerful tool, but in the hands of an
untrained tyro it is as dangerous as a loaded Colt 45 in the
hands of a child, from the POV
This reminds me of a time when a green reporter gave me a 36 column/inch
article and I only had room for 21 inches. She insisted that it couldn't be
cut to 21 inches. After I took a scissors out of my desk drawer and cut it to
21 inches, she agreed that maybe she could do a better job of
Mike J. wrote:
All I was saying is that there are also excellent reasons to choose not to
crop, which is also true.
Well, you sure had a funny way of saying it... :)
Anyway, what you're now saying I agree with.
Lasse
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From: Mafud
Subject: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
In a message dated 3/4/2001 1:41:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think the zoom lens, in the hands of an experienced
photographer is a powerful tool,
What has this
with you, just noticing a slight preference.
I doubt anyone could pick a cropped Vs. Full-frame.
Tom C.
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Bill,
I was trying to quench
In a message dated 3/5/2001 1:21:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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For instance http://pug.komkon.org/00febr/WoodenBoats.htm was shot with a
prime. It has a crispness and clarity (not blowing my own horn) even at this
low resolution that I don't see in some of my zoom
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