On 3/8/2012 4:56 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: mike wilson
On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websites or pages that I may want to refer
back to that I may not have bookmarked. And since it'
On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:40 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity, what harm comes to you from Google, or anyone else,
>>> collecting this information?
>>
>> Don't know. But a) it's mine and b) what good comes of it?
>
> It's kind of like the devil offering you something for y
On 3/9/2012 4:47 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 09/03/2012 01:59, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websites or pages that I ma
On 3/8/2012 8:40 PM, John Francis wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 04:59:35PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websit
There are three alternatives for our data: 1/ we keep control of them, 2/ we
lose control of them, 3/ we don't really know as we are not lawyers. There are
rights and laws, but things are slightly complicated by terms of service,
touchy techies, communities, page ranking algorithm, hugeness .. T
>
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
>
Exactly - we're all entitled to keep out custard recipes secret!
B
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> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 8:01 AM, John Sessoms
> wrote:
> > Yeah, but that doesn't mean that they'll actually be any safer.
> >
>
> Well, yeah, the Net is a human social construct, and like any such
> construct, has dangers for the weak and unprotected. It's not obvious
> to me that a kid spendi
Tim, that's interesting. Have you had any concern about kid photos
that other people post. I'm thinking of other parents posting photos
from parties, sports events and the like. How do you handle that?
My kids were older by the time the net "got big" and I didn't have to
think about this very m
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 8:01 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
> Yeah, but that doesn't mean that they'll actually be any safer.
>
Well, yeah, the Net is a human social construct, and like any such
construct, has dangers for the weak and unprotected. It's not obvious
to me that a kid spending time poking a
From: Larry Colen
I suspect that when he has children at that age, he will be far less worried
for their safety from web access.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that they'll actually be any safer.
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From: "Bob W"
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Larry Colen
[...]
It's my feeling that privacy is, for the most part, an anomalous
concept in human society nearly unique to our time and culture. For
[...]
We have since developed the notion of the indivi
On Mar 9, 2012, at 11:53 PM, steve harley wrote:
> on 2012-09-03 17:02 Larry Colen wrote
>> It's my feeling that privacy is, for the most part, an anomalous concept in
>> human society nearly unique to our time and culture. For most of human
>> history, most people lived in small villages, or
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Colen
[...]
>
> It's my feeling that privacy is, for the most part, an anomalous
> concept in human society nearly unique to our time and culture. For
[...]
We have since developed the notion of the individual, and
on 2012-09-03 17:02 Larry Colen wrote
It's my feeling that privacy is, for the most part, an anomalous concept in
human society nearly unique to our time and culture. For most of human
history, most people lived in small villages, or nomadic tribes, generally
sharing one room houses (or tents
On 10/03/2012 01:02, Larry Colen wrote:
It's my feeling that privacy is, for the most part, an anomalous concept in
human society nearly unique to our time and culture. For most of human
history, most people lived in small villages, or nomadic tribes, generally
sharing one room houses (or te
On 10/03/2012 06:09, David Mann wrote:
On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:51 PM, mike wilson wrote:
Firefox. Noscript. Adblock. Adverts are for those who cannot avoid them.
I just use a flash blocker. That gets rid of nearly all of the animated ads.
I can put up with static ads but I don't like bein
On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:51 PM, mike wilson wrote:
> Firefox. Noscript. Adblock. Adverts are for those who cannot avoid them.
I just use a flash blocker. That gets rid of nearly all of the animated ads.
I can put up with static ads but I don't like being distracted by animation.
Unfortunatel
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
> Speaking as a Googler, I just wanted to say that this discussion has
> been very educational for me. Thanks for the (mostly very
> well-considered I thought) opinions. -T
See, I told you they were watching us.
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Speaking as a Googler, I just wanted to say that this discussion has
been very educational for me. Thanks for the (mostly very
well-considered I thought) opinions. -T
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
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> On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>>
>>
>> Wastes far less o
On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>
>
> Wastes far less of my lifespan than wading through all the untrimmed sigs in
> a PDML digest.
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From: steve harley
on 2012-09-03 9:15 John Sessoms wrote
I gave Staples my email address for some reason & they send me a "coupon"
almost every day & their sales flyer once a week. I could "unsubscribe", but
that's actually more work than just hitting the delete key. I'd do it anyway if
they ha
On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:47 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> On 09/03/2012 01:59, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to fin
On 3/9/2012 14:09, steve harley wrote:
i do a huge amount of research with google, some of it is even
productive; beyond the search engine, the google services i actively use
are:
* maps (to which i contribute),
(snip list)
I like Google maps and have also contributed by way of correcting
on 2012-09-03 9:15 John Sessoms wrote
I gave Staples my email address for some reason & they send me a "coupon"
almost every day & their sales flyer once a week. I could "unsubscribe", but
that's actually more work than just hitting the delete key. I'd do it anyway if
they hadn't once sent me a "
on 2012-08-03 17:59 Larry Colen wrote
Just out of curiosity, what harm comes to you from Google, or anyone else,
collecting this information?
this is a logical fallacy; just because google (or any entity) hasn't hurt
someone doesn't make it okay for google (or any entity) to amass informatio
on 2012-08-03 18:40 John Francis wrote
So Google do us a service by filtering out ads we care nothing about. If
this allows them to charge a higher ad rate for their services I'm not
particularly bothered.
i've done myself a service by becoming adept at ignoring ads; i have no idea
what type o
On 3/9/2012 02:55, David Mann wrote:
On Mar 9, 2012, at 2:40 PM, John Francis wrote:
Yep. I mean, it's not as if you avoid ads splashed all over your screen.
And if I'm going to be bombarded with ads, I'd rather see ads for products
or services that I might be interested in than just random
From: Doug Franklin
On 2012-03-09 0:07, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
And, harmful or not, I just don't like anyone knowing
that much about me without my ~real~ consent. It's
called "right to privacy" a concept that is sadly
close to non-existent today.
That's one of the reasons that I stil
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:43 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Larry Colen
>
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websites or pa
From: Larry Colen
On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websites or pages that I may want to refer
back to that I may not have bookmarked. And si
From: "Bob W"
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
mike wilson
It defeats (to some extent) Google using information it gathers from
and about me for its own purposes, when I use some of their products.
At best Google (and some other companies) is like one of th
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Doug Franklin
>
> > And, harmful or not, I just don't like anyone knowing that much about
> > me without my ~real~ consent. It's called "right to privacy" a
> concept
> > that is sadly close to non-existent today.
>
> Tha
On 2012-03-09 0:07, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
And, harmful or not, I just don't like anyone knowing
that much about me without my ~real~ consent. It's
called "right to privacy" a concept that is sadly
close to non-existent today.
That's one of the reasons that I still use cash for all pu
On 09/03/2012 02:40, John Francis wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 04:59:35PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websi
On 09/03/2012 01:08, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
mike wilson
It defeats (to some extent) Google using information it gathers from
and about me for its own purposes, when I use some of their products.
At best Google (and some other compan
On 09/03/2012 01:59, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websites or pages that I may want to refer
back to that I may not ha
On Mar 9, 2012, at 2:40 PM, John Francis wrote:
> Yep. I mean, it's not as if you avoid ads splashed all over your screen.
> And if I'm going to be bombarded with ads, I'd rather see ads for products
> or services that I might be interested in than just random selections.
I do wish their system
Really?
Seems to me that Google has an awful lot of information about me.
My phone number for starters.
Who I call.
Who calls me.
Where I am. (sorry, as one person explained to me, "They don't know where you
are, they just know where your phone is.")
They know every Google search I've done a
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 04:59:35PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
>
> > On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
> >> That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
> >> I use the history to find websites or pages that I may wa
On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
>> That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
>> I use the history to find websites or pages that I may want to refer
>> back to that I may not have bookmarked. And since it's a
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> mike wilson
> It defeats (to some extent) Google using information it gathers from
> and about me for its own purposes, when I use some of their products.
> At best Google (and some other companies) is like one of those fr
From: mike wilson
On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websites or pages that I may want to refer
back to that I may not have bookmarked. And since it's a web based
service, it works on all com
on 3/5/12 7:45 AMDavid Parsons wrote
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
how so? how does web history benefit me when i'm using Gmail, Maps, etc.? by
giving me better ads?
I use the history to find websites or pages that I may want to refer
back to that I m
On 05/03/2012 15:45, David Parsons wrote:
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websites or pages that I may want to refer
back to that I may not have bookmarked. And since it's a web based
service, it works on all computers that I've log
That defeats the purpose of using Google products in the first place.
I use the history to find websites or pages that I may want to refer
back to that I may not have bookmarked. And since it's a web based
service, it works on all computers that I've logged onto.
Just for anyone that thinks that
Waouh! A good thing to know ... and to share. Hey, I may reconsider using
Picasa now! Many thanks Mike!
--- On Mon, 3/5/12, mike wilson wrote:
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> Subject: OT Google privacy
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> Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 7:09 AM
> Alban (greetings!) mentione
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