Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-27 Thread Tom C
What's *hard* to imagine about Pentax? Tom C. >From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation" >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:58:49 -0700 (PDT) > >No way it

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-27 Thread Tom C
>I can just about understand the need >for people to want to belong to something they believe in, or would like >to be a part of, but anything that by nature is exclusive does not get >my support or interest. > >Cheers, > Cotty > 2000 people from the PDML will show up at your local pub tomorrow,

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-27 Thread Jack Davis
No way it could be stated any better, Frank. Their not having anticipating a volume crunch is, however, hard to imagine. Could be they consider "accepted artist" voting a handy explanation..if needed. When 'proven' laudable work is summarily declined, incentive wanes. Jack --- frank theriault <[EM

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-27 Thread frank theriault
On 9/27/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually I see any photographic competition as utterly pointless. I agree 100%! Funny thing is, I didn't see The Pentax Gallery as a competition. I thought that as long as the photos met a minimum standard, they were in, and it would be a cool pl

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-27 Thread Rebekah
Frank, I think your photographs are beautiful. Screw the gallery. rg2 On 9/27/07, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2007/09/27 Thu AM 03:24:42 GMT > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-27 Thread mike wilson
> > From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/09/27 Thu AM 03:24:42 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation" > > Gonz wrote: > > >Oops that should have been family "Leporidae&quo

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/09/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: >I really thought that you were rather competitive person, Cotty. I am >fairly competitive, but in photography I don't feel any desire to prove >anything. So I don't really participate in competitions... My competitive side extends solely

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/09/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >Cotty has always striven to be the least competitive person. If he >finds someone less competitive than himself, he works and works, and >trains and trains until he is less competitive than the other person. >He can't stand it if someone is less com

RE: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Bob W
Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Boris Liberman > Sent: 27 September 2007 05:08 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation" > > Strange. > > I really thought that you were rat

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Strange. I really thought that you were rather competitive person, Cotty. I am fairly competitive, but in photography I don't feel any desire to prove anything. So I don't really participate in competitions... Boris Cotty wrote: > On 26/09/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: > >

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread P. J. Alling
heaheaheaheahea ann sanfedele wrote: > Gonz wrote: > > >> Oops that should have been family "Leporidae". I'm not sure whether >> Frank is a Rabbit or a Hare. >> >> >> > wabbit > > ann > > >> >> On 9/26/07, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Frank, didn't you read the

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread ann sanfedele
Gonz wrote: >Oops that should have been family "Leporidae". I'm not sure whether >Frank is a Rabbit or a Hare. > > wabbit ann > > > >On 9/26/07, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Frank, didn't you read the fine print? In Title 9, section 4, >>paragraph 110, Item b) : "No work shall be

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread David Savage
At 01:42 AM 27/09/2007, frank theriault wrote: >On 9/26/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At the risk of sounding insensitive... you can't resign from an entity you > > were not a part of. > > > > I hope this cheers you up and provides added incentive to continue. ;-) > >Actually, I was a pa

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Gonz
Oops that should have been family "Leporidae". I'm not sure whether Frank is a Rabbit or a Hare. On 9/26/07, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank, didn't you read the fine print? In Title 9, section 4, > paragraph 110, Item b) : "No work shall be accepted from the class > Lepus and all its

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread keith_w
frank theriault wrote: > Copy of e-mail recently sent to The Pentax Gallery: > > "Sirs/Mesdames, > > I may be "an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery", however, my > first 12 photos have been rejected. As of the date of this e-mail, > there are three pending. > > It is obvious that some

RE: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread John Sessoms
I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER. Groucho Marx From: "frank theriault" > Copy of e-mail recently sent to The Pentax Gallery: > > "Sirs/Mesdames, > > I may be "an accepted artist

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Gonz
Frank, didn't you read the fine print? In Title 9, section 4, paragraph 110, Item b) : "No work shall be accepted from the class Lepus and all its associated species and subspecies." =:) On 9/26/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Copy of e-mail recently sent to The Pentax Gallery

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/09/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: >so I'll continue shooting, with or >without The PENTAX Photo Gallery. Hey Frank. Welcome to my life :-) I entered a photographic competition once. It was the first and last time. Absolutely never again. I only ever make pics for one pe

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 3:38 PM -0400 9/26/07, frank theriault wrote: >On 9/26/07, Steve Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> >So I'm not the biggest loser on the list? >> >> Apparently not. :^( > >Clearly a plot against Canadians! By Gosh, you're right! I'll bet the neocons have taken over Pentax! Hoya is

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Tom C wrote: >"As the PDML Turns" > >Last week, Frank decided to discontinue his relationship with the >Pentax Gallery. Little did he know that... ...Dave had just accepted a job with an escort service. Meanwhile, on the other side of the world there are more strange goings-on as the eBay sa

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Jack Davis
t; Gallery. Little did he know that... > > > > Tom C. > > > >From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread frank theriault
On 9/26/07, Steve Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >So I'm not the biggest loser on the list? > > Apparently not. :^( Clearly a plot against Canadians! ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Norm Baugher
Right on Frankie, cool, join the club. I resigned my position on Monday. Feels good... Norm frank theriault wrote: > Copy of e-mail recently sent to The Pentax Gallery: > > "Sirs/Mesdames, > > I may be "an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery", however, my > first 12 photos have been rejec

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 2:36 PM -0400 9/26/07, frank theriault wrote: >On 9/26/07, Steve Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, at least you got rejected. I never a peep from them after >> submitting myself for acceptance. > >So I'm not the biggest loser on the list? Apparently not. :^( -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Tom C
"As the PDML Turns" Last week, Frank decided to discontinue his relationship with the Pentax Gallery. Little did he know that... Tom C. >From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Tom C
> >Actually, I was a part of it in some manner. > >I could vote on photos, and in fact I was exhorted to do so. It's >from that exhortation that I was told that I was "an accepted artist >of the PENTAX Photo Gallery". On that basis (so they told me) I could >vote. > >In fact, it was when I read t

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread frank theriault
On 9/26/07, Steve Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, at least you got rejected. I never a peep from them after > submitting myself for acceptance. So I'm not the biggest loser on the list? ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread David J Brooks
Sounds like an internet reality show in the making.:-) Dave On 9/26/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/26/07, Steve Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, at least you got rejected. I never a peep from them after > > submitting myself for acceptance. > > So I'm not the big

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Steve Sharpe
Well, at least you got rejected. I never a peep from them after submitting myself for acceptance. At 12:54 PM -0400 9/26/07, frank theriault wrote: >Copy of e-mail recently sent to The Pentax Gallery: > >"Sirs/Mesdames, > >I may be "an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery", however, my >fi

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread frank theriault
On 9/26/07, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank, here is what I think: > > 1. You're an excellent photographer. You really are. > 2. You were somewhat late jumping on the Pentax photo gallery train. I > for one realize that with the grand amount of submitted photographs my > chances t

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Frank, here is what I think: 1. You're an excellent photographer. You really are. 2. You were somewhat late jumping on the Pentax photo gallery train. I for one realize that with the grand amount of submitted photographs my chances to have my work accepted are very small. I was lucky enough to

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread frank theriault
On 9/26/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At the risk of sounding insensitive... you can't resign from an entity you > were not a part of. > > I hope this cheers you up and provides added incentive to continue. ;-) Actually, I was a part of it in some manner. I could vote on photos, and in f

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread pnstenquist
A couple things are working against you here, and neither reflects in a negative way on your photography. One: You waited too long. Based on observation, I'd say the gallery is getting a lot of submissions now and accepting very few. BW street shots seem to be a small minority of the accepted s

Re: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Frank they simply don't understand you the way we do. frank theriault wrote: > Copy of e-mail recently sent to The Pentax Gallery: > > "Sirs/Mesdames, > > I may be "an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery", however, my > first 12 photos have been rejected. As of the date of this e-mail, >

RE: Pentax Gallery "Resignation"

2007-09-26 Thread Tom C
At the risk of sounding insensitive... you can't resign from an entity you were not a part of. I hope this cheers you up and provides added incentive to continue. ;-) Tom C. >From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subj

RE: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-16 Thread Rod Connan
Very, VERY true. I have watched this in a number of situations - applies in commentary and in notice given. Rod -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Welcome to the Camera Club, Frank. If your photos don't look like everyone else's ph

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread John Sessoms
Are you going to start that shit again! From: Gonz > Well if you want to be anal bout it. > > On 9/13/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > > > What I say is art, IS art. >>> >> > > >> > > If it h

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Gonz
Well if it makes you feel better Frank, if HCB would be here today submitting photos to them, I dont think any of *his* would have been accepted either On 9/13/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To those who've complained that not all of your photos have been > accepted in the P

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Gonz
Well if you want to be anal bout it. On 9/13/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What I say is art, IS art. > > > > If it has a frame around it. > > I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. >

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread graywolf
Now, Rob, you know that if it is well composed, properly lit, and shot with Velvia it is "ART". But crappy "ART", of course. Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> What I say is art, IS art. >> If it has a frame around it. > > I say a dog sh

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Tom C
> >Of course it can concurrently be art and a dog shit but practically >I'd tend towards labeling it the latter if that's what it is. > >-- >Rob Studdert >HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Honestly. I have two dogs which make some very nice pieces of work. If anyone here want's some of this doggy art let me

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Tom C
Now that's a classic. Mark! Tom C. >From: "Digital Image Studio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > If it has a frame around it. > >I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. > >-- >Rob Studdert -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Jack Davis
An expressed mutual respect for points made will always facilitate a stimulating discussion. An apparent disregard or correcting exchange will only last 'til someone feels they have "won". Jack --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 14, 2007, at 3:06 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 14, 2007, at 3:06 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Exactly. I didn't say beauty defines art. I said something beautiful > is worth looking at.. But you still haven't suggested what allows you to recognize what is beautiful. > I said something that is beautiful CAN be art, just as a great >

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling wrote: >Much modern art is a scam, just so much crap, Very true. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Sep 14, 2007, at 12:49 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >>> The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" >>> a sibling >>> to "What is art?" ... >> >> We haven't had this debate in at leas

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Sep 14, 2007, at 12:49 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >>> The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" >>> a sibling >>> to "What is art?" ... >> >> We haven't had this debate in at leas

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Art criticism is not art, and does not define art. It merely judges it. G On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > That's why the test of time is critical. Works that are appreciated > and applauded over the centuries earn the right to be called art. > Nothing current can rightfully

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-14 Thread Cotty
On 13/09/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >How about Jackson Pollock's paintings? Now you're getting nasty!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" >> a sibling >> to "What is art?" ... > > We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... :o) that, and "does

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Unfortunately, being a Con artist is a talent I don't have, my character flaw of being honest, gets in the way,not all the time, just enough that crime wouldn't pay. Doug Franklin wrote: > John Sessoms wrote: > >> From: >> "P. J. Alling" >> > > >>> Drivel that's passed off as "Art" is

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Doug Franklin
John Sessoms wrote: > From: > "P. J. Alling" >> Drivel that's passed off as "Art" is simply a method >> of separating people with more money than brains, and that includes >> museum boards, from that excess of money > Hey! Works for me. > > Anyway, ... I'd like to make it work for me.;-D

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
That's why the test of time is critical. Works that are appreciated and applauded over the centuries earn the right to be called art. Nothing current can rightfully claim that title until generations have arrived at a consensus opinion. Almost all serious art critics would agree. One can ex

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread John Sessoms
From: "P. J. Alling" > Much modern art is a scam, just so much crap, (oh after my last post > that's poignant). Drivel that's passed off as "Art" is simply a method > of separating people with more money than brains, and that includes > museum boards, from that excess of money Hey! Works for me

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Your statement presumes that pleasing equals beautiful, that things > considered beautiful are art, and that a consensus of opinion on the > beauty of something defines it as art. By your definition, everything > can be art, because nearly

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread John Sessoms
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > What is "sheer beauty"? The dance of the seven veils ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread David Savage
At 05:30 AM 14/09/2007, Scott Loveless wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: > > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > > > >> What is "sheer beauty"? > >> > > > > In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually > > attractive sheep. ;-) > > > > > > >Australian outback? I thought it was South Wales.

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread John Sessoms
From: "Tom C" >> On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling >> > to "What is art?" ... >> >> We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... >> >> ;-) >> >> cheers, >> frank >> > > Let me be the fir

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Strange I thought that would be sheared beauty... (Punch line from a very bad joke... "Sheep Lie.") David Savage wrote: > At 05:24 AM 14/09/2007, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >> >>> What is "sheer beauty"? >>> >> In the Australian outback, I believe it refers

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread David Savage
At 05:24 AM 14/09/2007, Mark Roberts wrote: >Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > >What is "sheer beauty"? > >In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually >attractive sheep. ;-) No, that's "shear beauty". Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/ma

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Rebekah
I guess at that point it'd be shitty art. rg2 On 9/13/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 14/09/2007, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > People keep confusing the question of "is it art?" with "is it any > > good?". They're separate issues. > > Of course it can con

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 14/09/2007, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People keep confusing the question of "is it art?" with "is it any > good?". They're separate issues. Of course it can concurrently be art and a dog shit but practically I'd tend towards labeling it the latter if that's what it is. -- Rob

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Much modern art is a scam, just so much crap, (oh after my last post that's poignant). Drivel that's passed off as "Art" is simply a method of separating people with more money than brains, and that includes museum boards, from that excess of money Mark Roberts wrote: > Digital Image Studio wro

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread P. J. Alling
te: >> But is it art? >> > > I seem to remember someone calling a bottle of urine art. > > Kenneth Waller > http://tinyurl.com/272u2f > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject:

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Digital Image Studio wrote: >On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > What I say is art, IS art. >> >> If it has a frame around it. > >I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. People keep confusing the question of "is it art?" with "is it any good?". They

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Kenneth Waller
> But is it art? I seem to remember someone calling a bottle of urine art. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Digital Ima

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> What I say is art, IS art. >> >> If it has a frame around it. > > I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. But is it art? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 14/09/2007, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I say is art, IS art. > > If it has a frame around it. I say a dog shit with a frame around it is still a dog shit. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.goo

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Kenneth Waller
> What I say is art, IS art. If it has a frame around it. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery > >On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >&g

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Kenneth Waller
> :o) that, and "does a good subject make a good picture?" No. It takes a photographer with a camera ;+] Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Rebekah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery >> > The q

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 13, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> The logic of your statement is that there is no definition of art, or >> beauty, that is not entirely subjective. > > There are many definitions of art, and all of them are in some way > subjective. But there can be a consensus. Consensus doe

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > The logic of your statement is that there is no definition of art, or > beauty, that is not entirely subjective. > There are many definitions of art, and all of them are in some way subjective. But there can be a consensus. > Is that qual

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
A picture that pleases because it's attractive can be a good picture. As I said, it's certainly not the only path to solid and rewarding visual communication, but it's one path. One of many. In any artistic endeavor there should be no limits on the paths one may take to reach the goal. Paul

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote: > Scott Loveless wrote: > > >> Mark Roberts wrote: >> >>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>> >>> What is "sheer beauty"? >>> In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually >>> attractive sheep. ;-) >>> >>> >> Austra

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Tom C
> > Let me be the first to weigh in on this then... > > > > What I say is art, IS art. > >LOL No ego there, eh? :-) > >G > If we each use it, I bet it's the only one we all can agree on. :-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: >> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >>> What is "sheer beauty"? >>> >> >> In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually >> attractive sheep. ;-) >> >Australian outback? I thought it was South Wales. ;-) There too. Lots of places, in

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 13, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: >>> What is "sheer beauty"? >> >> In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually >> attractive sheep. ;-) >> > Australian outback? I thought it was South Wales. ;-) And I hope the context is "to other sheep". G -- PDML Penta

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Tom C wrote: >> On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling >>> to "What is art?" ... >> >> We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... Like a well-written soap ope

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 13, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: >> What is "sheer beauty"? > > Nikkala Stott. Too bad. In another twenty years, sheer beauty will be somebody's mother-in-law. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > >> What is "sheer beauty"? >> > > In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually > attractive sheep. ;-) > > > Australian outback? I thought it was South Wales. ;-) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoed

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Christian
Scott Loveless wrote: > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> What is "sheer beauty"? >> > > Nikkala Stott. > click -> firefox -> " N-I-K-K-A-L-A S-T-O-T-T" -> enter click -> images -> scroll scroll... scroll... Ok, yes I can agree to that. :-) try "Monica Bellucci" -- Christian http://photog

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread frank theriault
On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is "sheer beauty"? Perhaps the real question is "what's beauty got to do with it?" Lord knows, I take more than my share ugly photos that I think are none-the-less good. As to whether they're art, I'll leave to someone else to decide

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >What is "sheer beauty"? In the Australian outback, I believe it refers to an unusually attractive sheep. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The logic of your statement is that there is no definition of art, or beauty, that is not entirely subjective. Is that qualitative judgment, "in the eye of the beholder", a product of nature or nurture? G On Sep 13, 2007, at 2:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It is, of course, in the eye o

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread pnstenquist
It is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What is "sheer beauty"? > > G > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Good pictures come in all shapes and sizes. Somet

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Scott Loveless
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > What is "sheer beauty"? > Nikkala Stott. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
What is "sheer beauty"? G On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Good pictures come in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the > compositon that makes a shot memorable. But a fascinating subject > can achieve that as well. And of course sheer beauty is always > worth a s

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Tom!! Jack ;) --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a > sibling > > > to "What is art?" ... > > > >We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... > > >

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Rebekah
works for me too :) rg2 On 9/13/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice and concise. I like it. > > Tom C. > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >Subject: Re: Pentax Gal

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread frank theriault
On 9/13/07, Norm Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe the judges' eyes were just blurry... ...which would have made them look sharp? -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Tom C
Nice and concise. I like it. Tom C. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:43:09 + > >Good pictures come in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the comp

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread pnstenquist
Good pictures come in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's the compositon that makes a shot memorable. But a fascinating subject can achieve that as well. And of course sheer beauty is always worth a second look. In truth, there is no single, narrow definition. Paul -- Original mess

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Tom C
>On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling > > to "What is art?" ... > >We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... > >;-) > >cheers, >frank > Let me be the first to weigh in on this then... W

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Rebekah
> > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling > > to "What is art?" ... > > We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... > > ;-) :o) that, and "does a good subject make a good picture?" rg2 On 9/13/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Tom C
e they're just pretty pictures... Tom C. >From: Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:39:41 -0400 > > >You need to study the com

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread frank theriault
On 9/13/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling > to "What is art?" ... We haven't had this debate in at least a month. It's time... ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Norm Baugher
Maybe the judges' eyes were just blurry... Norm frank theriault wrote: > To those who've complained that not all of your photos have been > accepted in the Pentax Gallery, quit yer bitchin'! > > Not one of mine has been accepted so far. > > Not a single one. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail Lis

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The question you posed is indeed "What is a good picture?" a sibling to "What is art?" ... Let the debate commence (again) ! Godfrey On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Rebekah wrote: >> You need to study the compositional aspects of many of those >> pictures. > > the lack of composition was my p

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Rebekah
Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > >Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery > >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:25:33 -0400 > > > >A lot of the pictures on there seem like crisp snapshots of pretty > >things rather than good photographs.

Re: Pentax Gallery

2007-09-13 Thread Tom C
C. >From: Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Pentax Gallery >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:25:33 -0400 > >A lot of the pictures on there seem like crisp snapshots of pretty >things rat

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