Patrice LACOUTURE a écrit :
Here is a synthesis for primes for those who can't/don't want to buy
the magazine issue.
Seems like I posted this twice (the first one was an incomplete draft).
Sorry for this.
Also note that when I write = f/16, this means f/16, f/22, and so
forth... which is
Only the 16-45 f/4 ED AL stands out as being particularly
disappointing, because of very poor sharpness anywhere but at the
center, all but closed down at f/16!
Merci, Patrice.
It is curious that they managed to get results on the DA 16-45 so
different from everyone else's experience with
On Feb 20, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Joseph Tainter wrote:
Merci, Patrice.
It is curious that they managed to get results on the DA 16-45 so
different from everyone else's experience with that lens.
Joe
Sample variation. They just got a lousy sample.
You'd think companies would check out
Joseph Tainter wrote on 20.02.06 17:54:
Only the 16-45 f/4 ED AL stands out as being particularly
disappointing, because of very poor sharpness anywhere but at the
center, all but closed down at f/16!
That's funny, because their countrymen from pictchallenge rated DA 16-45/4
very high and said
Sylwester Pietrzyk a écrit :
Joseph Tainter wrote on 20.02.06 17:54:
Only the 16-45 f/4 ED AL stands out as being particularly
disappointing, because of very poor sharpness anywhere but at the
center, all but closed down at f/16!
That's funny, because their countrymen from
Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Either they got a faulty unit, or they messed up their testing protocol.
At any rate, they should have double-checked before publishing this
result. A serious magazine would have done this. Then again, they've
stopped being serious, years ago.
Strange as IMO Réponse Photo was, years ago, piece of s***.
Seems the exchanged roles ;)
2006/2/20, Ralf R. Radermacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Either they got a faulty unit, or they messed up their testing protocol.
At any rate, they should
Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strange as IMO Réponse Photo was, years ago, piece of s***.
Seems the exchanged roles ;)
They most definitely have.
Ralf
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Fra: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Emne: Re: Pentax lenses tests from Chasseur d'Images
On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:57 PM, John Francis wrote:
I regard
Yes, please! (ou, oui s'il vous plait!)
Rick
--- Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interrested?
Got the latest one and there are quite a number of
lenses tested.
There's discussion about this on dpreview forum but
if you wish I
could scan the sheets?
Of course, comments are in
On 2006-02-19, at 22:45, Thibouille wrote:
So, will I scan?
Yes, please be so good for us :-)
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you will.
best,
mishka
On 2/19/06, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, will I scan?
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On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
On 2006-02-19, at 22:45, Thibouille wrote:
So, will I scan?
Yes, please be so good for us :-)
Excuse me for being a bringdown and all.
But can anyone say copyright?
Bob
you mean fair use?
best,
mishka
On 2/19/06, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But can anyone say copyright?
Bob
On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:34 PM, Mishka wrote:
you mean fair use?
best,
mishka
Fair use is quoting a small portion of an article for the purposes of
critique or review. The only fair use exemption for complete
articles is narrowly defined for bona fide educational institutions.
Copying
If it's legal to put them on the web it woluid be very nice :-)
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Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk
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23:34
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you mean fair use?
best,
mishka
On 2/19/06, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But can anyone say copyright?
Bob
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It would be legal for Thibouille to retype just the
numeric ratings from the lens tests. But scanning the
pages, or retyping the opinions comments (except for
brief excerpts for the purpose of a critique) is not.
On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 11:50:44PM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote:
If it's legal to
word.
You might call it somethin cryptic - and let us know :_))
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Sendt: 19. februar 2006 23:34
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: Pentax lenses tests from Chasseur d'Images
I bough it last Friday (I can found it quite easily in
Barcelona).
I am glad that they liked 'my' A50/1.4, even more than
the FA also tested. They also liked 'my' FA35/2 and
18-55 kit lens.
By the way, what does 'dénicher' mean? (in the A50/1.4
text)
--- Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:
If it's legal to put them on the web it woluid be very nice :-)
Regards
It's legal for Chasseur d'Image to put them up on their web site.
Anyone else would need their permission to do so. Do they normally
post their tests on their site?
On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:56 PM, John Francis wrote:
It would be legal for Thibouille to retype just the
numeric ratings from the lens tests. But scanning the
pages, or retyping the opinions comments (except for
brief excerpts for the purpose of a critique) is not.
Correct.
But if you like
On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:57 PM, John Francis wrote:
I regard that as even worse than just openly publishing them -
it's a tacit admission that you know you're doing something wrong.
Yep.
Bob
Good point Bob.
Problem is, I've never been able to find Chasseurs
d'Images in Philly; I've only ever found it in Europe.
Maybe he could email us the tables off-list?
Rick
--- Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 19, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Sylwester Pietrzyk
wrote:
On 2006-02-19, at
On Feb 19, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
Good point Bob.
Having been in the photo magazine biz for a long time I know the
frustrations of doing good lab tests. Back in the early 90s when we
were doing PhotoPRO magazine we did some real lens tests. Cost a
bundle, and got us
This thread reminds me of something that happened a few years ago. Klaus
Schroiff of the Photozone website (www.photozone.de) used to have a
wonderful compilation of lens tests. His tables included ratings from Color
Foto, Popular Photography, and Chasseur d'Image magazines and included
pretty
2006/2/19, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
By the way, what does 'dénicher' mean?
Means to find but just a bit familiar (more like to suss out).
Just bought it yesterday. Quite interesting indeed...
The issue (like most back issues) can be mail-ordered directly at
them. Although I WON'T scan the tables themselves, I can scan and send
the order form for those interested.
Patrice
2006/2/20, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Feb 19, 2006,
On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 04:41:45PM -0800, Mark Erickson wrote:
By the way, I think that fair use is a concept specific to United States
copyright law and legal precedent. What are the rules in Europe?
No - the fair use provision is spelled out in the international Berne
Copyright agreement.
Can someone check to see if the tests appear on the magazine's website?
I clicked on a number of headings, but came accross no lens listings.
Jack
--- Patrice LACOUTURE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2006/2/19, Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
By the way, what does 'dénicher' mean?
Means to
2006/2/19, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Interrested?
Got the latest one and there are quite a number of lenses tested.
There's discussion about this on dpreview forum but if you wish I
could scan the sheets?
Here is a synthesis for primes for those who can't/don't want to buy
the magazine
Thanks! Considerate of you to develop this post.
Jack
--- Patrice LACOUTURE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2006/2/19, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Interrested?
Got the latest one and there are quite a number of lenses tested.
There's discussion about this on dpreview forum but if you wish I
Well, I think Patrice just did the most part of the job and that
without any legal issue.
I didn't want to run into legal problems, just to be helpful.
The only suspicious test is the DA16-45. The already test it before
(2 years?) and it was then VERY good. So there's obviously a problem.
As
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This thread reminds me of something that happened a few years ago. Klaus
Schroiff of the Photozone website (www.photozone.de) used to have a
wonderful compilation of lens tests
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