Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-07-10 Thread Hernan Mouro
> > I will no longer sell items world > > wide. Because of him south America is off limits. > > Kevin "Because of him south America is off limits." So it's Albano's fault that the shipment got lost, and South America should be punished. And Argentina and South America are the same thing, maybe t

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-07-10 Thread Bucky
Albano is going to post to the list the response I got from them today. However, this was the letter I sent to the store, apprising them of Alberta law regarding loss of such shipments: Dear Kevin, The e-mail quoted bel

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-07-10 Thread William Robb
Like everywhere, you get people who do business in good faith, and people who don't. A friend of mine suffered a similar ripoff from a company in Florida who sold him a piece of lab equipment then didn't deliver the equipment as advertised. I suspect this will end up with the Canadian Photo Market

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-29 Thread Bob Blakely
HAR! Regards, Bob... -- "Those who say that life is worth living at any cost have already written an epitaph of infamy, for there is no cause and no person that they will not betray to stay alive." Sidney Hook From: "Frits J. Wüthrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-29 Thread Stan Halpin
> From: Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You > are welcome, as a seller, to ship without insurance. You must, of course, > accept responsibility for your choices (as in all of life), and if the > shipment is lost (admittedly improbable), you must pony up for the buyer.

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-29 Thread Bob Blakely
From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Surely its only worthless if the amusement park management were guilty > of negligence which is a different thing and a disclaimer could not > protect them from negligence. No. The amusement park management may often (though not always) be liable even t

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-29 Thread Lewis, Gerald
I have not yet seen anyone refering to Argentine customs. For an international delivery a customs declaration should have been filled out and attached to the package by the shipper. Upon arrival in the destination country the package must first pass through the customs house where any duty or ta

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-29 Thread Rob Brigham
inadequate packaging, but only if it was deemed to be their fault. -Original Message- From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 June 2001 14:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up Possibly, but I suspect that those simple words might be insufficient. Some

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-29 Thread Bob Blakely
Recent news item: Post office delivers letter 89 years late! Over thirty years, I have had one house payment and one Sears payment lost in the mail. The house payment actually arrived about two months late. I'd not put a stop payment on the check, so that month was a severely short month, cash wi

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-29 Thread Bob Blakely
Possibly, but I suspect that those simple words might be insufficient. Some responsibilities cannot be abrogated by a simple statement that the vendor "is not liable" for certain normal expectations. An example is the common warning on the back of an amusement park ticket that says that the manage

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-29 Thread Ray Allen
Ray Allen. Sydney. Australia. Check out Spotmatic at Yahoo!Groups at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spotmatic - Original Message - From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- fol

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
"Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, William Robb wrote: > > > > > And Bob and I agree. > > > SO THERE!!! &

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Bob Blakely
From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Wouldnt this only be in regards to a business shipping the item? A think a > transaction between two individuals would be a total different deal. Why? Regards, Bob... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://ww

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Bob Blakely
Agreed. A reasonable length of time is often defined for such things. I admit to not knowing what it is. Sixty or (at most) ninety days seems reasonable to me for an international shipment, but that's just me. Various jurisdictions may have or set longer or shorter times Regards, Bob... From: "C

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 28, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > I agree with the rest of your points, so I'm not picking on them. :) Actually, I disagreed with t

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > Wouldnt this only be in regards to a business shipping the item? A think a > transaction between two individuals would be a total different deal. The courts are full of like minded peopl

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 28, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > What? No "Har"? :) I was sewiouss William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Dis

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Gary L. Murphy
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:42:19 -0500 (CDT), Chris Brogden wrote: >Nah. The ol' harda** is enjoying his moment of triumph. *L* ROTFLMAO! Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to vi

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > What? No "Har"? :) > > Collin Nah. The ol' harda** is enjoying his moment of triumph. *L* chris > At 08:08 PM 6/28/01 -0600, you wrote: > >And Bob and I agree. > >SO THERE!!! > >William Robb > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
What? No "Har"? :) Collin At 08:08 PM 6/28/01 -0600, you wrote: >And Bob and I agree. >SO THERE!!! >William Robb * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Paul Jones
1 12:17 PM Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, William Robb wrote: > > > And Bob and I agree. > > SO THERE!!! > > William Robb > > If the seller is legally responsible for proving that the item arrived in > the buyer's hands, then th

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, William Robb wrote: > And Bob and I agree. > SO THERE!!! > William Robb If the seller is legally responsible for proving that the item arrived in the buyer's hands, then that pretty much negates my argument. I learn something new every day... and sometimes two things. :)

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, William Robb wrote: > Obviously we trust Albano implicitly, > > Why? Have you met him? No. But apart from the fact that he's conducted several transactions successfully with other list members, the fact that he mailed cash internationally suggests to me that he's pretty t

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, William Robb wrote: > And Bob and I agree. > SO THERE!!! > William Robb :P chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Bob Blakely
From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, William Robb wrote: > > > Chris, you are missing the major point here, which is, who is > > responsible for delivery of goods or service? If a seller has an > > undertaking with a buyer for goods, and the seller has been paid > > in

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread William Robb
And Bob and I agree. SO THERE!!! William Robb - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 28, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Chris Brogden" Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, William Robb wrote: > > > . It's as much the buyer's > > > responsiblity as the seller's to verify that an item will be > &g

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Bob Blakely wrote: > I'm sorry, I thought the seller was in Canada. The point is that the > seller is responsible. It is irrelavent whether he chose Canada Post, > UPS, FedEx, his brother-in-law or whoever for shipping. The seller's > recourse is to the shipper. If the seller

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Bob Blakely
From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Bob Blakely wrote: > > > It sounds like the seller is responsible to the customer for the camera or > > the price of the camera. The seller's recourse is to the shipping agent he > > contracted with. > > Would this be to Canada Post

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, William Robb wrote: > . It's as much the buyer's > > responsiblity as the seller's to verify that an item will be > insured, > > since it does cost extra to insure expensive items. > > Chris, you are missing the major point here, which is, who is > responsible for delivery

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Chris Brogden" < Subject: RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up . It's as much the buyer's > responsiblity as the seller's to verify that an item will be insured, > since it does cost extra to insure expensive items. Chris, yo

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > I don't know the law in Canada, or the province of sale, but in the US, > Must he go to the seller's jurisdiction to obtain justice? Hopefully it wouldn't come t

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Stan Halpin wrote: > Hey Seth - write me down as an idiot. I HATE insurance. Insurance means: > a. Higher costs Not that much in Canada. Regular parcel post air mail comes with $100 CAN worth of insurance, and insurance to cover the Super Program would only have been an

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Bob Blakely wrote: > It sounds like the seller is responsible to the customer for the camera or > the price of the camera. The seller's recourse is to the shipping agent he > contracted with. Would this be to Canada Post or the one in Albano's country? Canada Post will argu

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Bob Blakely
I don't know the law in Canada, or the province of sale, but in the US, a business that accepts money for goods or services is responsible for delivery of those goods or services to the customer. The shipping service is (becomes) an agent of the seller, and the seller's delivery of the goods to th

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Seth wrote: > There is a lesson in here, regardless of how it turns out. Any seller > willing to ship relatively expensive stuff without insurance > (especially across international borders) is either a crook or an > idiot asking for trouble. It would seem to me that the se

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Stan Halpin
> From: "Seth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:47:41 -0700 > Subject: RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > > > There is a lesson in here, regardless of how it turns out. Any seller > willing to ship relatively expensive stuff without insuran

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Bob Blakely
I don't know the law in Canada, or the province of sale, but in the US, a business that accepts money for goods or services is responsible for delivery of those goods or services to the customer. The shipping service is (becomes) an agent of the seller, and the seller's delivery of the goods to th

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread aimcompute
1 5:47 PM Subject: RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > Peifer, William wrote: > > I received a reply this afternoon from Kevin Dykstra of JD > > Colour Service > > regarding Albano's problems with his recent eBay purchase > > of a Super Program > > body. > >

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]
!!!) Bill Peifer Rochester, NY > -Original Message- > From: William Robb [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up > > Umm, Albano, if they are getting it tracked via Canada Post, &g

Re: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread William Robb
Umm, Albano, if they are getting it tracked via Canada Post, then they must have a tracking number. Try tracking it yourself, if you can get the item # from the vendor. http://www.canadapost.ca/segment-e.asp It does seem rather odd that they would ship to a foreign country without adequate insura

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Bucky
TECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 28, 2001 12:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up I just can't believe what this man is saying. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdm

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Bucky
lts to you all. Cheers, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peifer, William [OCDUS] Sent: June 28, 2001 11:33 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up Hi all, [Let me note that I don't like the

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Albano_Garcia
It's also suspicious Mr. Kevin answers other people but doesn't give an answer right to me, the happy customer, at least to stop receiving my 30 messages, so aggresives and disturbing. Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and fol

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Albano_Garcia
Hi, Bill. Thanks again for your help. I just can't believe what this man is saying. I sent him an email to know if they received the money. They told me yes, we received and sent the camera. Ok, I calculated the aprox. delay for air shipping, its about 2 weeks. I waited. Time passed and I starte

RE: eBay rip-off -- follow-up

2001-06-28 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]
Hi all, [Let me note that I don't like the subject heading I've given this note, but I'm preserving it here to maintain continuity with a thread we've been discussing the last couple of days] I received a reply this afternoon from Kevin Dykstra of JD Colour Service regarding Albano's problem