Re: mid format cameras - running cost?

2006-03-23 Thread Gasha
If you start to compare medium format and DSLR, you have to think about lenses. Image quality, file size, resolution... it is only for pixel-peepers. Even at A4 print size you can see difference how out of focus areas are rendered. Medium format lenses draw image differently. And bokeh from

Re: mid format cameras - running cost?

2006-03-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Your sideways sneering, implying that anyone looking to assess objective print quality is only for pixel peepers, is insulting. The coupling of DoF and FoV is different between the two formats. I didn't say that medium format film and the output from my DSLRs was identical. I said print

RE: mid format cameras - running cost?

2006-03-23 Thread Markus Maurer
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:41 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: mid format cameras - running cost? On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Markus Maurer wrote: At what print size would you see a difference from mid format to digital, A3 or bigger? Using 6Mpixel

RE: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-23 Thread Markus Maurer
format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder? Scanner capable of 120 film is a must. It can be Epson flatbed, or whatever. Depending on print size - you can choose scanner. Dedicated roll film scanner is better, but costs a lot. Roll film costs less than 35mm film. At least slide film

Re: mid format cameras - running cost?

2006-03-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
good. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:41 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: mid format cameras - running cost? On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Markus Maurer wrote: At what print size would you

Re: mid format cameras - running cost?

2006-03-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: mid format cameras - running cost? Comparing against ASA 100-200 35mm color negative film scanned at 4000ppi rather than medium format film scans, the 6Mpixel images at A3 Super (13x19) full bleed size look better

Re: mid format cameras - running cost?

2006-03-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 23, 2006, at 12:56 PM, William Robb wrote: Comparing against ASA 100-200 35mm color negative film scanned at 4000ppi rather than medium format film scans, the 6Mpixel images at A3 Super (13x19) full bleed size look better. Of course, that assumes an excellent quality capture for

Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Markus, my experiences are all out of the ordinary because up until May I owned and operated my own lab. 120 format film is harder to find but still readily available -- you might simply need to call the local distributor and have them recommend a store to shop from. Contact sheets are

Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds Subject: Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder? Many one-hour style labs are capable of processing 120 film, however that does not mean that the operators of the lab know how to do it or are any good

Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 22, 2006, at 9:48 AM, William Robb wrote: While many 1hr labs can process 120 C-41 (I think all Noritsu film processors can do it), very few will have the needed masks and lenses to print it. True. Though a lot of places that do have the masks and lenses still don't know what to do

Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-22 Thread Gasha
Scanner capable of 120 film is a must. It can be Epson flatbed, or whatever. Depending on print size - you can choose scanner. Dedicated roll film scanner is better, but costs a lot. Roll film costs less than 35mm film. At least slide film, like Velvia/Provia/Astia. Reala/NPS/NPH are similar

Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds Subject: Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder? When I was in Prague, I needed to find a lab to process my film before I returned home, since I was shooting ISO 800 and had to go through Heathrow both ways

Re: Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-22 Thread mike wilson
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/03/22 Wed PM 03:12:04 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder? On Mar 22, 2006, at 9:48 AM, William Robb wrote: While many 1hr labs can process 120 C-41 (I think

Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-22 Thread Bruce Dayton
of the reasons I started to look into digital. I can only guess that the situation is even worse 2 1/2 years later. -- Bruce Wednesday, March 22, 2006, 6:48:47 AM, you wrote: WR - Original Message - WR From: Aaron Reynolds WR Subject: Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL

Re: mid format cameras - running cost?

2006-03-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On the way to working entirely with digital capture, I spent a year or two working a lot with 6x4.5 and 6x6 formats with Zeiss Ikon, Mamiya, Fuji and Hasselblad cameras. I found the cost and aggravation of doing color work entirely too much and worked nearly exclusively with BW films. Did

RE: mid format cameras - running cost?

2006-03-22 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Godfrey thanks. At what print size would you see a difference from mid format to digital, A3 or bigger? greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:15 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: mid format

Re: mid format cameras - running cost?

2006-03-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Markus Maurer wrote: At what print size would you see a difference from mid format to digital, A3 or bigger? Using 6Mpixel DSLR captures as a baseline and comparing against 6x4.5cm or 6x6cm 2400ppi scans with a good if not top of the line scanner: Up to A3

Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-22 Thread David Mann
On Mar 23, 2006, at 3:14 AM, Gasha wrote: Roll film costs less than 35mm film. At least slide film, like Velvia/Provia/Astia. In dollars per square cm you're right. In my experience 6x7cm is about half the price of 35mm. However, because you're shooting four times the area, the cost per

Re: mid format cameras - running cost? was:RE: DS vs DL viewfinder?

2006-03-22 Thread David Mann
On Mar 23, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: even though my lab had all the masks and lenses to print the 67 negs, they were using the crappy scanners on the Agfa D-Lab, so once you got past a 12 X 18, the image quality started to suffer because of the scan. I had a couple of 12x18