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2005-01-04 Thread Joseph Tainter
Trip to NYC, extra hour on my hands, stopped by the BH store. Place was a madhouse. Pentax counter space much smaller than any other brand. I asked to look at the IST DS. It had some other lens on it, Asked about the 18-55mm, and the clerk told me they are trying to get them in stock from

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2005-01-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/1/05, Joseph Tainter, discombobulated, unleashed: Trip to NYC, extra hour on my hands, stopped by the BH store. Place was a madhouse. Pentax counter space much smaller than any other brand. I asked to look at the IST DS. It had some other lens on it, Asked about the 18-55mm, and the clerk

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2004-09-01 Thread Frantisek
PS thinking about the message, but it sticks. It doesn't mean they're PS stupid, it must means they absorb little bits of information on the PS fly. That's how advertising works. It's not about presenting logical PS arguments. That job falls to the press. Concept of Memes. Virus. I don't like any

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2004-09-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Sep 1, 2004, at 6:56 AM, Frantisek wrote: . If Paul hadn't pursued the topic of politics himself, I might not have boiled off. The thread was about Pentax advertising. You had to search long and hard to find anything that even hinted at politics. Exercise some self control. Paul

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2004-09-01 Thread Rfsindg
Frantisek, Advertising at it's most basic is a form of communications designed to inform people about products. It performs a very useful function in modern society. Don't tell Paul his lifework is worthless. How would you feel if somebody said Physics is a load of crap and we could get

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2004-09-01 Thread Frantisek
Just announcing I have the steam off ;-) Good light! fra

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2004-09-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Sep 1, 2004, at 7:26 AM, Dan wrote: Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: or just read what you wrote: PS living. I don't care if you don't like it. Nor do the majority of free PS people in the world. Tightly regulated socialist and communist PS societies prohibit advertising of goods and

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2004-09-01 Thread CRB
Gentlemen, It is interesting what has happened to the concept of freedom over the last couple of centuries. This Greate Experiment promised the freedom to... and tried to build a solution around self-government (Federalism coupled with free moral agency ala John Calvin) to enhance that

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2004-09-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/9/04, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Yes, I did write that. My point is that it was one sentence in a thread that was certainly not political. And I wasn't responding to any political statement. I was responding to a negative comment about advertising, which happens to be my

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2004-09-01 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Cotty wrote: On 1/9/04, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: advertising, which happens to be my sole means of support. However, in the interest of harmony I will state unequivocally that this was an unfair statement, and I retract it. Paul Stenquist Paul, you

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2004-09-01 Thread mike wilson
Cotty wrote: On 1/9/04, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Yes, I did write that. My point is that it was one sentence in a thread that was certainly not political. And I wasn't responding to any political statement. I was responding to a negative comment about advertising, which

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2004-09-01 Thread Bob W
Hi, you seem to have a bottomless well of complete bollocks to draw from, Collin! -- Cheers, Bob Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 2:35:31 PM, CRB wrote: Gentlemen, [...]

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2004-09-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 1 Sep 2004 at 8:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Advertising at it's most basic is a form of communications designed to inform people about products. It performs a very useful function in modern society. Don't tell Paul his lifework is worthless. How would you feel if somebody said

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2004-09-01 Thread Pat White
Bob said: you seem to have a bottomless well of complete bollocks to draw from, Collin! Beautifully and concisely stated, Bob! Pat White

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2004-08-31 Thread John Forbes
An odd view, if you don't mind me saying so. A properly-functioning market economy requires lots of buyers, lots of sellers, and perfect knowledge so that buyers can make informed decisions. All of which should lead to low prices. Of course that is why the market is full of people

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2004-08-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've worked as an advertising writer for 22 years. My job is to create illusions based on truth. It's about fueling desire and presenting a product in the best possible light. As you say, there are regulations, many very strict regulations, that limit how far one can go. But the most skilled

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2004-08-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/8/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: European advertising is generally just more obtuse rather than more sophisticated. Hang on tosh, let's not lump us all into the melting pot on this one! Have you seen some of those German TV ads? And the French - let's not talk about the

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2004-08-31 Thread Anthony Farr
French television is a strong argument for being an English speaking nation ;-) (duck cover) regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 31/8/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: European advertising is generally just more obtuse rather

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2004-08-31 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Seen on dpreview (anyone else I can insult?) The WOGS start at Calais. That should just about cover it. WW

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2004-08-30 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Maybe they are the official camera of the internet because that is all the *istD is good for, low resolution web photos? :) JCO -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Seen on dpreview

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2004-08-29 Thread Joseph Tainter
Pentax advertises -- at 2 AM. I don't know where this fellow is located. Joe -- I was sitting up about 2a.m. watching TV and an interesting commercial came on. There are 4 major camera companies, it starts out. Canon, Olympus, Fuji, and Pentax, it continues, Only one is the official

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2004-08-29 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
Joseph Tainter quoted someone else: I was sitting up about 2a.m. watching TV and an interesting commercial came on. There are 4 major camera companies, it starts out. Canon, Olympus, Fuji, and Pentax, it continues, Only one is the official camera of the internet, Pentax. Well, I thought

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2004-08-29 Thread Caveman
I'd give that title to Kodak for their docking cameras. They make uploading your pics oh so easy. What entity could grant such a status on behalf of the Internet?

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2004-08-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
What entity could grant such a status on behalf of the Internet? Who cares? It's smart advertising. They're apparently getting away with it. The networks haven't refused the ads, nor has the fcc made them pull it. People who want point and shoot digitals so they can send images to their

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2004-08-29 Thread graywolf
No it was first come first served. For once Pentax had a promotional idea before the other companies did. I think it was the first promotional idea they ever had. BTW, since it is offical now you can get kicked off the internet for posting photos taken with any other brand camera. Us PDML'ers

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2004-08-29 Thread Peter J. Alling
They are the Official Camera of the Internet because they trade marked that phrase. Joseph Tainter wrote: Pentax advertises -- at 2 AM. I don't know where this fellow is located. Joe -- I was sitting up about 2a.m. watching TV and an interesting commercial came on. There are 4 major

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2004-08-29 Thread Bob W
Hi, Who cares? It's smart advertising. They're apparently getting away with it. The networks haven't refused the ads, nor has the fcc made them pull it. People who want point and shoot digitals so they can send images to their friends will probably remember that Pentax is the official

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2004-08-29 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
Bob W wrote: People who want point and shoot digitals so they can send images to their friends will probably remember that Pentax is the official camera of the internet. This seems to imply that people who use ps digitals are not smart enough to spot advertising bullshit. Sounds like

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2004-08-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Aug 29, 2004, at 6:52 PM, Bob W wrote: Hi, Who cares? It's smart advertising. They're apparently getting away with it. The networks haven't refused the ads, nor has the fcc made them pull it. People who want point and shoot digitals so they can send images to their friends will probably

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2004-08-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Aug 29, 2004, at 7:29 PM, D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote: So they don't have to _believe_ Pentax has any official status -- they can even laugh at the idea like I do -- as long as there's that tickle of association in the far back of their brain when they see the name Pentax on a camera in a store.