RE: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-13 Thread John Coyle
I have and still use from time to time a Vivitar 135/2.5, which is a very good lens indeed. Sharp, and less contrasty than many modern lens, but that is a positive for portraiture, I find. Someone said that Vivitar Series 1 confounded the opinion that third party lens were rubbish, and I concu

Re: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-12 Thread Doug Franklin
Hi Cory, On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:59:49 -0500, CBWaters wrote: > From the 5n manual: > "When the camera senses subject movement during autofocus operation, [...] Well, I really feel stupid now. That exact paragraph is also in the ZX-5 manual. It never occurred to me to check the manual. TTYL,

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-12 Thread Peter Alling
Why would I bother, the question was about Pentax. I took this as an Internet related question and gave Internet related advice. Since I didn't pick my gear based on what "professionals" use I really don't care if Nikon or Canon get the lions share of the credits. At 04:51 PM 3/11/2002 -0800,

Re: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-12 Thread CBWaters
in sharp focus on the subject. If the subject is moving too fast, the shutter may not be released." Cory - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:33 AM Subject: Re: AF speed (was: Sil

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-11 Thread Peter Alling
Do a search on Pentax on their site. I turned up at least a dozen images taken with Pentax equipment. At 02:59 PM 3/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I've visited the website many times and done a lot of poking around -- and >missed them. That's why I wondered if anyone could provide more specifics.

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Yep, that's why I bought it way back then. --- Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting, this was the poor man's Series One, if it's the same one I'm > remembering. > Same optical formula as the original Series One 70 210 in a smaller lighter > than two > touch package, a bit more

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Peter Alling
I spent Halloween two years ago doing some street photography in Austin TX, (almost as wild in some way's as Mardi Gras in New Orleans), I was walking around with a 85 F2.0 on my LX trying to remain unobtrusive. The only other two photographers I noticed were using Canon and Nikon gear respectiv

RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Paris, Leonard
igham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread) Any difference must be due to AF innacuracy, shutter lag or a wrong prediction being masked by the DOF. IF the AF SPEED was not good enough then the sh

RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
...and use gaussian blur on the backgrond in PS. --- Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Set it to F 8 and it will be in focus > :) Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://w

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-11 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Wow.. there's a ton of (most likely) hand held 67 shots on there. And a fair amount of 35mm with 600mm/4. -R - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.ko

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread dave o'brien
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Pål Audun Jensen wrote: > One example of this is that a rank amateur considering a Pentax MZ-5n > should buy a Nikon or a Canon because you can't rent a Pentax 600/4 in > Florida. > It is of course of no consequence to this rational argument that 99,99% of > the worlds popu

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread dave o'brien
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Pål Audun Jensen wrote: If you really want a low impression of the photo.net readership, go read the article about his (philip greenspun's) Acura NSX. I think it may be on philip.greenspun.com by now. dave -- dave o'brien - http://www.diaspoir.net So I'm ugly. So what?

RE: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Mick Maguire
Mick wrote: Yup! Doh! I knew I shouldnt have chipped in! Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .

RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Rob Brigham
concerned before the aperture blades were closed - ie at f2.8. > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 11 March 2002 14:45 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread) > > > Take a f2.8 telep

Re: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
I used trap focus with the ZX-5, which drops motor/lens speed out of the equation, and the plane of focus still falls behind where the subject is when the shutter fires. --- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Focus is also dependant on how fast the subject moves after the > camera has conf

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 09:29 AM, William Robb wrote: > > I had a Vivitar 135mm f/2.8 lens that was so bad I took the > glass out of it and made a flower pot out of. HAR! Now THAT is a lens review. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://

RE: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Theres a significant difference. Photo.net isn't supposed to be a brand oriented or indeed a equipment oriented forum. In fact, they goes to great length saying that this vs. that brand is unwanted. This is just fluff of course. In reality its only the way it's done that has been changed. I've

RE: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Alan wrote: >Is this the same magazine as we have in the UK called Outdoor Photography? >The one where Andy Rouse uses a 645NII. Not that's Outdoor Photography (British). Outdoor Photographer (US) is another magazine. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe,

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Vivitar 75-205 f3.8 circa 1979 that was middle of the Vivitar line back then (less than the Series 1, more than the more common f4.5's). Nothing special performance, and about equivalent to a current $125 70-200. Not something worth having the lens mount converted, IMO. --- Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Steve Larson
Tiny little flowers, eh? I had one too, but it was a very early one, and was quite good. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California > I had a Vivitar 135mm f/2.8 lens that was so bad I took the > glass out of it and made a flower pot out of. > > William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discus

RE: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Alan Abbott
IL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: > Silly Photo.net thread) > > > Alan wrote: > > >Is this the same magazine as we have in the UK called > Outdoor Photography? > >The one where Andy Rouse uses a 645NII. > >

RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Take a f2.8 telephoto lens, shoot a quick moving subject at f2.8 and f11 and see what the percentage of in focus shoots you get at both apertures. If they're both %100, find a more difficult subject. If they're both 0% find an easier subject. I already know the answer, because I've done it. ---

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds Subject: Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread) > On Sunday, March 10, 2002, at 08:22 PM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > > > The original snippy remark applied to Vivitar and Kiron lenses wit

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
I wrote: >One of the more interesting technique are the arguments >against eg. brand y, and even if this has nothing to do with the consensus >brands, it used anyway as an argument as why you should buy those brands. >These argument have almost never any contextual basis, like what the >photogra

Re: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Rob Brigham Subject: RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread) > But DOF is not an issue for focussing - the camera focusses wide open. > It doesnt stop down until you take the shot. When you talk about the > subject leaving the plane of focus b

RE: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Mick Maguire
Alan wrote: >Is this the same magazine as we have in the UK called Outdoor Photography? >The one where Andy Rouse uses a 645NII. Yup, and I agree with Pal on that one. I get said magazine and it seems mostly gear oriented (including SUV's), although there are very good columns by very good photo

RE: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Alan Abbott
Is this the same magazine as we have in the UK called Outdoor Photography? The one where Andy Rouse uses a 645NII. Alan > >Pål wrote: > > > Sorry for the sarcasm but this is the essence of what you get > from reading > the nature section on Photo.net for awhile. Besides, you get the same >

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
BTW Interestingly enough, and also a point that underlines the consumerist nature of photo.net, is the fact that there's a anti medium format undercurrent on the nature section. Pretty weird considering that MF is the most popular format globally for landscape, which is the most popular area

RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-11 Thread Rob Brigham
if it is an f2.8 lens. > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 11 March 2002 01:03 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread) > > > The issue is Depth Of Field. Shooting wide open with lon

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread T Rittenhouse
with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread) > On 11 Mar 2002 at 0:28, T Rittenhouse wrote: > > > Aha! That explains it. No one ever sees a Pentax camera being used, > > because the Pentax users are all out in the woods taking pictures > > instead of hanging around

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread tom
On 11 Mar 2002 at 0:28, T Rittenhouse wrote: > Aha! That explains it. No one ever sees a Pentax camera being used, > because the Pentax users are all out in the woods taking pictures > instead of hanging around the parking lot bragging about their > cameras. Now you *know* this ain't true...we j

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread T Rittenhouse
- Original Message - From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread) > Pål, > &

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread Doug Brewer
Pål, Let's see. You're saying that, based on the preferences of Photo.Net regulars, all North American nature photographers travel in packs and shoot nothing they can't see from the pavement. By that logic, all nature photographers use Nikon and Canon, because that's the preference of the Pho

Re: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread Robert Woerner
10, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: RE: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread) > The issue is Depth Of Field. Shooting wide open with long lenses gives a very > shallow DOF. If the whole AF system (lens speed/electronics/motor, etc.) > doesn't work fast enough, the subject can past throug

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread Mark Cassino
At 12:36 PM 3/9/02 +0100, you wrote: >I always been of the opinion the Photo.net would an excellent site for >research into blatant consumerism and the concept of branding. Sites like >photo.net are places were people can meet to get acknowledgement of their >consumption. ... snip ... >Parti

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread Mark Cassino
At 05:22 PM 3/10/02 -0800, Bruce wrote: >Vivitar lenses along with Kiron are >best known for being inexpensive. Kiron lenses are largely know for their excellent build and optical quality. Vivitar Series 1 lenses are known for smashing the myth that third party lenses were inferior. I use two

Re: Pics from the Toronto PDML meet, was Re: Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-10 Thread Len Paris
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: Pics from the Toronto PDML meet, was Re: Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread > On Sunday, March 10, 2002, at 12:35 PM, frank theriault wrote: > > > > BTW, when are ya gon

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Sunday, March 10, 2002, at 02:01 PM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > You have made an unwarranted assumption that the reference to ìVivitar > and > Kironî equates to ìtruly great optics made in the pastî and ìVivitar > Series One > lensesî. I didnít do that. Find something else to off half cocked

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Saturday, March 9, 2002, at 10:26 AM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > I understand that photo.net doesn't make sense to a typical Pentax user > who > asks questions like, "Is there any way to have Vivitar and Kiron lenses > originally purchased for Konica SLR cameras remounted for use on Pentax >

Re: Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-10 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Chris asks: >>> Who cares what you like? You're stupid and LaserDiscs suck. Welcome to alt.video.laserdisc, circa 1998. Tom says: >> Needs a haircut too. Very true, as the folks who showed up to the Toronto PDML meet can confirm. Hopefully if the rest of furniture moving goes well tonight

Re: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
What was the shooting aperture? --- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Almost all my Mid-Ohio shots were taken with a 300/2.8 (Sigma EX 300/2.8 APO) > and many were taken using that lens with the Pentax F 1.7x teleconverter. Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://ma

Re: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
I don't care about supposed specs, show me the percentage of in focus pictures of a vehicle cresting a rise at 150 feet/sec, shot with a 300/2.8, at f2.8, taken with a PZ-1p. --- Pål Audun Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When the Z-1 was released Pentax published exactly such numbers; ie.

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-10 Thread ERNReed
In a message dated Sun, 10 Mar 2002 5:56:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, Pål Audun Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bruce wrote: > > > >It reaffirms that Pentax MF gear is used by professionals. There was never any > >issue there. > > > It is both Pentax MF and Pentax 35mm gear. Otherwise

Re: AF speed (was: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-10 Thread Mark Roberts
Pål Audun Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >When the Z-1 was released Pentax published exactly such numbers; ie. how >fast a subject have to move in order for a Z-1p AF being unable to follow >it when using a 300/2.8 lens. Almost all my Mid-Ohio shots were taken with a 300/2.8 (Sigma EX 300/

RE: Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-09 Thread Simon King
> PDML isn't like that. That's why I like it. Why do I like it? PDML = Post any Damn Message you Like :-) -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 7:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why I love PDML, was Re: Si

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-09 Thread T Rittenhouse
TED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread) > Doug wrote: > > >The > >Nikon/Canon camp then uses their community as "proof" that Nikon and Canon &

Re: Pentax making cameras nobody wants? (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-09 Thread Matjaz Osojnik
Actually, I think I read about it a while ago here, on PDML. Never tested it though. So I took out MZ-3 today, put it on a tripod and took a few frames of a target sheet to see it myself. The result is that I was talking nonsense, more or less. The image seems to be shifted downwards a bit, b

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
I purchased my 6x7 for 202.11. And it's in great shape. I found a 300/4 for a reasonable price. When I get my 2X converter, I'm going to use it for nature photography. All for about the price of a Nikon N80 and a long lens. Paul Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > It reaffirms that Pentax MF gear is used

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-09 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
PAJ> I always been of the opinion the Photo.net would an excellent site for PAJ> research into blatant consumerism and the concept of branding. Sites like [...] Pal, thanks for an excellent post! It says it all... I can't but second it! BTW, indeed, the newsgroups and photo.net are e

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-09 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
It reaffirms that Pentax MF gear is used by professionals. There was never any issue there. The citation also points up that most hobbiests are interested in nature photography, but this is only a very small part of professional photography. It has nothing to do with recommending equipment to the

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-09 Thread Bill Owens
> Doug wrote: > > >The > >Nikon/Canon camp then uses their community as "proof" that Nikon and Canon > >are the best for everyone, which is of course ludicrous. > > > I always been of the opinion the Photo.net would an excellent site for > research into blatant consumerism and the concept of brand

Re: Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-09 Thread MZ3_fella _
About a week after the Canon Ixus was launched in Europe a few years ago, my wife and I stopped over night in Bath, England,for some sightseeing while driving to Scotland. Wandering around town I noticed a guy with his two fists scrunched up against his face and realized that he had some sort o

Consume yourself happy with instant gratification (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-09 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Doug wrote: >The >Nikon/Canon camp then uses their community as "proof" that Nikon and Canon >are the best for everyone, which is of course ludicrous. I always been of the opinion the Photo.net would an excellent site for research into blatant consumerism and the concept of branding. Sites lik

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-09 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Bruce wrote: >Well, you can take a look at the Professional Photographers forums here: >http://www.photonews.com/forums/forums.html You will see: a) That they are >just about all freelancers and pay for their own equipment. b) For 35mm >they shoot Nikon and Canon I have a book by the nature

RE: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-09 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Rob wrote: Rob wrote: >If I get round to it, I >will type or scan the review for those interested... I'm going downtown to see if I can find the magazine. They do sell them over here. It's interesting than many feel that the Pentax 645 system can replace 35mm for most uses. Pål - This messa

Re: Pentax making cameras nobody wants? (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-08 Thread tom
On 9 Mar 2002 at 8:28, Matjaz Osojnik wrote: > Indeed. MZ-S viewfinder is good. It is easier to focus with then MZ-3. > Better than ME Super too. Apart from that, those 92% of the frame that > viewfinder shows are dead in the center. Without shifted image down > and to the right as in MZ-5n/3. I

Re: Pentax making cameras nobody wants? (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-08 Thread Matjaz Osojnik
Indeed. MZ-S viewfinder is good. It is easier to focus with then MZ-3. Better than ME Super too. Apart from that, those 92% of the frame that viewfinder shows are dead in the center. Without shifted image down and to the right as in MZ-5n/3. I find that rather important. Matjaz > Tom wrote a

Re: Pentax making cameras nobody wants? (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-08 Thread tom
On 9 Mar 2002 at 17:11, David A. Mann wrote: > tom wrote: > > [Quoting Alan Chan] > > > Now > > > you might try to convince me that it had better viewfinder than > > > the Z-1p, but I really didn't see with my aging eyes. > > > > I wish it showed more of the frame, but I find it easy to focus >

Re: Pentax making cameras nobody wants? (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-08 Thread David A. Mann
tom wrote: [Quoting Alan Chan] > > Now > > you might try to convince me that it had better viewfinder than the > > Z-1p, but I really didn't see with my aging eyes. > > I wish it showed more of the frame, but I find it easy to focus with. > Very snappy. On the subject of viewfinders, I'm amaze

Re: Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread T Rittenhouse
t/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread > On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 11:57 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: > >

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread T Rittenhouse
ssage - From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Silly Photo.net thread > T Rittenhouse wrote: > > >just because the EOS1 is use by a lot of pros, it does not mean a > >Rebel is a better camer

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread T Rittenhouse
, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Silly Photo.net thread > Well, you can take a look at the Professional Photographers forums here: > http://www.photonews.com/forums/forums.html > You will see: > a) That they are just about all freelancers and pay for their own equipment. > b) For 35mm

Re: OT: foolish arguments, was Re: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread T Rittenhouse
MAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: Re: OT: foolish arguments, was Re: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread > Neither! It's a trick question! The Yeti would take 'em both! > > Christian > Also a cryptozoologist > > On Friday 08 March 2002 15:10,

Re: OT: foolish arguments, was Re: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread David Brooks
Aaron,Which mountain,sorry.just being silly,fun Friday Dave - Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: Re: OT: foolish arguments, was Re: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread >

Re: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread David Brooks
BATMAN Dave - Original Message - From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Sas Gabor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread > Reminds me of the discussion concerning whether Mighty Mous

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread David Brooks
Yah Warren Dave - Original Message - From: "W.Xato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: RE: Silly Photo.net thread > Sorry to get onto this "silly" discussion so late but > you're mis

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread David Brooks
I sent in my 2 cents worth($75.00 USd Dave - Original Message - From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Silly Photo.net thread > Here: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0021

Re: Pentax making cameras nobody wants? (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-08 Thread tom
On 8 Mar 2002 at 15:54, Alan Chan wrote: > > I like the MZ/ZX bodies, except I can never bear their shitty > viewfinders (distorted, blurred, dull, dim). If the magnification of > the MZ-S's viewfinder were not so low, I might buy one already. Now > you might try to convince me that it had better

Re: Pentax making cameras nobody wants? (WAS: Silly Photo.net thread)

2002-03-08 Thread Alan Chan
>Well, I for one is glad Pentax made a camera for serious amateurs that is >different from similarly positioned offerings from Nikon and Canon. Being >among those who for years have asked for a small, solid, lightweight, metal >MZ-camera can only acknowledge that Pentax do listen to their customer

Re: Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread David Brooks
I like the fact than when a question or comment is asked/made,actual users of the product contribute.We may receive a dozen different answers but it sure helps in mind making up Dave Begin Original Message From: Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  PDML isn't like that.  That's why

Re: OT: foolish arguments, was Re: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 03:23 PM, Christian Skofteland wrote: > Neither! It's a trick question! The Yeti would take 'em both! Damn, I thought I'd get you with that one. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the

Re: Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Chris Brogden
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > can't count how many times I've seen questions like "How good is the > transfer on the LaserDisc of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid?" > answered with "Who cares, that movie was stupid and LaserDiscs suck" > elsewhere on the internet. PDML isn't like

RE: OT: foolish arguments, was Re: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Paris, Leonard
Uh, the one that's not extinct? Just a shot in the dark. ;-) Len --- -Original Message- From: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: foolish arguments, was Re: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread On F

RE: Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Aaron Reynolds wrote: >I dropped in to photo.net to contribute some help, as someone had asked >if anyone had info on the new 75mm f2.8 AL for 67 from Pentax, and the >first response (from a moderator) was about how there wasn't any good >reason to make that lens. What about the significantly

Why I love PDML, was Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 11:57 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: > It's the Photo.net Syndrome, where, starting with Greenspun on down, > there is a palpable hatred of anything that isn't Nikon or Canon. I dropped in to photo.net to contribute some help, as someone had asked if anyone had info on th

OT: foolish arguments, was Re: Re[2]: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 11:51 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: > Reminds me of the discussion concerning whether Mighty Mouse or > Superman is stronger...So it goes that someone wisely pipes in > "Obviously it is Superman! Mighty Mouse is just a cartoon character." I prefer "Which is better: Spide

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Sas Gabor
Hi, On 8 Mar 2002 at 8:12, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > Well, you can take a look at the Professional Photographers forums here: > http://www.photonews.com/forums/forums.html > You will see: > a) That they are just about all freelancers and pay for their own equipment. > b) For 35mm they shoot Nikon

RE: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Rob Brigham
his Canon SLR with a 300mm on it. If I get round to it, I will type or scan the review for those interested... > -Original Message- > From: Pål Audun Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 08 March 2002 15:27 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Silly Photo.net thread &

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Sas Gabor
Hi, On 8 Mar 2002 at 10:36, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > Pentax produces some of the finest lenses around, > and the most outstanding consumer bodies available. That (plus compatibility) is far enough for me. What else does an amateur need? > BUT -- only 1 pro body. It appears they want to > *s

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
a Rebel is a better camera than an ZX7. > > Ciao, > Graywolf > http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto > > > > - Original Message - > From: Bruce Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Fred
>> just because the EOS1 is use by a lot of pros, it does not mean a >> Rebel is a better camera than an ZX7. > If you insist on bring logic and common sense into this discussion > I'm afraid we're going to have to ask you to leave! Har! Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List.

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Fred
> If you are serious, why are you participating in this Silly > thread? Good point. You know, my momma told me to stay away from threads like this... ;-) Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forge

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The cameras are: ZX-5 with Pentax FA28-105 (the big one with motor zoom) and Tamron 28-105/4-5.6, and Nikon N80 with Nikon 28-105/3.5-4.5. A ZX-5n (same AF as the ZX-5) and the N80 both sell for between $300-$400. The Nikon and Pentax lenses are also about the same price ($300). I don't anyone thi

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread T Rittenhouse
ay, March 08, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Silly Photo.net thread > > Pentax has aquired its present reputation through years of > > dilligent presistance of making 35mm SLRs that serious amatures > > and professionals don't want. > > Hi, Bruce. > > And to think th

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Mark Roberts
T Rittenhouse wrote: >just because the EOS1 is use by a lot of pros, it does not mean a >Rebel is a better camera than an ZX7. If you insist on bring logic and common sense into this discussion I'm afraid we're going to have to ask you to leave! -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This mes

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Bruce is right and wrong. It is all marketing, and Pentax has failed miserably. Not in the aspect of visibility, the sales aspect of marketing, but with respect to being driven. Pentax produces some of the finest lenses around, and the most outstanding consumer bodies available. BUT -- only 1

RE: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
OK I found his web page. It says he is about to switch brands. Apparently from Canon to Pentax and Nikon! Who is Andy Rouse and does he have a web page? Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the direct

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread T Rittenhouse
- Original Message - From: Bruce Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Silly Photo.net thread > It's only sill because Pentax users, who live in their own little universe and > are clueless when

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Tounge was planted firmly in cheek. My general view is that if you like your Pentax gear, and are getting the photos you want with it enjoy it and keep it. My view is different when it comes to making equipment recommendations to rank amatuers (i.e., the poster on photo.net, judging by the questio

RE: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Rob wrote: >Again however, Andy Rouse has just announced that up to 500mm he will >only use the Pentax 645Nii in the future, and above that a D1x. Who is Andy Rouse and does he have a web page? Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 08:51 AM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: > Having > used more than one system I would say that Pentax is fine for stuffed > animals, > but for live ones there are far more sutiable tools. What were the bodies and lenses that you directly compared, and what were the faili

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Sas Gabor
Hi, I think the thread IS silly because the initial question is silly as well. Lower class budget camera bodies aren't supposed to be used for nature photography with big glass. Nor the MZ/ZX bodies, nor Canon Rebels, nor Nikon Fxx cameras. Interesting to see that some people can heavily arg

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
It's only sill because Pentax users, who live in their own little universe and are clueless when it comes to using other systems, think that a ZX-5n or ZX-M and AF lens availabilty is just as good as Canon and Nkon for wild life. Having used more than one system I would say that Pentax is fine for

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Fred
> Here: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0021wu Yes, Pål, quite silly. The same attitudes/platitudes (generally rehashed from the frontrunners' literature) show up in the rec.photo newsgroups, too. The main problem, though, is that Pentax has done little to counteract those

Re: Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Len Paris
It's silly, all right. Stuff like that is why more stores don't carry Pentax in the U.S.A. :-( Len --- - Original Message - From: "Pål Audun Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 3:23 AM Subject: Silly Pho

Silly Photo.net thread

2002-03-08 Thread Pål Audun Jensen
Here: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0021wu - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .