Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri AM 01:16:58 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :) however, the A* lenses with rear filter mounts don't require a filter in the filter mount at all times. Herb... Even more interesting

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-26 Thread Vid Strpic
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 03:25:16PM +0100, Chris Stoddart wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, mike wilson wrote: Empiricism seems to be the only saviour here. Time to get 'em out! 8-) Yay, that's what we need - some tests! If everyone who's willing and owns a Mir-47K 20mm f/2.5 can take a picture

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Steve Jolly wrote: If you examine the filters carefully, you can see that they're slightly concave lenses rather than plain glass. (This is most obvious if you look at the reflection of a light source in them - you can see two images, one bigger than the other). I

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread mike wilson
From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/25 Thu AM 09:15:34 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wideangle enablement :) On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Steve Jolly wrote: If you examine the filters carefully, you can see that they're slightly concave lenses rather

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread Vid Strpic
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 10:15:34AM +0100, Chris Stoddart wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Steve Jolly wrote: If you examine the filters carefully, you can see that they're slightly concave lenses rather than plain glass. (This is most obvious if you look at the reflection of a light source in

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread Steve Jolly
Chris Stoddart wrote: Also I can't see any concavity/convexity on the filters and they don't seem to alter the image when you look through them... It's very very slight. I could only deduce it by looking at the reflection of a light fitting, as I described. At the very least the filter

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, mike wilson wrote: They don't need to have a curve on them to act as a lens. If a light ray is hitting them at an angle, it will be deflected by refraction. http://www.ps.missouri.edu/rickspage/refract/refraction.html Would make all the difference between a sharp and

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Steve Jolly wrote: It's very very slight. I could only deduce it by looking at the reflection of a light fitting, as I described. At the very least the filter has to affect the focussing of the lens slightly, since its increased optical depth wrt the air it replaces

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread mike wilson
From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/25 Thu PM 12:15:18 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :) On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, mike wilson wrote: They don't need to have a curve on them to act as a lens. If a light ray is hitting them

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread mike wilson
From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/25 Thu PM 12:49:22 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wideangle enablement :) On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Steve Jolly wrote: It's very very slight. I could only deduce it by looking at the reflection of a light fitting

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread dagt
fra: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Steve Jolly wrote: It's very very slight. I could only deduce it by looking at the reflection of a light fitting, as I described. At the very least the filter has to affect the

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread Steve Jolly
Chris Stoddart wrote: Or maybe it's concave to make sure it *doesn't* have any effect? If a flat sheet of glass (re Mike Wilson's suggestion) has the effect of changing the angle of refraction noticeably at higher angles of incidence (and this *is* a wide angle lens) then it would make sense

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, mike wilson wrote: Empiricism seems to be the only saviour here. Time to get 'em out! 8-) Yay, that's what we need - some tests! If everyone who's willing and owns a Mir-47K 20mm f/2.5 can take a picture with and without the clear filter on the back, then scan the two

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread mike wilson
From: Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/25 Thu PM 02:25:16 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :) On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, mike wilson wrote: Empiricism seems to be the only saviour here. Time to get 'em out! 8-) Yay, that's what we

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 25, 2005, at 5:15 AM, Chris Stoddart wrote: They don't need to have a curve on them to act as a lens. If a light ray is hitting them at an angle, it will be deflected by refraction. http://www.ps.missouri.edu/rickspage/refract/refraction.html Would make all the difference between a

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-25 Thread Herb Chong
however, the A* lenses with rear filter mounts don't require a filter in the filter mount at all times. Herb... - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Re: Wideangle enablement

Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-24 Thread Vid Strpic
At last, russian post has done it's deed... :) My long wanted MIR-47 2.5/20 is here, at last. For those not in the know, here it is: http://rugift.com/photocameras/mir_47_k_lens.htm Lately, there was a thread here, that speculated problems with the rear lens assortment with this lens. I just

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-24 Thread Steve Jolly
Vid Strpic wrote: My long wanted MIR-47 2.5/20 is here, at last. Lately, there was a thread here, that speculated problems with the rear lens assortment with this lens. I just put it on my ME Super, and did a few shots (I will do more, ofcourse). No such problems, this lens is a

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-24 Thread Vid Strpic
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:03:48PM +0100, Steve Jolly wrote: Vid Strpic wrote: My long wanted MIR-47 2.5/20 is here, at last. Lately, there was a thread here, that speculated problems with the rear lens assortment with this lens. I just put it on my ME Super, and did a few shots (I will do

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-24 Thread Steve Jolly
Vid Strpic wrote: Correction. With rear filter mounted, it DOES interfere with the mirror ;) Without the filter the situation is normal, and it seems that unlike Zenitar, this lens does not NEED to have filter mounted to focus properly. But, we'll see when I develop this roll ;) If you

Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-24 Thread Vid Strpic
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:22:21PM +0100, Steve Jolly wrote: Vid Strpic wrote: Correction. With rear filter mounted, it DOES interfere with the mirror ;) Without the filter the situation is normal, and it seems that unlike Zenitar, this lens does not NEED to have filter mounted to focus