[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6868] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-19 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Ben, Jeffs, Gary, lists - Sorry for being away from the list - am at the Semiotics World Conf. in Sofia. The claim that logic and theory of science are independent of psychology does not at all imply they can not learn from psychology - or from other special sciences. Especially methodeutic

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Physics & Semiosis

2014-09-19 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Jeff, lists - I am sorry you sense dark shades ... But most of what I say in the NP book does not depend upon these speculations - which were prompted by somebody, I forgot who, inquiring into the notoriously murkuy waters of the beginnings of life and semiotics. What I am thinking of - sp

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-19 Thread Jon Awbrey
Frederick, List — Cf. http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2012/05/31/definition-and-determination-4/ Sent from my iPad > On Sep 19, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: > > Dear Ben, Jeffs, Gary, lists - > Sorry for being away from the list - am at the Semiotics World Conf. in > Sofia. >

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6869] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-19 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Stan, lists, S: The studies supported by society -- especially in science -- are often of longer term interest. SC is not a bugaboo, just a fact. I think SC is no simple fact - rather it is a host of different things - from the (trivial) observation that universities and academies and lab

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6870] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-19 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Stan, lists - Frederick -- replying again to: Hmmm, I rather think the pie in the sky is the idea that culture might make truth criteria evolve so as to have no connection with how they are conceived of today. S: Possibly, but that might not disturb anyone in that future time because the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6841] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-19 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear G - Not at all - I do not think it is a bad analogy - I think it is a great analogy! As any analogy, it has similar and non-similar parts. But the similar parts of this one are eye-opening … Best F Den 18/09/2014 kl. 16.38 skrev Gary Fuhrman mailto:g...@gnusystems.ca>> : Frederik, Every a

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6877] Re: Natural

2014-09-19 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Howard, Stan, lists, I think Stan is right the line has both qualities - the geometric line is continuous and the arithmetic line is discontinuous. Some higher animals are capable of rudimentary mathematics (subitizing small numbers). But Howard, the claim that human brains do mathematics i

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6842] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-19 Thread Howard Pattee
At 01:44 AM 9/19/2014, Jon wrote: Howard, Ben, All, Peirce, unlike Hertz, did not stop at a correspondence theory of truth. And that has made all the difference. HP: Hertz also did not stop thinking about the correspondence, or what physics now calls the epistemic cut. "Outside consciousnes

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-19 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Ben, lists, I think you are right in proposing that quasi-inferences are inferences with less than full self-control. But self-control comes in many degrees ( I address this a bit in ch. 6 I think). A very low degree of self-control may be the slow change over evolutionary adaption - with

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6842] Re: Natural Propositions, Correspondence Theory of Truth.

2014-09-19 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Jon, Howard: What is the relation between the chemical sciences and the correspondence theory of truth? What are the correspondence relations between mathematical sciences and the chemical sciences? At the ground, the same set of astounding facts provide the direct empirical answer to b

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6875] Being trivially a sign

2014-09-19 Thread Tom Gollier
Joseph, List: I haven't seen an answer to your inquiry, but I, like you, would be interested in what would be trivial and non-trivial when it comes to an index. Tom On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > Dear All, > > I have not commented on the recent exchanges as I was awa

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Being Trivially A Sign

2014-09-19 Thread Jon Awbrey
Joseph, Tom, List, Any thing at all (an embedding context, a moment in time, an active situation, or whatever it may be) that serves to connect an index with its object may do that without regard to its possible service as a sign in some other connection. So it's not so much the existential n

[PEIRCE-L] Indices

2014-09-19 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, Here's a bit I wrote on indices pursuant to my long-term project on Inquiry Driven Systems. http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Inquiry_Driven_Systems_:_Part_1#1.3.4.9._Indexical_Signs Regards, Jon Sent from my iPad - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Being Trivially A Sign

2014-09-19 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Joseph, Tom, Jon, lists, Speaking for myself, Joseph's original question is simply not clear enough that I would venture an answer. And I can't tell whether Jon's attempt answers the question either; there just isn't enough context to make exact sense of it. I would suggest holding the question

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Icons & Indices

2014-09-19 Thread Jon Awbrey
Tom, Having the distinct if not clear sense that we had discussed this or a related question once or twice before, I went searching through the web and eventually through my "ZZZ Old Machine ZZZ" files to see if I could find any record of it. I did find a file dated 6/11/2002 recording a frag

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6842] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-19 Thread Benjamin Udell
Howard, lists, Epistemologies are not claims about special concrete phenomena in the sense that they and their deductively implied conclusions would be directly testable for falsity by special concrete experiments or experiences. That's also true of principles of statistics and of statistical

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-19 Thread Jon Awbrey
A nominalist in name only would be a nominal nominalist. But a real nominalist would be a contradiction in terms. Checkmate ... Jon Benjamin Udell wrote: So the question is, again, do you think that numbers can be objectively investigated as numbers? - such that (individually, biologically,