Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

John, Jerry, lists, (1) Can we identify time with change ? With process ? (2) Are there two aspects to time - the knowable and the unknowable ? (3) The knowable (COGNITION) aspect of time is death with in natural sciences and the unknowable aspect in art (EMOTION) and religion (BELIEF)? Any com

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Unfortunately I do not have a lot of time right now and I am still in recovery. I also have projects that have my main attention. So the following should be deemed flawed and tentative. However, let me to point out that one needs to read more than the text Gary selected. Let us first clarify Char

[PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

“And if we want to explain the laws, there needs to be some history, some process of evolution, some dynamics by which laws change.” Or — Meta-laws are just laws. Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com > On Mar 20, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: > > Jon wrote: > > So laws have higher law

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Jon wrote: So laws have higher laws on their backs to smite them ... A pretty piece of poetry. But please state this in simple English so that we'll know *exactly* what you're saying. Best, Gary [image: Gary Richmond] *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies*

[PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Re: Ben Udell At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15898 BU: "Who knows how much more radical the change and evolution may be? Ben, List, I thought this was always clear, but just to underline the point: It is always possible to imagine or invent extremely radical form

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Ben wrote: Now, I've read that the current understanding is that energy is not always conserved; as the universe expands, energy increases; as it contracts (if it ever does), energy decreases; this is because change of size of universe makes time asymmetrical, and energy conservation is a matter o

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Gary R., list, Your quote from Smolin: No, the key lesson of cosmological natural selection (CNS) is that it makes falsifiable predictions for real observations. In fact the predictions I published in 1992 have held up. To mention one: there can be no neutron stars heavier than twice

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Scientific Attitude

Jon - I don't know why you feel that your post on the 'Scientific Attitude' as you call it, required its being an 'anchor' such that other topics could not be introduced or they would be viewed as, 'off the handle/off the rails' or whatever metaphor you feel like using at your hour-of-the-day.

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Scientific Attitude

Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15803 ET:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15804 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15807 ET:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15808 SEZ:http://permali

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Gary, list: First- the quotes you provided to the list from Peirce on evolution, (6.13-14), and from Smolin are excellent. I think they make clear the fact that the universe has a history. That's important; it didn't just emerge 'fully clothed' so to speak; it has a history. I also agree with

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Here's Smolin, quoted from his Edge.org interview, on the same topic: *http://edge.org/conversation/think-about-nature * Now some of this is not new. The American philosopher, Charles Sanders Peirce, identified this issue that I’ve just mentioned i

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Here's a snippet from an interview this year of Smolin by John Horgan in *Scientific American* on the topic of laws evolving. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2015/01/04/troublemaker-lee-smolin-questions-if-physics-laws-are-timeless/ *Horgan*: You suggest above, and in your new book

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

List, Here's a seminal text, quoted a number of times on the list over the years, on Peirce's idea that laws evolve (more quotations when I have time). Now the only possible way of accounting for the laws of nature and for uniformity in general is to suppose them results of evolution. This s

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Steven wrote: "I believe that my intuition is correct. That is, he intends it in the context of fallibilism and hence he is redeemed in my eye. I'll post a series of quotes later in order to demonstrate my argument." It would be exceedingly helpful for you to to that, Steven. Best, Gary [image

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

There are two senses of 'before' that are relevant here. There is before in time and there is 'before' in cause. On my understanding of the standard view of cosmology in contemporary physics (there are many alternatives, but this is the main one today), there is no before in time, since time beg

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Indeed, hence my surprise. The standing question is the actual sense in which Peirce intended his comments. On further reading, I believe that my intuition is correct. That is, he intends it in the context of fallibilism and hence he is redeemed in my eye. I'll post a series of quotes later in orde

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Edwina, Soren, Jon, list, I agree with you, Edwina, that a topic having been addressed on peirce-l in the past might very well be fruitfully taken up at a later time since any number of list members may not have followed that earlier discussion or even joined the list after said discussion, while

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Smolin has been recognized as a heavyweight in physics (and cosmology) for some time. I haven’t read this book, but the others I have read are very carefully balanced. John From: stevenzen...@gmail.com [mailto:stevenzen...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Steven Ericsson-Zenith Sent: March 20, 2015 2:0

[PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

I responded to Soren. In fact, I mention Smolin in the post to which Soren responded. I am well aware of Smolin's work - and I am surprised at it. Since when has eminence held muster in science? :-) Steven On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:46 AM, Søren Brier wrote: > Jon > > Thanks. I just wanted to re

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Before Matter, Mind and Time

What existed before matter, mind and time is mystery and most probably will remain so. It is what existed, perhaps, behind the flames of the Burning Bush, which is the way Old Testament writers described the mystery that Moses perceived. To one who asks why, remember: "I am who I am and I will be w

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

List, Jon, Soren, Steven: Let's go a full step deeper into the inquiry of time. Start with the presumption that an event initiated the becoming into existence of concept of matter. (Alternatively, one can start with the Eastern view of the universe cycling and re-cycling itself which forces eve

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Jon - I don't think that the reminder by Soren was addressed specifically to you, despite your statement of gratitude at being reminded. I think it was addressed to Steven and any of us who might be interested in that article and its arguments. And, I completely disagree with your statement:

[PEIRCE-L] Re: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Thread: SB:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15878 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15879 SB:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15880 Søren, List, Oh, of course, it was nice to be reminded, and that inspired me to scan

Re: [PEIRCE-L] SV: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

In addition, I'll add that because a topic was discussed on this list a few years ago does not mean that all the current members of that list were part of the discussion. Nor does it mean that this topic has been exhausted then and cannot be further examined now. Edwina - Original Message

[PEIRCE-L] SV: A System Of Analytic Mechanics

Jon Thanks. I just wanted to remind Steven that an eminent modern physicist found it possible to uphold his position while having a view close to Peirce's. Søren -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net] Sendt: 19. marts 2015 15:32 Til: Sør