John, Clark, Ben U, List ~
The term 'average' seems too narrowly conceived, both in the original Wikipedia
discussion of the immediate object, and in the present discussion (of the Wiki
passage).
> Immediate object: the object as represented in the sign, a kind of
> statistical, "average" vers
Gary,
Thanks for providing a link to the interesting article by Epstein. I broadly
agree with his critique of artificial intelligence, but in the end he seems to
run out of gas. He doesn't seem to understand the brain, either, except that
it is a living organism. I have read elsewhere that l
Clark, John C, Helmut, List ~
The quote below suggests the phaneron is the 'raw material' of experience
available to the phenomenologist. It comprises that which must be sorted out
and processed into a 'meaningful' collection of signs and sign-relationships.
Regards,
Tom Wyrick
1905 [c.] |
Franklin, Jerry, Ben ~
>> Consider the sentence: Harry fought Peter and contrast it with it's "twin",
>> Peter fought Harry.
>> Does it have the same logical meaning as the first sentence?
>> Does the distinction between the two sentences convey information?
This issue is more straightforward
Jeff, List ~
I am no expert on these matters, but it seems to me that mathematics and
phenomenology are productive activities for logic in a preparatory sense.
Mathematics is used to measure (some) interpretants used in logic, while
phenomenology describes the objects+interpretants involved in
Ben U, List ~
This is a great discussion but I wanted to interject a practical/physical
element that is missing.
One issue touched on is the role of impatience or dissatisfaction as a trigger
for deductive/predictive thinking. Of course, one can whip up impatience or
dissatisfaction at will,
Stephen, Helmut, List -
We really don't even have randomness in the example as it was given. The
photon and atom collided for unspecified reasons. My point is that the logic
of the 'transaction' is contained in the interpretants of the atom and photon.
If they collided for 'random' reasons,
Gary ~
Thanks! I will look at it.
Regards,
Tom Wyrick
> On Oct 23, 2015, at 5:24 PM, wrote:
>
> Tom W.,
>
> The question of how the brain does semiosis is an interesting one, to which I
> devoted quite a bit of the research that went into my book Turning Signs. The
> major sources I cons
eir persistence across time that is the
> deal-breaker. Of course I could be wrong, but then I do emphasize that my
> axiomatic framework is a best guess. Yours is a rationalization... a “just
> so” story... that is absent of an axiomatic framework to anchor to. sj
>
> From: Ozzie [m
ophical (non-empirical) theories of logic
toward the margin.
Regards,
Tom Wyrick
> On Oct 20, 2015, at 9:44 PM, CLARK GOBLE wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 20, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Ozzie wrote:
>>
>> I believe your discomfort arises from the fact that at the frontiers of
Stephen ~
DNA is a polymer that represents habits that persisted and experienced
evolutionary success. That is an exercise in Pragmatic logic. The polymer is
later activated by electrochemical energy in its immediate environment. That
is Pragmatic logic, too.
The knowing-how-to-be behavior
Clark, List ~
I believe your discomfort arises from the fact that at the frontiers of
knowledge (in any discipline), logical abduction tips over into speculation
when objects do not have Pragmatic interpretants, and are replaced by
nominalistic black-box mechanisms whose true properties are unkn
his visitor’s cup full, and then
> kept on pouring.
> The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could
> restrain himself.
> “It is overfull. No more will go in!”
> “Like this cup,” Nan-in said, “you are full of your own opinions
>
lf-interest, as
> motivation (firstness?), is established within the context of that knowing.
> This vaguely defined notion “self-interest” infers a deterministic
> narrative... it seems to imply an “instinct” “programmed” into the DNA
> blueprint, which I for one do not buy into.
&
Stephen, Matt ~
Pushing that old buffalo to the crocs may represent nothing more complicated
than self-interest. I don't believe that any species can survive (long term)
without individual members having a self-interest motive. Perhaps the old
buffalo knows "how to be," and doesn't want to sw
kiri) illogical? What about the suicidal Jews at
> Masada? Was Edwina illogical when she said to you, on July 22, "I'm not a
> member of the set of people who weep over extinctions. Something else
> emerges, just as you point out, with that E=MC2. Exactly."? A stron
Matt, List ~
> Margolis explains, "We are to construct a state ... in spite of the fact that
> no one knows how to detect the would-be guiding Forms."
If I were in charge of constructing the society of monkeys (or any other
species), I would pay greatest attention to ensuring the survival of th
List ~
I agree with Edwina's analysis, but would add a few personal views:
1- The first interpretant of murder is hate, not gun.
2- The first interpretant for twisted, hateful personalities is having parents
who neglected, abused or abandoned them at tender ages.
3- Semantics is not semiot
Edwina, Stephen, Kristi, List -
"Such an approach denies the nature of a discussion site - if you post
something and then, refuse to explain or discuss what you posted."
Here's how I look at it: After her earlier post, Kristi was queried. She then
had three options: 1-Not respond, 2-respond
Ben ~
Thanks very much for posting this, particularly the links to Atkin's
encyclopedia articles. I especially appreciated the second one, on
Architectonic Philosophy. http://www.iep.utm.edu/peircear/
Regards,
Tom Wyrick
> On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
>
> List,
>
> I'
Marccu-
I don't know whether that is what Jon meant ("our capacity for language has
nothing to do with our ability to create cognitive representations"), but
Peirce said that *everything is a Symbol/Representsmen, irrespective of
language or cognition.
That is not logic or philosophy, but an a
to observe its partner
> agents and how they behave. The penalty for misbehaving often impacts
> adversely on survival, and so most member agents learn very quickly to
> imitate the norms or be damned. Fear of the unknown is a very powerful
> motivator capable of resisting the entropi
fly.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom Wyrick
>>
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote:
>>
>> I wonder what controls instincts which I see as somewhat like inclinations
>> which suggest movement and power. I am inclined to think it is th
at like inclinations
> which suggest movement and power. I am inclined to think it is the interplay
> within a community though not always in ways that can be understood. I wonder
> of Peirce with his seemingly default inclining toward the community as a sort
> of teleological d
ove to a site where such properties do exist.
>
> One could also suggest that if the environment changes such that food seeds
> have tougher shells, instinct, stimulated by the deprivation of food, would
> activate the current individuals in that area to develop a tougher b
n-1)-n-(n+1)" rule:
>
>
> fg
> (n -1)^th level -> n^th level -> (n + 1)^th
> level
> |
> ^
&
gt;
> Regards,
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> http://inquiryintoinquiry.com
>
>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Ozzie wrote:
>>
>> Jon, List ~
>> My previous post on this subject was comprised of survey data and a few
>> summary comments that coul
rsion) and having no new
> thoughts for the nonce on the hoary old mater of nature v. nurser I would be
> reduced to recycling links to previous adumbrations — were it not that I've
> been chastened from that — so I'll just leave my sample statistical for what
> it tells of
adumbrations — were it not that I've
> been chastened from that — so I'll just leave my sample statistical for what
> it tells of themes universal.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon
>
> http://inquiryintoinquiry.com
>
>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ozzie wrote:
&g
rinatal life quite so
> halcyon as we'd like to imagine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon
>
>> On 7/17/2015 11:53 AM, Ozzie wrote:
>> Ben, list -
>> Thanks for your interesting comments. I will spend more time thinking about
>> them later today.
>>
&
Ben, list -
Thanks for your interesting comments. I will spend more time thinking about
them later today.
Let me briefly address one sentence from your comments: "I'd say that
instincts can also be triggered _inside_ the body, e.g., by prolonged emptiness
of the stomach."
According to the
> El 14/07/2015 a las 19:08, John Collier escribió:
> Folks,
>
> I am very interested in instincts for various reasons. I recently gave a talk
> on Piaget’s views on instincts at the International Society for Philosophy,
> History and Social Sciences in Biology in Montreal last we
Sung -
I asked a few days ago about your table (which you have now updated), but I did
not understand your reply:
My Question: Does your attached exhibit demonstrate that scientists/thinkers
universally use signs ... ?
Sung:
A good question. What I meant to say with the table was that all t
Helmut -
You asked "What kind of signs are instincts, inherited representamens and
immediate objects?"
I'll venture a perspective: In problem-solving (or creative activity), curious
instinct is the force behind abduction, representamens summarize inductive
insights about objects, and objects co
; serious about maintaining true democratic principles. [and for what it’s
> worth, my position is neither liberal nor conservative]. sj
>
> From: Ozzie [mailto:ozzie...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 12 July 2015 7:26 PM
> To: Stephen Jarosek
> Cc: Edwina Taborsky; Benjamin U
ts.
>
> Best, Ben
>
> On 7/10/2015 3:16 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
>
> No, Helmut, I don't think that the German people 'had more barbaric instincts
> than other people'. We are all similar in our capacity for emotional
> irrationality and violence. When a societal
ticed by anybody around Germany. The reunification of Germany in
>> the 1990s involved US guarantees of maintaining military bases in Germany,
>> guarantees sought by the French and other governments.
>>
>> Best, Ben
>>
>> On 7/10/2015 3:16 PM, Edwina Tabor
nt and criticism. And we shouldn't ignore the conflict with
> communism as an 'alternative' to fascism - this debate was vital at the time.
>
> Right - the division of German into East and West didn't help Germany or
> Europe; the impoverishment of the East is s
ant paying dues and being required to perform
>>>> organizing services. So, building an army of 49,000 dues-paying, hard
>>>> working election organizers in two years was no small thing. My point it
>>>> that this was done when Hitler was forbidden to give
Ben ~
Thanks for your helpful summary ("Ben N. is saying that Hitler was the first
leader to invite the public to follow a pattern of abductive inference like in
a detective story ...").
Both for sport and to attain positions of leadership, Greek orators at the time
of the Peloponnesian Wars
Sung ~
I was very interested in your comments and attachment. Thanks for posting it.
I have one question and one comment.
Question: Does your attached exhibit demonstrate that scientists/thinkers
universally use signs, or that humans, animals, plants, matter, etc. all use
signs?
Comment:
Gary ~
Thanks for your friendly welcome and invitation to introduce myself and my
interests.
I am an economist (PhD) who's semi-retired, with a lot of time to read and
think about interesting things. I first encountered Peirce by accident about
six months ago, and like everyone was impresse
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