Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6633] Natural Propositions & cognition

2014-09-07 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear John, list - There are several issues here with which I do not agree. 1) I do not think it makes any sense to say that sun and earth communicate. There is a large-scale interaction of different physical processes between the two. But there is arguably physical interaction between any two p

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6633] Natural Propositions & cognition

2014-09-07 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Jerry - The figures in Diagrammatology are quotes from standard textbook accounts of chemotaxis in E. Coli. So, the terminology in those figures is not mine (nor Peirce's). In Peircean terminology, I will consider the signs processed in the E.Coli detection of carbohydrates as symbols - for

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6633] Natural Propositions & cognition

2014-09-04 Thread Clark Goble
> On Sep 4, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Clark Goble wrote: > >> Edwina, Pansemiotics carries the connotation of panpsychism. Physiosemiosis >> has no such connotation. And the term “pansemiosis” carries just the >> opposite of what you attribute, namely, the idea that the universe IS >> composed exclus

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6633] Natural Propositions & cognition

2014-09-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Frederik: > On Sep 4, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: > > Let me redescribe my claim. Physics, taken in itself, does not study > cognition and communication processes - biology does. Perhaps you are seeking to express a more metaphysical argument about the relationships among

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6633] Natural Propositions & cognition

2014-09-04 Thread Clark Goble
(I’ll combine a bunch of short replies to various people) > On Sep 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Deely, John N. wrote: > > Sun and earth do communicate, but resulting directly dyadic rather than > triadic relations, and with no involvement of cognition. The point can be > generalized: communication is

RE: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6633] Natural Propositions & cognition

2014-09-04 Thread Deely, John N.
Sun and earth do communicate, but resulting directly dyadic rather than triadic relations, and with no involvement of cognition. The point can be generalized: communication is broader than cognition. From: Clark Goble [mailto:cl...@lextek.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 15:02 To: Frederi