Helmut, List,
I just came across a previous post that I think gives a fairly good
thumbnail sketch of the main themes in the ir/reducibility question:
List: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15183
Blog:
Gesendet:Sonntag, 05. Juli 2015 um 23:13 Uhr
Von:Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de
An:jawb...@att.net
Cc:Peirce List peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Betreff:Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory 1
Dear Jon, List,
Thank you! What I was having in mind by the term sign relation
: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Dear Jon, List,
Thank you! What I was having in mind by the term sign relation, was the
individual or elementary sign relation. All this is very interesting, and I wish
I was a youth again, and still could decide what to study: Maybe mathematics?
But I am not dead yet
Thread:
JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/16523
HR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/16550
JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/16551
HR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/16572
Thread:
JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/16523
HR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/16550
JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/16551
HR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/16572
Dear Jon, List,
Thank you! What I was having in mind by the term sign relation, was the individual or elementary sign relation. All this is very interesting, and I wish I was a youth again, and still could decide what to study: Maybe mathematics? But I am not dead yet, and may be able of
From: charles murray [charlesmurray1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 8:55 AM
To: Jeffrey Brian Downard
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Jeff,
I would like to communicate a few questions about your June 20 post
copied below
On 6/22/2015 2:08 PM, Jim Willgoose wrote:
“An -ism never did much for science, except for prism.”
LOL
Reminds me of the Coppola line from Apocalypse,
“'If' is the middle term of 'life'”
Jim, List,
I like that, it's mnemonic for the way deduction
is the middling metaphase in the life
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*Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:45 PM
*Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
*Edwina wrote:*
EW: 3) Again, the exact reference ought to have been provided.
Sung: The quote was from Definition #30 listed at
*http://www.iupui.edu
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Edwina wrote:
EW: 3) Again, the exact reference ought to have been provided.
Sung: The quote was from Definition #30 listed at
http://www.iupui.edu/~arisbe/rsources/76DEFS/76defs.HTM:
30
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Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 3:32 PM
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Sung, List,
Like I keep saying, but maybe some folks haven't heard it yet,
the main problem with the diagram you keep drawing
diagram have no analogy.
5) And, of course, your misuse of the categories is another problem.
Edwina
- Original Message -
From: Sungchul Ji
To: Edwina Taborsky
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Edwina,
(1) First
: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Helmut, List,
I wasn't completely sure about the meaning of your question:
• Are interpretants an own class?
Is own a translation of eigen maybe?
At any rate I went with my best guess and took you to be asking whether
interpretants (and the other two classes) were
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From: Jon Awbrey [jawb...@att.net]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 12:40 PM
To: Helmut Raulien
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Helmut, List,
I wasn't completely sure about
, 2015 12:40 PM
To: Helmut Raulien
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Helmut, List,
I wasn't completely sure about the meaning of your question:
• Are interpretants an own class?
Is own a translation of eigen maybe?
At any rate I went with my best guess
systemic formulation.
Best,
Harry Procter
-Original Message-
From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net]
Sent: 19 June 2015 20:40
To: Helmut Raulien
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory . 1
Helmut, List,
I wasnt completely sure about the meaning
From: Jon Awbrey [jawb...@att.net]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 12:40 PM
To: Helmut Raulien
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Helmut, List,
I wasn't completely sure about the meaning of your question:
• Are interpretants an own
are interdependent and only assume their identity in
the context of the three. A truly triadic systemic formulation.
Best,
Harry Procter
-Original Message-
From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net]
Sent: 19 June 2015 20:40
To: Helmut Raulien
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey
Jim, List,
I'll have to hunt up where we left off with that.
I remember looking at the text several times and
checking the textual apparatus for any clue, but
could not make hide nor hair of it.
Back when I had a bigger university library nearby
I once spent a couple of years reeling through
systemic formulation.
Best,
Harry Procter
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From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net]
Sent: 19 June 2015 20:40
To: Helmut Raulien
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory . 1
Helmut, List,
I wasnt completely sure about the meaning of your
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Sent: 19 June 2015 20:40
To: Helmut Raulien
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory . 1
Helmut, List,
I wasn't completely sure about the meaning of your question:
• Are interpretants an own class?
Is own a translation of eigen maybe?
At any
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Sent: 19 June 2015 20:40
To: Helmut Raulien
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory . 1
Helmut, List,
I wasn't completely sure about the meaning of your question:
• Are interpretants an own class?
Is own a translation of eigen maybe
: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Helmut, List,
Well, I see that my flippant remarks are likely to be mis-interpreted,
so I'll try to avert any mis-apprehensions before we go flying off on
a tangent that is not really essential to understanding the theory of
relations or its application
List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1
Helmut, List,
I wasn't completely sure about the meaning of your question:
• Are interpretants an own class?
Is own a translation of eigen maybe?
At any rate I went with my best guess and took you to be
asking whether interpretants
-Original Message-
From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net]
Sent: 19 June 2015 20:40
To: Helmut Raulien
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory . 1
Helmut, List,
I wasnt completely sure about the meaning of your question
: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory . 1
No Edwina, with me, definitely not. The huge difference is that Saussure
remained dyadic in his conception. Peirce by seeing signs as triadic
allowed
the human (and more broadly living and even inorganic - viz bees,
crystals
etc) interpretation
Jon, List,
your text is exactly fitting to the problem I had: With own class I meant absolute essence in the sense of permanent properties, distinct from permanent properties of the other classes. Exactly with this permanence I have had a problem, because an interpretant may turn into a
Helmut, List,
I wasn't completely sure about the meaning of your question:
• Are interpretants an own class?
Is own a translation of eigen maybe?
At any rate I went with my best guess and took you to be
asking whether interpretants (and the other two classes)
were ontologically distinctive in
Helmut, List,
Maybe I can clear up a few confusions about the relational standpoint
by resorting to a simpler case of a triadic relation, one I'm guessing
we all learned about early in our schooling, namely, the one involved
in the operation of subtraction, x - y = z. When I was in school we
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