Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-19 Thread Gary Richmond
Jon, list, Jon quoted me quoting a comment of his and my reply to that comment, then further remarked: JAS: How can we fruitfully *discuss *phenomenology as such, or anything else for that matter, *without *employing normative Logic as Semeiotic? GR: As I see it, one could just as well have

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary R., List: JAS: How can we fruitfully *discuss *phenomenology as such, or anything else for that matter, *without *employing normative Logic as Semeiotic? GR: As I see it, one could just as well have written: "How can one develop a normative semeiotic as Peirce conceived it without

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Gary Richmond
Edwina, list, IS NOT a definition of anthroposemiosis! I don't see that a purely intellectual outline of interactions and strict terminological definitions is 'about anthroposemiosis'. To me, the term of 'anthroposemiosis' means an analytic infrastructure capable and active in explaining human

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Gary Richmond
Jon, list, Jon wrote: How can we fruitfully *discuss *phenomenology as such, or anything else for that matter, *without *employing normative Logic as Semeiotic? Peirce would have us develop two very different sciences--phenomenology and semeiotic--in cenocopic science within his classification

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: It sounds to me like we are generally in agreement. JAS: As I have said repeatedly in defense of our terminological discussions here, the goal is always to make our (and Peirce's) ideas clear; but that is not an end in itself--it is simply an indispensable step toward developing

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }List In my view, terminological 'definitions' do not 'make our ideas clear'. And pragmatism has nothing to do with definitions. JAS wrote: "According to Peirce, it [note: pragmatism] is "merely a

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary R., Edwina, List: GR: For example, it seems to me that the tendency recently of some, perhaps most involved in the discussion here, to bypass phenomenology as first cenoscopic science and to leap to its relation to logic as semeiotic (notably, critical logic, esp. as expressed in EGs) is

Re: RE: RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
an Breemen Onderwerp: Re: RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy Auke wrote: RE: I would formulate the goal not as looking for an explanation. For me, such an enterprise ought to aid in getting better immediate objects of the dynamical object that is being studied. Diagrams are excel

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R - thanks for your post, but I think that my concern about the tendency on this list: ET: I agree and am puzzled by the strong effort of some to develop an isolate framework of the work of Peirce - a

RE: RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Auke van Breemen
go together with a plan for action that delivers a solution. Best, Auke van Breemen Van: Edwina Taborsky Verzonden: zondag 17 februari 2019 17:06 Aan: tabor...@primus.ca; 'Peirce-L' ; 'Gary Richmond' ; Auke van Breemen Onderwerp: Re: RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

Re: RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-17 Thread Edwina Taborsky
supporting and organizing the analysis, although it seems safe to assume they always will lag behind and are incomplete. It is an aid, not an answer. Auke Van: Edwina Taborsky Verzonden: zondag 17 februari 2019 15:44 Aan: Peirce-L ; Gary Richmond Onderwerp: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-

RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-17 Thread Auke van Breemen
it seems safe to assume they always will lag behind and are incomplete. It is an aid, not an answer. Auke Van: Edwina Taborsky Verzonden: zondag 17 februari 2019 15:44 Aan: Peirce-L ; Gary Richmond Onderwerp: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy Gary R wrote: "At