>>Antonio, it would help me to understand your position if you could explain
>>exactly how pomo helped you to work with the battered women.
>
>The second way in which pomo helped me in the work with battered women
>(this is the point I thought I was making in the original message) was that
>it let
bloody hell, i have stirred up an opera fan..better stop this line of
analogy immediately.
paul concludes:
>
>So what has all this to do with pomo. Well, surely they (or someone)
>has to translate their foreign tongue into one the majority of us
>can understand. Unless they do, they will be
Bill mitchell likened the understanding of pomo with that of
opera and the need for "translation". On that I do agree.
I did publish a couple of articles in the leading Canadian
post modern journal (which has since died due I believe to lack
of subscription support) but, to be honest, the only a
At 6:24 PM 11/2/96, S. Charusheela wrote:
>It is all very well for Michael P. to ask for politeness, but there was
>nothing polite about Doug Henwood's posting. It struck me as a deliberate
>effort to "tar by association," in fact to imply that THIS is the REAL
>politics of those on Pen-l who fi
>
>I think pomo is seen as difficult to engage because it's core concept is that
>there is more than one truth. If one can't preach the ultimate truth, then
>one can't be a hero. If one can't be a hero, one will take her/his toys and
>go home.
>
Maggie said the above.
the trouble with truth an
"Identity politics" is redundant. All politics is identity politics for no
other reason than that political action must be conducted in a particular
place and in a particular language. It's a non sequitur to say that identity
politics per se is "reactionary" or "progressive" or "futile".
Politics
>On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Blair Sandler wrote:
>
>>
>> I hate to say it but UMass Amherst is the obvious place to go, with Rick
>> Wolff, Steve Resnick, Sam Bowles, Nancy Folbre (and Ann Ferguson down the
>> hall), Julie Graham in geography, David Kotz, Jim Crotty, Jim Boyce, even
>> (shudder) Herb Gi
I think pomo is seen as difficult to engage because it's core concept is that
there is more than one truth. If one can't preach the ultimate truth, then
one can't be a hero. If one can't be a hero, one will take her/his toys and
go home.
sincerely,
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can only say that I have disagreed with Steve Resnick a number of times,
and never received the treatment Baiman describes. Steve Resnick has a
strong personality. He doesn't put up with shit, as they say. And he is a
decent person and dedicated teacher. I can't imagine him having thrown you
out
Dear Michael Yates,
>i read a. callari's discussion of his work with battered women with interest,
>but i must say i don't see how any person, blessed with some common sense and
>sympathy plus a radical view of the world, might not have achieved the same
>results.
My explanation of the link betw
It is all very well for Michael P. to ask for politeness, but there was
nothing polite about Doug Henwood's posting. It struck me as a deliberate
effort to "tar by association," in fact to imply that THIS is the REAL
politics of those on Pen-l who find something useful in postmodern thought.
What
Pen-l is a place for people who are working for the left. We have no
grounds for attacking each other personally. We can differ on ideas,
but personal attacks are a NO NO.
Everybody knows that a milieu like this is fragile. It would take
little ingenuity to create all sorts of splits. Without
Rhon,
As someone who was at UMass then too, and as someone who knows Steve
Resnick and Rick Wolff well, as well as the vast amount of work and good
people that they have inspired, I find highly offensive your scurrilous ad
hominem attack. Indeed, I've about had it with people on pen-l putting ou
While we're on the subject of identities - from another list...
>THE ASSOCIATED PRESS November 2, 1996
> By SCOTT LINDLAW
> Associated Press Writer
> GLENDALE, Calif. (AP) -- Elizabeth Michael's answering machine
>announces that she's ``out trying to overthrow the government.''
>
Entering the fray here, and will return to my shell immediately after this
post. Apologies in advance to any who feel that it is not appropriate to
de-lurk and then lurk again so swiftly.
On the pomo thread, there are at least fifteen different points of debate
floating around, so let me take u
> it is hard to see how this discussion of postmodernism could remind anyone of
> the moscow show trials. try as they might the psotmodernists [...]
> but it seems silly to respond to doug and others who criticize the pomos
> by accusing them of stalinism.
> michael yates
Just to set the record
On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Blair Sandler wrote:
>
> I hate to say it but UMass Amherst is the obvious place to go, with Rick
> Wolff, Steve Resnick, Sam Bowles, Nancy Folbre (and Ann Ferguson down the
> hall), Julie Graham in geography, David Kotz, Jim Crotty, Jim Boyce, even
> (shudder) Herb Gintis
I agree very much with Tom Walker's point below, which is snipped from his
longer post. The simultaneity of examining both the material conditions
and the "work of art" itself goes right to heart of what I think is
necessary. And, I doubt very many would disagree on this list, as I doubt
there a
friends,
it is hard to see how this discussion of postmodernism could remind anyone of
the moscow show trials. try as they might the psotmodernists just do not seem
to be able to demonstrate much practical relevance for their ideas. how, for
example, will postmodern ideas help rebuild the lab
>
>Old language: "The boss is screwing you. Organize and fight back."
>New language: "The metanarratives are all broken. Liberate yourself through
>freeplay in the deliciously slippery world of discourse!"
Actually Doug, you are not that far off, except for the "liberate yourself"
part. I suspec
Doug Henwood asked,
>Old language: "The boss is screwing you. Organize and fight back."
>New language: "The metanarratives are all broken. Liberate yourself through
>freeplay in the deliciously slippery world of discourse!"
>
>This is progress?
The old language is clear. In light of the tragic -
>Antonio, it would help me to understand your position if you could explain
>exactly how pomo helped you to work with the battered women.
Michael,
I thought I had; but obviously I must not have been clear. So, let me try
it again.
First, (and this is a point I had not made), my choice of thi
>It is late on Friday and I want to go home, but do you in all seriousness
>want me to believe that our saying that you don't know "Derrida from
>dogfood" is the same as saying that you didn't know "Derrida from diamonds
>or dictionaries or duality theory".
Presumably Jim's "don't know Derrida fr
Thanks to Steve Cullenberg for summarizing _Spectres_. Steve's summary is
pretty close to the impression I got looking at the book. My decision not to
buy and read the book had more to do with my needs and interests as a reader
than with an abstract standard of what any book referring to Marx shou
Doug Henwood wrote:
> Old language: "The boss is screwing you. Organize and fight back."
> New language: "The metanarratives are all broken. Liberate yourself through
> freeplay in the deliciously slippery world of discourse!"
> This is progress?
No, it's not progress.
It's not progress whe
At 10:04 AM 11/1/96, Antonio Callari wrote:
>Pomo has great practical, political implications and that is why people
>like me and Steve and Blair and Medley like it and work with it--at least
>that's why I work with it, not to run away from political activism, but to
>facilitate it. See, all of y
I don't know why people think pomo is so difficult. Here's a young twenties
non-native English speaker expressing his understanding of my classroom
discussions of Neoclassical reductionism and Marxian overdetermination:
Blair
>>Thanks Blair
>>
>>Your answers were helpful. What I'm trying to fin
>Blair presents a
>bibliography, without a clear summary of the content of the books.
>For example, Laurie Garrett's book seems more an example of
>left-inflenced science journalism than of postmodernism.
As I said, Jim, more will be coming later (I'm working under multiple
rapidly approaching de
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