[PEN-L:4966] kosovo

In all the demonizing of 'el presidente' Slobodan Milosevic not only in the media but even on this list -- even by those who oppose NATO's illegal and genocidal bombing of Serb and Albanian civilians -- no one has ever given one argument why Milosevic should be considered more demonic than Cl

[PEN-L:4963] (Fwd) MESSAGE FROM SERBIA'S WRITERS' ASSOCIATION

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[PEN-L:4965] (Fwd) REPORT FINDS SHARED GUILT INSIDE KOSOVO - NYT

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[PEN-L:4964] (Fwd) War Report 4-5-99

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[PEN-L:4962] (Fwd) War Report 4-1-99

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[PEN-L:4960] RE: Slogans

> Max: > >The Post has lied about things like this before, especially in > >Central/South America after 1980. This time I believe them. > > Diana Johnstone: Josh Mason on the LBO list used to work at In These Times and reports that they used to print Ms. Johnstone but stopped when they discovere

[PEN-L:4959] RE: Art Bell on the war

> How about a time-out to check the attitude of someone with more > social influence than all of us combined? If anybody here doesn't > know who this guy is, all I can say is you're not paying enough > attention to the society you wish to liberate. This statement is > from his Website at www.art

[PEN-L:4961] productivity

A question about U.S. productivity growth and statistics: Statistics Canada and the Centre for the Study of Living Standards in Canada have each recently released comparisons of productivity change in Canada and the US. They claim that, contrary to previous reports and widespread claims by the us

[PEN-L:4953] Chinese Dissidents Support NATO Bombing

For those Marxists who sympathizes with dissident movements in China, take another look. Henry C.K. Liu >From the HK Standard - April 8 1997 Dissident presses Nato case By Fong Tak-ho AMID a dispute between China and Nato over the Kosovo issue, a Chongqing-based dissident wrote to President J

[PEN-L:4951] Slogans

Max: >The Post has lied about things like this before, especially in >Central/South America after 1980. This time I believe them. Diana Johnstone: The late Nora Beloff, former chief political correspondent of the "London Observer", described her own search in verification of the rape charges in

[PEN-L:4956] need to negotiate with butchers

I am listening to NPR. Mea culpa. They are talking about the need to communicate with right wing para military groups in Columbia, even though they are butchers. They talk about the need to appeal to the leader's conscience. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University

[PEN-L:4955] [Fwd: CIA PREDICTED BOMBING WOULD CAUSE MASS EXODUS]boundary="------------CBE7832B60286C25497E09E5"

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --CBE7832B60286C25497E09E5 Sid Shniad wrote: > The National Post Wednesday, April 7, 1999 > > CIA PREDICTED BOMBING WOULD CAUSE MASS EXODUS > > |Contradicts Axworthy| > > By Peter Goodspeed >

[PEN-L:4957] Fwd: For imm release--Mitterand/Menchu for Peltier; 10 Reasonsto March for Mumia's Freedom

IN THIS MESSAGE: Mitterand/Menchu for Peltier; 10 Reasons to March for Mumia's Freedom FYI. Dear Peltier supporters, Please fax and email the following press release to your local media. Thank you. In solidarity, the LPDC staff collective FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ­ April 7, 1999 CONTACT Gina C

[PEN-L:4948] RE: Re: Slogans

> In this operation there is the "what to do" and the "how to do it" problem. Problems arise as we analyze. The how (aerial bombing) is totally out of synch with the stated what (slow ethnic cleansing).> Right. > In light of events, two initial conclusions suggest themselves: > > 1) US/NATO is

[PEN-L:4954] Re: Re: Re: The banana war

What Barkley says below is correct, but the fact that the U.S. position is legally correct under the WTO illustrates what is wrong with the WTO. J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: > Well, I hate to be boring here, but in fact the US > had the legally correct position on the banana war > from W

[PEN-L:4947] Re: question, not Kosovo

Thomas Kruse wrote: >Is there a web place to get historical (a decade or two) data on exchange >rates (I want to peak at the Brasilian real)? Probably not on the web, at least for a longish history. The Fed's daily data begin only in 199

[PEN-L:4946] Re: Slogans

Max: Your continued defense of the "do something" (apologist for imperialsm, etc.) camp is helpful in clearing some thoughts up In this operation there is the "what to do" and the "how to do it" problem. Problems arise as we analyze. The how (aerial bombing) is totally out of synch with th

[PEN-L:4907] Re: The banana war

I don't understand the details here (other tha that US-owned TNCs prevail over paternalistic gestures towards erstwhile colonies as a matter of course), but isn't this WTO judgement to the effect that the US may now impose tariffs against Euro-imports to the tune of the estimated amount potentiall

[PEN-L:4952] that other evil empire

Recently, unexplained charges for about $14 appeared on our Mastercard bill from Compuserve, a subsidiary of America On-Line, that other evil empire. Since Saturday, I have called their 800 number 20 or 30 times, getting thrust into voice-mail hell. Each time, I get a mechanical voice saying "we a

[PEN-L:4943] Re: Re: The banana war

Well, I hate to be boring here, but in fact the US had the legally correct position on the banana war from WTO perspectives. So, I'm not sure that one can attribute this outcome to all that Doug ascribes. Of course the whole thing was pretty much of a farce. US jobs were not even involved

[PEN-L:4942] Cluster bombs

The Independent (London) June 27, 1997, Friday Secret war still claims lives in Laos; Twenty-five years after US raids stopped, unexploded bombs continue to kill and maim By Matthew Chance Huap Huan Province, Laos Numbed to the danger around him, a Lao father slowly tills his field as an e

[PEN-L:4941] Re: The banana war

Michael Perelman wrote: >I just read that the United States seems to have won the banana war. >Why do the European countries continue to follow the U.S. lead, when the >U.S. continues to throw its weight around in virtually every realm? Because they've got no unified state, no military to speak

[PEN-L:4950] Re: RE: Re: Slogans

Concerning slogans, Tom K writes: > how about the good old "OUT NOW!" -- consistent with what Chomsky and Said have been proposing on ZNet.< Max answers: >Slogans are an concise way of saying a lot with few words. Of course, there can be lousy slogans, a lousy line, or both. 'Out now' for a resi

[PEN-L:4940] The Times: Balkans War:Cluster-bombing ends frustration of Harrierpilotsboundary="------------F548687E5A54E2F23D4B0DF2"

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --F548687E5A54E2F23D4B0DF2 If you don't believe my bullshit. Here is a little somthing for every Englishman's home consumption. Maybe the Johnny Bulls are getting a little squimish? Who us? http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99

[PEN-L:4949] Sacramento Protest

Here's the scoop on current peace activism in Sacramento. Sacramento-Yolo Peace Action is sponsoring a protest against the war in Yugoslavia on Friday, April 9, from 4:30 to 6 PM in front of the new Federal Courthouse at 5th and I Sts., across from the Amtrak station. We are asking a represen

[PEN-L:4958] [Fwd: 1998 Jackson Hole Symposium available]

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[PEN-L:4939] Slogans

Max: >Sometimes (often, unfortunately) you have to choose among >unappealing alternatives. For instance, in the Iran-Iraq war, >neither regime had much to recommend it, and neither was in the >business of genocide against the other's people, by and large. >So in that context a revolutionary defea

[PEN-L:4935] Dismantling Former Yugoslavia

>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). >Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. >You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not us

[PEN-L:4938] Re: RE: Johnny Bull Propagandaboundary="------------C563E89206EB17453817D2BF"

--C563E89206EB17453817D2BF Nato and Defense Department Press Conference high-lights on NPR, various mainstream wire service reports etc.etc. CNN even showed demonstration footage of cluster bombs including the new ground fired rocket propelled ones that we are sending or have sent to

[PEN-L:4937] Slogans

Gar asks: >> Could you carry a sign in a demonstration like the one Laura Flanders is supporting -- the one with the theme Yoshie and LP hate of "no genocide -- no bombs"? (No bombs in this context includes no ground troops; so you would be supporting an end to NATO military intervention.) >> A

[PEN-L:4936] RE: Johnny Bull Propaganda

> It seems our British cousins are working overtime > spinning out their > usual wartime fare of horror propaganda. Yet at the > same time they have > no problem dropping really dumb weapons like cluster > bombs on the > "Albanians", Serbs and others in Yugoslavia. The > limey officer's , "oh >

[PEN-L:4934] Johnny Bull Propaganda

It seems our British cousins are working overtime spinning out their usual wartime fare of horror propaganda. Yet at the same time they have no problem dropping really dumb weapons like cluster bombs on the "Albanians", Serbs and others in Yugoslavia. The limey officer's , "oh so sorry", is goin

[PEN-L:4931] Re: Bleeding Heart Gazette

At 12:14 PM 4/7/99 -0400, Max wrote: >KOSOVANS RECOUNT MASSACRES 6 Apr. 99 – Max, I am almost certain that if the US has decided to bomb, say, Canada - the reports of Canadian attrocities against its Native population would innundate the mainstream media. Many of them would not even be much exa

[PEN-L:4930] question, not Kosovo

Dear PEN-L: Is there a web place to get historical (a decade or two) data on exchange rates (I want to peak at the Brasilian real)? Thanks- Tom Tom Kruse Casilla 5812 / Cochabamba, Bolivia Tel/Fax: (591-4) 248242, 500849 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:4928] Re: Bleeding Heart Gazette

Max: Given the evolution of discussion on PEN-L, your clippings on the atrocities perpetrated against Kosovars could be seen as weighing in on the side of arguments for "doing something" to "stop ethnic cleansing". I have been watching with horror the whole thing unfold; a couple of things are c

[PEN-L:4927] Re: Air Power

On air power, Lou posts: >Air Power 2: >NY Times, April 7, 1999 > >BRUSSELS, Belgium -- When the skies cleared over the Balkans on Monday, it >seemed to be a promising day for NATO's high tech warplanes to attack >Yugoslav tanks and armor in Kosovo. But alliance officials acknowledge that >few, i

[PEN-L:4926] Balance

http://www.unhcr.ch/pubs/rm114/rm11412.htm Kosovo diary Fernando del Mundo arrived in Kosovo for UNHCR shortly after Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic agreed to allow humanitarian agencies free access to the region’s war-affected people. Following are h

[PEN-L:4925] Bleeding Heart Gazette

KOSOVANS RECOUNT MASSACRES 6 Apr. 99 – Evidence of massacres in south-west Kosovo appears to be growing after the BBC obtained the first video-taped footage of bodies, reports BBC News. Human Rights Watch and CNN have also interviewed su

[PEN-L:4944] WSWS on NATO's Atrocities

WSWS : News & Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis Where is the outrage? NATO bombs Serbian town By David Walsh 7 April 1999 NATO planes bombed the center of Aleksinac in southern Serbia early Tue

[PEN-L:4945] the war against Serbia.

At 12:54 PM 4/7/99 -0400, Tom L. wrote: >...That brings up the subject of our own American separtists i.e. the Wacoists ... Clinton came down on these scattered little kook groups pretty hard.< This is a little unfair to Clinton (and Janet Reno). The attack on Waco was a lot like the Bay of Pigs,

[PEN-L:4923] Clinton: "no state had a right to withdraw"

The Atlanta Journal and Constitution April 22, 1996, Monday, CONSTITUTION EDITION Clinton vows help in Chechnya peace bid by Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright; STAFF CORRESPONDENTS Moscow-- Handing Russian President Boris Yeltsin a prop for his troubled re-election bid Sunday, President C

[PEN-L:4924] Re: news from SLATE

Jim Devine wrote: >>The WSJ's new poll shows that now 64 percent of Americans approve of the air campaign, with 27 percent opposed.>> In terms of the potential effectiveness of popular resistance this is a figure to make one optimistic. It would cause pessimism only in a mind inextricably sunk i

[PEN-L:4919] BLS Daily Report

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_000_01BE8108.9B5104D0 BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, APRIL 6, 1999 "What you see isn't always what you can get," said an article in Monday's "Was

[PEN-L:4918] Protest This: Turkish Troops Attack Kurds

If anti-NATO protesters want to attack the hypocrisy of NATO, raising this recent outrage as NATO member Turkey and its troops violate Iraqi sovereignty and enter a quasi-US protected region to slaughter Kurds seeking autonomy. ---Nathan Newman

[PEN-L:4917] Yugoslavia in 1988

This article is about the best I've seen in Lexis to look at all the problems that led to Yugoslav civil war in their interrelationships. Looking back in retrospect, it is difficult to see how any other outcome except civil war was possible, given the secession of Slovenia and Croatia. As we know,

[PEN-L:4929] Women and the banana war

>From: Marceline White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 3:56 PM >Subject: FW: [Fwd: lobby banana war WTO] > > >Here is another take on the US/EU banana war from a women's perspective. >Please share this with your networks. This letter was sent today to the WTO, >USTR, EU a

[PEN-L:4916] Peace! Skip April 30th for buying gasoline!boundary="------------DBC37376FAF95634FD251B68"

--DBC37376FAF95634FD251B68 Peace! Skip April 30th for buying gasoline! A small revolt. Send it on! Sent to me by one of my pals. 33's Tom L. --DBC37376FAF95634FD251B68 Peace! Skip April 30th for buying gasoline! A small revolt. Send it on! Sent to me by one of my p

[PEN-L:4932] "Better to be killed by the Serbs" Salon Fwd.

>From Salon magazine:(for those who think NATO is the lesser evil, the "bleeding heart" alternative.) salon.com News April 6, 1999 URL: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/04/06/demick "Better to be killed by the Serbs" NATO had spy photos of miles of refugees fleeing Kosovo a week ago. Why

[PEN-L:4915] Air Power

Air Power 1: NY Times, April 7, 1999 ALEKSINAC, Serbia -- On Monday night, about 10 p.m., Stana Stojanovic, a 62-year-old pensioner, was watching "Esmeralda," her favorite soap opera, when she heard the airplanes flying low over this little coal-mining town. "I asked my husband if he could hea

[PEN-L:4914] Re: Re: Re: Austin's correct academic affiliation<3.0.1.32.19990405101657.00f07a18@popserver.panix.com> <3.0.5.32.19990405175916.0080a100@mail.netzero.net>

Dear Mark, The book I'm thinking of has a more academic title. Not being an academic myself, I don't keep real close touch on these kind of things. If the book comes my way again I'll let you know the author and title. I sort of have an aversion to this type of stuff, because during my days

[PEN-L:4922] news from SLATE

from Scott Shuger's April 7 column in SLATE: >A WP [Washington POST] front-pager traces the U.S. position on the ability of air power alone to resolve the Kosovo crisis to Madeleine Albright's belief that Slobodan Milosevic would probably back down after a few visible targets were hit. She held t

[PEN-L:4921] Re: The banana war

At 09:40 PM 4/6/99 -0700, Michael wrote: >I just read that the United States seems to have won the banana war. >Why do the European countries continue to follow the U.S. lead, when the >U.S. continues to throw its weight around in virtually every realm? because the US has the weight to throw arou

[PEN-L:4913] Re: Re: The banana war

On the banana war: When I was working on drugs ... er, when I was doing research on the _drug issue_ last year I came across a WP article on how changes in European banana buying had left various Caribbean nations with no choice but to transship cocaine. Someone really should do a transnational

[PEN-L:4920] Re: Protest This: Turkish Troops Attack Kurds

At 11:00 AM 4/7/99 -0400, Nathan wrote: >If anti-NATO protesters want to attack the hypocrisy of NATO, raising this >recent outrage as NATO member Turkey and its troops violate Iraqi >sovereignty and enter a quasi-US protected region to slaughter Kurds seeking >autonomy. My impression is that tho

[PEN-L:4912] Re: The banana war news

Ruling Allows Tariffs by U.S. Over Bananas NYT, April 7, 1999 By DAVID E. SANGER WASHINGTON -- The World Trade Organization handed the United States a significant but only partial victory in its long-running dispute over banana trade on Tuesday, authorizing the Clinton administration to impose ro

[PEN-L:4910] Making the World Safe for Hypocrisy

> From Michael Parenti: > > _Against Empire_, 1995, pp. 27-28: > 'Since World War Two, the U.S. government has given over $200 in > military aid to train, equip, and subsidize more than 2.3 million > troops and internal security forces in some eighty countries, the > purpose being not to defen

[PEN-L:4911] re the mines

> From: Workers World News Service > Reprinted from The Workers World Newspaper > July 30, 1998 > > Kosovo: 'The war is about the mines' ^^ > By Sara Flounders We'll see. The obvious acid test of this theory lies in whether or not NATO's busy moralists get ar

[PEN-L:4909] US or EU for China

Wednesday April 7 1999 Zhu In The US Premier set to play European card WILLY WO-LAP LAM in Los Angeles Premier Zhu Rongji is to play the "European card" to try to persuade his American hosts to a

[PEN-L:4902] Florida anti-war activities

> Florida listers note below e-dresses for more info...Michael Hoover > > > This Week's Events (see below for more details) > > --- > > TUESDAY: Ramsey Clark to Speak in St. Petersburg > > WEDNESDAY: Weekly Vigil and Organizing Meeting in Or