[PEN-L:9677] More cyberspace clutter (was: Re: Re: Re: Virus warning)

1999-07-27 Thread W. Kiernan
Louis Proyect wrote: At 05:00 PM 7/27/99 -0700, you wrote: When I recevied this two days ago, I went to McAfee.com, a premier virus protection software manufacturer, to check on it. At that time there was NO listing, advisory, or warning about this so-called virus. Before you

[PEN-L:9676] Re: Re: Virus warning

1999-07-27 Thread Louis Proyect
At 05:00 PM 7/27/99 -0700, you wrote: When I recevied this two days ago, I went to McAfee.com, a premier virus protection software manufacturer, to check on it. At that time there was NO listing, advisory, or warning about this so-called virus. Before you clutter cyberspace with this, check

[PEN-L:9675] Re: Virus warning

1999-07-27 Thread Michael Eisenscher
When I recevied this two days ago, I went to McAfee.com, a premier virus protection software manufacturer, to check on it. At that time there was NO listing, advisory, or warning about this so-called virus. Before you clutter cyberspace with this, check for yourself. Michael At 12:45 PM

[PEN-L:9674] FW: Dalai Lama/Today's Tibet

1999-07-27 Thread Craven, Jim
This was forwarded to me for which I am grateful and I thought it might add some information to the discussions. Thanks to Macdonald Stainsby for taking the time to share this. Jim Craven -Original Message- From: Macdonald Stainsby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 27,

[PEN-L:9673] Re: Limitations

1999-07-27 Thread Jim Devine
Jim Craven writes: This may seem to be a cop-out for some, but I tell you honestly, on the question of ... the question alluded to by Jim Devine (the supposed elitist nature and machinations of the government of China) I do not have enough information and I for sure do not trust the accounts of

[PEN-L:9672] BLS Daily Report

1999-07-27 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, JULY 27, 1999: An additional $200 a month or less in income would make it possible for 68 percent of the nation's working poor to meet their families' financial needs, according to findings drawn from "The Work Trends Survey," performed by the John L. Heldrich Center

[PEN-L:9671] any comments on this claim

1999-07-27 Thread Michael Perelman
Strassmann, Paul A. 1997. The Squandered Computer: Evaluating the Business Alignment of Information Technologies (Information Economics Press). 75: "In 1992 I met with the statistical staff from the Department of Commerce to gain an understanding of how they translated current IT budgets into

[PEN-L:9670] FW: threats to native sovereigntists (fwd)

1999-07-27 Thread Craven, Jim
To Tony and Arthur: Let the Sea Racists also sue me for my article in "Dark Night Field Notes" No. 14 "Chronicles of Ecoimperialism: Real Whales, Real People". Let them try to show that we knowingly, with intent and malice, causing tangible damages, told/wrote untruths we knew to be untrue

[PEN-L:9669] Bill McKibben

1999-07-27 Thread Louis Proyect
Lou, I was surprised to see you uncritically post a piece by Bill McKibben. His bourgeois antiurban romanticism seems deeply at odds with Marxism, even your own somewhat peculiar romanticized preindustrial Marxist fantasia. Were I feeling less kind, I'd say your style of Marxism has a face that

[PEN-L:9668] Re: Bill McKibben

1999-07-27 Thread Michael Yates
What do you mean by "romanticized preindustrial Marxist fantasia"? michael yates Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote: Lou, I was surprised to see you uncritically post a piece by Bill McKibben. His bourgeois antiurban romanticism seems deeply at odds with Marxism, even your own somewhat peculiar

[PEN-L:9667] RE: Bill McKibben

1999-07-27 Thread Max Sawicky
For a "virtual" debate between Mr. McKibben and yours truly that begin on 12/23/97, see "The Future of Consumption" at: http://bsd.mojones.com/hellraiser_central/forum/index.html mbs --- Lou, I was surprised to see you uncritically post a piece by Bill McKibben. His

[PEN-L:9666] Limitations

1999-07-27 Thread Craven, Jim
Response: He was villified as a "traitor" by some and this caused some splits that the powers-that-be in the Canadian Government, DIA and anti-Treaty/Indians were able to capitalize on. Because Indians have been ignored for so long (note the media when they refer to "minorities" always you hear

[PEN-L:9665] Bill McKibben

1999-07-27 Thread Frances Bolton (PHI)
Lou, I was surprised to see you uncritically post a piece by Bill McKibben. His bourgeois antiurban romanticism seems deeply at odds with Marxism, even your own somewhat peculiar romanticized preindustrial Marxist fantasia. Were I feeling less kind, I'd say your style of Marxism has a face that

[PEN-L:9664] FW: Glogovac

1999-07-27 Thread Max Sawicky
Date: 27 July 1999 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kosovo Atrocities Recounted In Detail (New York, July 27, 1999) -- Human Rights Watch today released a detailed report on how Serbian and Yugoslav forces besieged and terrorized the ethnic Albanian population of Glogovac town and the surrounding

[PEN-L:9663] RE: RE: Re: FW: reprint of Kennedy essay

1999-07-27 Thread Max Sawicky
what setbacks? mbs / One of our former Chiefs, a Siksika Chief, was invited to speak to a group in Canada. He was really taken with them as they appeared to "really listen" as opposed to the Tories, Liberals and NDP. He later found out that they were Reform Party, which is the most anti-Indian

[PEN-L:9662] RE: Re: FW: reprint of Kennedy essay

1999-07-27 Thread Craven, Jim
Thanks to Louis and Max. One of our former Chiefs, a Siksika Chief, was invited to speak to a group in Canada. He was really taken with them as they appeared to "really listen" as opposed to the Tories, Liberals and NDP. He later found out that they were Reform Party, which is the most

[PEN-L:9661] Re: FW: reprint of Kennedy essay

1999-07-27 Thread Gil Skillman
Jim, Judging from the magazine's website, they're lefty and write critically of Clinton, the Kosovo war, US poverty policy, etc. Gil -Original Message- From: Editor, Albion Monitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 4:35 PM Subject:

[PEN-L:9660] Book Recommendations

1999-07-27 Thread Craven, Jim
For what it is worth, I recommend the following books for analysis, criticism, support or whatever: "Albert Speer: His Battle With the Truth" by Gitta Sereny, Alfred a Knopf, NY, 1995 Highly recommended for all the neo-Speers and neo-Eichmanns working for the IMF, World Bank, WTO, agencies of

[PEN-L:9644] Re: Minnesota Nuts

1999-07-27 Thread Michael Keaney
If I recall correctly,Ventura was in the front line alongside Charlton Heston defending the constitutional right to bear arms in the aftermath of the Littleton, Colorado shootings. Michael Max wrote: For all his daffiness, by all accounts I've seen Jesse's performance as governor, by

[PEN-L:9646] Minnesota Nuts

1999-07-27 Thread Louis Proyect
Worse than that, he popped off that if there had been an armed security guard, the tragedy could have been averted. Of course, there was an armed guard. mbs Alexander Cockburn lavishes praise on Ventura in his latest column, seen everywhere, for defending the right to own guns. It is the usual

[PEN-L:9648] Re: RE: Re: Minnesota Nuts

1999-07-27 Thread Doug Henwood
Max B. Sawicky wrote: Worse than that, he popped off that if there had been an armed security guard, the tragedy could have been averted. Of course, there was an armed guard. And Alexander Cockburn, in identical items running in New York Press and Counterpunch, gave an uncritical outlet to

[PEN-L:9650] Fw: Speakers and Topics for the Commission of Inquiry

1999-07-27 Thread Frank Durgin
-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yugoslavia list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Speakers and Topics for the Commission of Inquiry Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:07 PM Commission of Inquiry at the International Action Center 39 W. 14th St., #206 New York, NY 10011 (212) 633-6646

[PEN-L:9654] Another Virus Hoax

1999-07-27 Thread Max Sawicky
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[PEN-L:9655] RE: Fred and Henry

1999-07-27 Thread Craven, Jim
-Original Message- From: Charles Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 9:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fred and Henry Regarding Henry Liu's work as a financier and Marxist, Engels was a capitalist. Marx was subsidized by Engels income.

[PEN-L:9659] Re: FW: reprint of Kennedy essay

1999-07-27 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Craven: Anyone know about the content and perspectives of this magazine: http://www.monitor.net/monitor I just checked their webpage and it looks like a terrific publication, with anti-KLA articles, a defense of the KPFA protests, etc. It is a 'zine that is distributed free to customers of a

[PEN-L:9658] RE: FW: reprint of Kennedy essay

1999-07-27 Thread Max Sawicky
Anyone know about the content and perspectives of this magazine? Jim C Looks reliably left-progressive to me. Only hinky part is they run Alex Cockburn. I wouldn't worry about it. mbs

[PEN-L:9653] Re: Virus warning

1999-07-27 Thread Gil Skillman
To corroborate Doug's hoax message: there is no mention of this virus in the "Virus Alert" section of IBM's web site. Gil Skillman From: Stavros Vanakaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NEW e-mail VIRUS 2!!! Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:24:02 +0300 ATTENTION !!

[PEN-L:9652] Re: Virus warning

1999-07-27 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: From: Stavros Vanakaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NEW e-mail VIRUS 2!!! Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:24:02 +0300 ATTENTION !! = IF YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL WITH A FILE CALLED "CALIFORNIA," DO NOT OPEN THE FILE. THE

[PEN-L:9651] Virus warning

1999-07-27 Thread Louis Proyect
From: Stavros Vanakaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NEW e-mail VIRUS 2!!! Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:24:02 +0300 ATTENTION !! = IF YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL WITH A FILE CALLED "CALIFORNIA," DO NOT OPEN THE FILE. THE FILE CONTAINS THE WOBBLER VIRUS.

[PEN-L:9647] BLS Daily Report

1999-07-27 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, JULY 26, 1999 The American labor movement has belatedly recognized that, if it is to reverse the decades-long slide in the percentage of workers belonging to unions, it must make some headway in high technology, the economy's fastest-growing sector. ... Persuading