Re: Keeping Tabb

Title: Re: Keeping Tabb Greetings Economists, MBS writes in his usual fashion, Sure if we take the latter point literally, China has not been the destination of many runaway U.S. shops.  But China is at once a real component of a globalization process, and politically symbolic of the ratificat

RE: Re: Re: NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

And in the olden days of the 1960's, the Quakers were pretty important in the draft resistance and anti-Vietnam war action. mbs > > I'm no fan of religion, and I'm guessing you're not either, but > there's no doubt that religious people do lots of extremely admirable > labor, human rights, and

Keeping Tabb

I went to the MR site looking for Tabb's article, preparing to dismember it. In fact I agree with 90 percent of it. In passing I want to note that Tabb's reporting of polling results does not jive well with SP's paraphrasing. The public does think globalization is a problem for living standards

Re: RE: RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A CriticalView

steve wrote orginally: > I'm convinced it'll fail because of the well laid out arguments of people > like Bacon and Tabb (see March issue of Monthly Review). The strategy is > short sighted and will not jive with the American populace, who don't > blame China or trade with China for their problems

Re: NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

Mine, Have you heard of liberation theology to begin with? Steve On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > labor-religion coalition? interfaith commitee? people of faith net work? > what are these to be exact? what have they got to with labor rights, > sweatshops and social justice i

RE: RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A CriticalView

I'm convinced it'll fail because of the well laid out arguments of people like Bacon and Tabb (see March issue of Monthly Review). The strategy is short sighted and will not jive with the American populace, who don't blame China or trade with China for their problems. > Oh really? On wha

Re: Re: NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

Doug Henwood wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >labor-religion coalition? interfaith commitee? people of faith net work? > >what are these to be exact? what have they got to with labor rights, > >sweatshops and social justice issues? > > I'm no fan of religion, and I'm guessing you're not e

Re: NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >labor-religion coalition? interfaith commitee? people of faith net work? >what are these to be exact? what have they got to with labor rights, >sweatshops and social justice issues? I'm no fan of religion, and I'm guessing you're not either, but there's no doubt that r

RE: NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

labor-religion coalition? interfaith commitee? people of faith net work? what are these to be exact? what have they got to with labor rights, sweatshops and social justice issues? Mine N.B. These are the components of the U.S. left that actually do useful things, talk to real people i

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and financial crises

Jim, I didn't think that you were arguing with me, but I am not sure how far I would go along with your discussion of hegemon. We can look at the Great Depression from three different angles: the monetary side that you and Tom have been discussing; the under consumption side that you have, I bel

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and financial crises

Edwin (Tom) writes: >I thought you were agreeing with Kindleberger, who thinks that the world >needs fiat currencies to prevent stagnation, consequently, the lack of a >"world hegemon" exacerbated the Great Depression. Actually, I cited Kindleberger as suggesting that the hegemony of the UK du

NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

labor-religion coalition? interfaith commitee? people of faith net work? what are these to be exact? what have they got to with labor rights, sweatshops and social justice issues? Mine Hoover wrote: > > Organized by the NYU Program in American Studies > > >> > Co-sponsors: United Students

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and financial crises

G'day Tom, You write: >I thought you were agreeing with Kindleberger, who thinks that the world >needs fiat currencies to prevent stagnation, consequently, the lack of a >"world hegemon" exacerbated the Great Depression. But you do not agree >with Kindleberger, since such a "world hegemon" only

Palestinians speak out (fwd)

-- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:37:57 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Palestinians speak out Palestinian intellectuals published the essay below in the Israeli liberal magazine Ha'aretz. They are tak

NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

> forwarded by Michael Hoover > > > Labor's Next Century: New Alliances, Sweatshops and the Global South > > > > An international conference at New York University on the future of > > post-Seattle alliances, international organizing and the struggle for > > human rights > > > > April 7-8 at Ju

[Fwd: book about past and future of world revolutions]

at the risk of seeming to push my own cookie, i would suggest that participants in the April 16 demo might benefit from having a look a new book that puts this movement in world historical perspective. Terry Boswell and I have written _The Spiral of Capitalism and Socialism_ in order to expl

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and financial crises

Jim Devine wrote: > > I didn't know I was disagreeing with Michael. Reading the above tells me > that I wasn't. I was talking about something else, the need for a world > hegemon to allow fiat money to operate on a world scale and the way in > which the system of competing capitalist nation state

liberal media/stock market players: Re: Left Approach toChina Trade: A Critical View (fwd)

well, this does not look like a flash news!! Mine >Louis Proyect wrote: >>I believe there are some personal matters beneath the surface that explain >>this. Henry was Doug's broker 2 years ago involving a Hong Kong pork belly >>derivatives deal that went sour. Since it was based on a butterf

Re: Re: Re: Marx and financial crises

I wrote: > > The whole system also required institutions of wage- and price-setting > that allowed deflation, since the supply of gold seems to > steadily fall > behind the demand for it as a capitalist economy grows.< Edwin (Tom) writes: >Jim, If I'm not mistaken, Michael's argument is that t

RE: Re: speculation

Doug, How many months old were you when you gathered your first statistic? Ian > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Henwood > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 1:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEN-L:17500] Re: speculation

Re: Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View (fwd)

I wrote: > >Suppose one is in favor of "free trade." This is a venerable leftist and > internationalist position,< Mine Aysen Doyran writes: >Respectfully, I don't think so. Not every leftist would agree on this >definition. I didn't say _the_ venerable leftist and international position but

Re: Re: Re: Marx and financial crises

Edwin Dickens wrote: > Jim Devine wrote: > > > > > > The whole system also required institutions of wage- and > > price-setting that allowed deflation, since the supply of gold seems to > > steadily fall behind the demand for it as a capitalist economy grows. > > Jim, If I'm not mistaken, Mich

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

Louis Proyect wrote: >I believe there are some personal matters beneath the surface that explain >this. Henry was Doug's broker 2 years ago involving a Hong Kong pork belly >derivatives deal that went sour. Since it was based on a butterfly spread >type margin call, Doug was short the broker and

Re: speculation

Ellen Frank wrote: > Anybody out there have a reasonably accurate >figure for total annual international trade as a % of total annual international currency transactions? Total world exports, 1998: $5.4 trillion. Average daily currency volume, appx $1.5 trillion

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

Henry Liu is a very contentious subject here. I think that we could do well to not try to characterize him here. Louis Proyect wrote: > Steve Philion: > >I agree with this text, of course. Note that the source is the same kind > >of source that Henry has so passionately attacked Doug for using

Re: Re: Marx and financial crises

Jim Devine wrote: > > > The whole system also required institutions of wage- and > price-setting that allowed deflation, since the supply of gold seems to > steadily fall behind the demand for it as a capitalist economy grows. Jim, If I'm not mistaken, Michael's argument is that technical progr

Voices, periphery, Edward Said: [Fwd: (To POS 787)Fwd: A truly fragile identity]

you can ignore the first two sentences. I tried to reply it directly, but it went through strangely. i am forwarding it now. peace, Mine A very interesting piece by Edward Said. As we discussed in the Ajami book, note the centrality of poetry. See you tonight. Note: forwarded message

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View (fwd)

Jim Devine wrote: >Suppose one is in favor of "free trade." This is a venerable leftist and >internationalist position, Respectfully, I don't think so. Not every leftist would agree on this definition. The idea that we should be in favor of free trade for the sake of internalization and free m

Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

Steve Philion wrote: >I agree with Henry about Harry Wu. I think his attacks on Doug are based >on much less valid reasoning. I believe there are some personal matters beneath the surface that explain this. Henry was Doug's broker 2 years ago involving a Hong Kong pork belly derivatives deal tha

BLS Daily Report

BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, MARCH 28, 2000 RELEASED TODAY: Regional and state unemployment rates were stable in February. All four regions posted little or no change over the month, and 46 states recorded shifts of 0.3 percentage point or less. For the second straight month, all regions, divisi

speculation

Penners -- Anybody out there have a reasonably accurate figure for total annual international trade as a % of total annual international currency transactions? Or total annual new stock issues as a % of total annual US stock transactions? Need it in a hurry if you know it off the top

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

I agree with Henry about Harry Wu. I think his attacks on Doug are based on much less valid reasoning. Henry might not like Doug's critical comments on aspects of China's labor regime, but Henry can't even bring himself to acknowledge that Doug also is critical of the AFL-CIO's positin on China...

Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

>I will add that when Henry chooses to be informative, he is one >of the most informative and useful posters on the internet. But >mostly he chooses to spout the obvious or spout nonsense. > >Carrol Yes, but without his intervention we'd be much worse off. It would be better, I suppose, if we had

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

Louis Proyect wrote: > But Henry is correct. There is an enormous propaganda offensive that is > attempting to demonize the Chinese government. Damn it. All sorts of leftists are attacking the Anti-China crusade. Being against the AFL-CIO on this is no more praiseworthy than being against chil

Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

Steve Philion: >I agree with this text, of course. Note that the source is the same kind >of source that Henry has so passionately attacked Doug for using when >making criticisms of the labor regime in China. It's nice to see that it >is alright to quote from the beast after all when discussing Ch

Re: Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

Jim Devine wrote: I'm not going to comment on any of the details of this thread (especially the unnecessary rudeness), Steve writes: Thanks for your comments. I'd like to respond to this above comment however. I've tried to not be rude toward Max, I respect his work at EPI and him even when I di

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

I agree with this text, of course. Note that the source is the same kind of source that Henry has so passionately attacked Doug for using when making criticisms of the labor regime in China. It's nice to see that it is alright to quote from the beast after all when discussing China Steve On

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consumer confidence

Considering the fact that the current stage of the US economic boom is powered by consumer spending and increased indebtedness, I'm surprised that the New York TIMES waited until page 14 of its Business Section to print the wire-service story on the second consecutive monthly decline in consum

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

At 10:39 PM 3/28/00 -1000, you wrote: >I'm convinced it'll fail because of the well laid out arguments of people >like Bacon and Tabb (see March issue of Monthly Review). The strategy is >short sighted and will not jive with the American populace, who don't >blame China or trade with China for the

Re: Re: Re: Query on "Small Farmers"

At 11:22 PM 3/28/00 -0600, you wrote: >Is there are breakdown on the number of organic farmers and >production of organic farms etc? I don't know, but it's interesting that last time I heard, Gallo Wines -- famous for being a mass-producer of mediocre jug-wines and for once being the target of

GERMANY'S NEW IDENTITY - A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS

GERMANY'S NEW IDENTITY - A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS By David Bacon FRANKFURT, GERMANY ( 3/28/00) - Twenty-six years ago, a young theology student, Manuel Campos, fled Portugal one step ahead of the secret police. As the Salazar, and then Caetano, dictatorships crumbled, he and other student

Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

>What's wrong w/Harry Wu screaming about lack of >basic freedoms in China? >From the PEN-L archives: The Houston Chronicle, February 4, 1996 Harry Wu just won't back off; Crusader dismisses criticism of his stance against China LYDIA LUM; Staff MILPITAS, Calif. - As soon as human rights c

Tabb on China policy

>From Monthly Review: Volume 51, Number 10 March 2000 After Seattle: Understanding the Politics of Globalization by William K. Tabb {Cut, about the first 2/3rds of the article, go to www.monthlyreview.org for full article) Similarly, an analysis is needed concerning the politics inherent in

Re: RE: Re: RE: Left Approach to China Trade: A CriticalView

I'm convinced it'll fail because of the well laid out arguments of people like Bacon and Tabb (see March issue of Monthly Review). The strategy is short sighted and will not jive with the American populace, who don't blame China or trade with China for their problems. I say it will fail for same