Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
If the Dems don't figure out the energy crisis, they will go the way of Jimmy Carter. Just after I put down the overemphasis on politics, I will add that Davis makes Clinton look like a leftist radical. Michael Perelman What if neither party can figure out a viable solution to the energy

Re: Re: Buck Fush

2001-01-30 Thread Patrick Bond
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:17:05 -0500 From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, family planning is important. The question is who runs family planning programs. I don't like the idea of "international family planning organizations" running them. I'd rather see

RE: Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
If the Dems don't figure out the energy crisis, they will go the way of Jimmy Carter. Just after I put down the overemphasis on politics, I will add that Davis makes Clinton look like a leftist radical. Michael Perelman What if neither party can figure out a viable solution to the

Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Justin Schwartz
What about Catholic Workers? (Who really do provide social services.) --jks h, Along with Scientology, how would the bushies react to Wiccan members demanding a desk in the white house? inquiring minds want to know. maggie coleman Jim Devine wrote: To: "Editors, Los Angeles TIMES"

Darth Vader meets the new 'military fiscalism'

2001-01-30 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/nationalsecurity/A58813-2001Jan28.html Space Is Playing Field For Newest War Game Air Force Exercise Shows Shift in Focus By Thomas E. Ricks Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, January 29, 2001; Page A01 SCHRIEVER AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. -- Last week,

RE: Re: Rumsfeld falsifies Rational Choice

2001-01-30 Thread Forstater, Mathew
this is also a problem with "revealed preference theory." by the way, might not Rumsfeld expect to gain in many other ways--new and strengthened contacts, memoirs, etc.? jeff wrote: Note, however, the circularity of the argument as I've stated it. Mr. Rumsfeld behaved as he did because of his

Chrysler crisis

2001-01-30 Thread Charles Brown
A screeching halt: DC slams on brakes after strong 5-year run January 30, 2001 BY JEFFREY MCCRACKEN DETROIT FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER That loud sound coming from Auburn Hills on Monday morning was the auto industry's hard landing. With the announcement Monday that it is

Re: Re: Korean news

2001-01-30 Thread Justin Schwartz
Brad, there is an important discussion here, but I shan't participate in it if you can't keep it clean and depersonalized. I owe you an apology for not doing likewise myself, and it is offered here. Now, let's get down to business. I should like to see evidence that the CIA, etc. expected tow

BLS Daily Report

2001-01-30 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, JANUARY 29, 2001 During the economic boom times of the 1990s, the private service-producing sector accounted for 90 percent of all job growth and boosted its share of total employment to about 80 percent, according to an analysis by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. At

Canada, NAFTA and energy

2001-01-30 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
[from an FTAA list] http://www.nationalpost.com/ It's the NAFTA, stupid Linda McQuaig National Post Ever since Mike Harris redefined the expression "common sense" to mean the underfunding of every service the public wants and needs, there's been a difficulty using that term in a meaningful

Re: Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: the overemphasis on politics Eh? Is this some neoclassical virus that's got a hold of you Michael? How can anyone consider economics "progressively" apart from politics? Even something as vulgar as the business cycle is political. Doug

Re: Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
The repugs are in a distint minority. They have no reason to get their hands dirty with a solution. Although deregulation was bipartisan, the Dems took the lead. On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 04:29:57AM -0500, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: If the Dems don't figure out the energy crisis, they will go the

Re: Re: Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't pretend that their is a delinking, but there is a tendency on this list to emphasize politics, concentrating on particular people, especially in discussing issues outside of the U.S. But then, the neoclassical virus may be affecting me without my knowledge. On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at

Re: Canada, NAFTA and energy

2001-01-30 Thread Ken Hanly
An excellent article. I am always amazed the National Post, a staunch right-wing rag owned by left-hater Conrad Black, permits columns such as this by a hard-hitting popular left wing writer. Albertans are also asking themselves these days why they are required to pay about 800,000 to defend

IMF, WORLD BANK CRY UNCLE ON MOZAMBICAN CASHEW, SUGAR

2001-01-30 Thread Robert Naiman
- Original Message - From: Robert Weissman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: [stop-imf] Mozambique raw cashew ban - winning battle with IFIs MOZAMBIQUE WINS LONG BATTLES OVER CASHEW NUTS AND SUGAR MOZAMBIQUE BANS RAW CASHEW

Downturn revives old fears in Michigan

2001-01-30 Thread Charles Brown
Downturn revives old fears in state By Gordon Trowbridge / The Detroit News Michigan is officially back in the layoff business. After nearly a decade of turbocharged profits and fat paychecks, Monday's announcement of massive job cuts at DaimlerChrysler reacquainted workers from

Re: Re: Bush vs. Smith

2001-01-30 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/27/01 11:00AM At 07:48 AM 01/27/2001 -0600, you wrote: Bush is an appointee of the Supreme Court, he wasn't elected. I mean, that is the definition of appointee, isn't it? maggie coleman what does one call someone who got in office via a _coup_? ( A ursurper

The future of Islamic Banking

2001-01-30 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
full story at: http://www.businesswithoutborders.com/may/page10.htm P R O J E C T F I N A N C E High Finance Without Interest Financial Institutions That Follow Islamic Religious Precepts Are Growing Worldwide By Jean Parvin Bordewich Abdulkader Steven Thomas, CEO of the Islamic Investment

Re: RE: Re: Rumsfeld falsifies Rational Choice

2001-01-30 Thread ravi narayan
Forstater, Mathew wrote: this is also a problem with "revealed preference theory." by the way, might not Rumsfeld expect to gain in many other ways--new and strengthened contacts, memoirs, etc.? jeff wrote: Note, however, the circularity of the argument as I've stated it. Mr. Rumsfeld

Re: Darth Vader meets the new 'military fiscalism'

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Carl Grossman has been sounding the alarm on this for years, but few people seem to have been interested. I don't recall seeing him in print outside of the Progressive. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax

Re: Re: Re: Buck Fush

2001-01-30 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Michael, Yes, Kerala does a very good job of educating its young girls. There is a new quite good book about Kerala called, _Kerala: The Development Experience_ edited by Govind Payatal, London: Zed Books, 2000. The big negative, as has been noted on this list before, is that Kerala has had

Al-Ahram Weekly On-line

2001-01-30 Thread Charles Brown
Al-Ahram Weekly On-line 25 - 31 January 2001 Issue No.518 Progressing towards the abyss Address to the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre, Brazil By Noam Chomsky After World War II, integration of the international economy ("globalisation") has been increasing. By the late 20th

Re: Re: Re: Rumsfeld falsifies Rational Choice

2001-01-30 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Hey, the last Repug Defsec was Dick Cheney. Besides the cheating coup, the other thing that pissed me off the most in the election was how Cheney got away in the VP debate with declaring that the millions he was making as CEO of that defense contractor he ran (forget which one right now) had

Crucial component of early Bush tax cut

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Pugliese
The Washington Times January 30, 2001 Crucial component of early Bush tax cut By Donald Devine If George W. Bush does not succeed economically, he will face a hostile Congress and will be another one-term president. With Alan Greenspan on board, there will be a tax cut. But Mr. Bush is leery to

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:21 PM 1/30/01 +, you wrote: What about Catholic Workers? (Who really do provide social services.) --jks Scientology seems to provide social services, such as drug treatment. But the recipients usually join the "church" and then max out their credit cards to donate to the followers of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Buck Fush

2001-01-30 Thread Anthony DCosta
I might add that a good proportion of Malaylis who work abroad are not highly educated, especially many Muslims from Kerala working in the Middle East. OTOH Malaylis are on the average better educated than most other Indian ethnic groups. One could hypothesize that the low growth in Kerala has

Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: [PEN-L:7538] Re: Re: Re: Re: Buck Fush] Barkley wrote: The big negative, as has been noted on this list before, is that Kerala has had quite slow per capita GDP growth leading to a lot of outmigration. also, doesn't per capita GDP growth in essence measure only growth of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Justin Schwartz
A professor at a Jesuit school compares Catholicism to Scientology . . . . ? --jks At 03:21 PM 1/30/01 +, you wrote: What about Catholic Workers? (Who really do provide social services.) --jks Scientology seems to provide social services, such as drug treatment. But the recipients

Re: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: Barkley wrote: The big negative, as has been noted on this list before, is that Kerala has had quite slow per capita GDP growth leading to a lot of outmigration. also, doesn't per capita GDP growth in essence measure only growth of market-oriented production and would

new economy

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Challenge Magazine has a new article in the January issue "Did the 1990s Inaugurate a New Economy?" by Harold G. Vatter and John F. Walker largely comparing the 1920s and the 1990s, a subject near and dear to the heart of Jim Devine. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State

RE: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread David Shemano
Jim Devine wrote: Barkley wrote: The big negative, as has been noted on this list before, is that Kerala has had quite slow per capita GDP growth leading to a lot of outmigration. also, doesn't per capita GDP growth in essence measure only growth of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Justin Schwartz
Isn't in in Count Zero that William Gibson imagines that the protagonist's--Bobby?--mother is a Scientologist, very religious? --jks Justin wrote: A professor at a Jesuit school compares Catholicism to Scientology . . . . ? --jks I was just explaining what's wrong with Scientology, in case

Kerala (was Buck Fush)

2001-01-30 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Darity, in a piece in the National Urban League's State of Black America 1999, points out that Kerala's Ezhava caste ("who were once not to be touched or even seen by upper caste Hindus") "have displayed remarkable upward mobility in recent years" as a result of quotas and preference systems.

Re: Re: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: also, doesn't per capita GDP growth in essence measure only growth of market-oriented production and would thus miss the growth of goods and services that aren't distributed through markets? Aren't measures of literacy, life expectancy, etc. better measures of what we on pen-l value

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
Justin wrote: A professor at a Jesuit school compares Catholicism to Scientology . . . . ? --jks I was just explaining what's wrong with Scientology, in case someone didn't know. But to actually makes such a comparison: I predict that when Scientology is as old as Catholicism, it will be as

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:36 PM 1/30/01 +, you wrote: Isn't in in Count Zero that William Gibson imagines that the protagonist's--Bobby?--mother is a Scientologist, very religious? --jks I haven't read that. But in the sci-fi book I've been thinking about writing, a Scientologist is running for President,

Re: Re: Re: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread ravi narayan
Jim Devine wrote: to quibble, shouldn't we separate "economic development" from "growth of per capita GDP"? I guess what you're saying is that if development is serving the collective but doesn't promote individual monetary prosperity (which is measured by GDP-type measures), that some

Re: RE: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
At 11:31 AM 1/30/01 -0800, you wrote: Is there any better way to judge what people actually value other than to observe migrations? unfortunately, migrations also reflect the relative ease of border crossing, the relative perceived attractiveness of the country moved to, along with such

Re: Re: Re: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: to quibble, shouldn't we separate "economic development" from "growth of per capita GDP"? I guess what you're saying is that if development is serving the collective but doesn't promote individual monetary prosperity (which is measured by GDP-type measures), that some

RE: Re: RE: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread David Shemano
Jim Devine wrote: At 11:31 AM 1/30/01 -0800, you wrote: Is there any better way to judge what people actually value other than to observe migrations? unfortunately, migrations also reflect the relative ease of border crossing, the relative perceived attractiveness

blowing off steam

2001-01-30 Thread michael
I just glanced at a journal of political economy article in condemning mandates. Mandates are bad, except you want to force schools to get standardized tests. Local control is good, except when inconveniences corporations. Then it has to be overruled. Individuals know what is best, but then

Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Actually I would agree with Jim Devine that economic and social development are closely linked and best measured by the kinds of indicators gathered by the UN with its physical quality of life indexes, etc. Economic growth is what is measured by per capita GDP, and certainly having a high

Re: Re: Re: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread Anthony DCosta
The outmigration of Malaylis is higher than most other ethnic communities. What I am saying that Keralites leave Kerala and work in other parts of India more than say migrate abroad. For example, school teachers, petty officers in government/corporations, nurses (also in the US/Middle East),

Re: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Sure, specific migrations are unique and complicated. But are you taking the position that you cannot examine migrations in a macro sense and obtain valuable information regarding what people desire and value? David Shemano * The Times of India Thursday, 6 April 2000 `Kerala economy too

Re: RE: Re: RE: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
I believe it was David who asked: Is there any better way to judge what people actually value other than to observe migrations? I answered: unfortunately, migrations also reflect the relative ease of border crossing, the relative perceived attractiveness of the country moved to, along with

Re: Re: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Actually, what is needed is a way to get growth going in Kerala so that people do not need to migrate (and also to accommodate those returning), but while still maintaining the desirable social aspects of the Keralan economy. Two aspects suggest themselves. One is that Kerala may be

Re: Re: Re: Re: Keralan growth

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't know if 34 percent is too high, but in many rural parts of the country there are huge numbers of Indian doctors; some Filipinos also. On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 01:52:23PM -0800, Anthony DCosta wrote: The outmigration of Malaylis is higher than most other ethnic communities. What I am

Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Perelman says: The repugs are in a distint minority. They have no reason to get their hands dirty with a solution. Although deregulation was bipartisan, the Dems took the lead. Then, this will be a good chance to see if lefties in California stand up to the Dems, offering a different

Re: Re: Re: Korean news

2001-01-30 Thread Brad DeLong
Indeed, I don't think that in the 60s there was thinking about "winning" the cold war in the dramatic sense that it was won in the 1990s. "Containment" was more the idea... My grandfather Earl DeLong was one of Helms's spearcarriers in the 1950s. He says--and Helms says--that containment

Re: Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Only people associated with Nader, and the San Francisco Board of Supervisors have spoken up. Sen. John Burton might turn out ok. He has been giving mixed signals. But then Gene knows far more than any of us about this. The SF Bay Guardian has a full time reporter working on the issue as

RE: Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Michael Perelman says: The repugs are in a distint minority. They have no reason to get their hands dirty with a solution. Although deregulation was bipartisan, the Dems took the lead. Then, this will be a good chance to see if lefties in California stand up to the Dems, offering a

Re: Re: Re: Korean news

2001-01-30 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
I see an equivalence here up until the 1980s. Khrushchev and his people were absolutely certain that they were the wave of the future, and the road to utopia. For the first half of the Brezhnev era I think that the same was true, at least as far as Soviet foreign policy was concerned. The Soviet

Re: RE: Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Eugene Coyle
I've been kind of amazed at the lack of aggressive legal action on the part of So Cal Ed, PGE, the governor, etc., against the FERC. By law, FERC must set rates that are "Just and reasonable." In its Order on Nov 1st, 2000, on the Calif situation, FERC said the rates were NOT just and

Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Jeffrey L. Beatty
At 08:16 PM 1/29/01 -0600, Maggie Coleman wrote: h, Along with Scientology, how would the bushies react to Wiccan members demanding a desk in the white house? inquiring minds want to know. maggie coleman I'm being tongue-in-cheek with this suggestion, but I have wondered what would

Re: RE: Re: CA Greenspan

2001-01-30 Thread Justin Schwartz
The National Lawyers Guild is the place to start looking. --jks Michael Perelman says: The repugs are in a distint minority. They have no reason to get their hands dirty with a solution. Although deregulation was bipartisan, the Dems took the lead. Then, this will be a good

Amazon woes

2001-01-30 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
[Closing the facility that's organizing; how convenient] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/Digital/Update/2001-01/amazon310101.shtml Amazon cuts hundreds of jobs after $90m loss By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles 31 January 2001 The leading online retailer Amazon.com announced yesterday it was

Re: Re: Re: Re: Korean news

2001-01-30 Thread Justin Schwartz
Brad, I was a sort of Sovietologist when there was such a thing, and my speciality in that area was Soviet and US foreign policy, the Cold War. Which doesn't make me right, but I have looked into this stuff, including reading endless reams of CIA and DoD assessments, God help me. Now you are

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Here in Chico, a local Waldorf education group wanted to start a charter school, but "Jeffrey L. Beatty" wrote: At 08:16 PM 1/29/01 -0600, Maggie Coleman wrote: h, Along with Scientology, how would the bushies react to Wiccan members demanding a desk in the white house?

On California Energy

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
A former student puts out extraordinary weekly paper. He does everything, reporting selling ads and doing layouts -- at the same time as he comes up with much more in-depth stories than local paper. This one concerns the Democrat who lead the charge for deregulation. The Attack of the Killer

Give to God what is Caesar's?

2001-01-30 Thread Andrew Hagen
Bush has announced that he wants to create a new deduction that would allow everybody to get a deduction for gifts to "faith based charities." I posted the following on Kuro5hin.org, which draws a lot of college age and younger folks. First, let me give a factual description of what's going on.

Soviet utopianism

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: [PEN-L:7564] Re: Re: Re: Korean news] Brad wrote: I see an equivalence here up until the 1980s. Khrushchev and his people were absolutely certain that they were the wave of the future, and the road to utopia. but this was quite different from the attitude of the early 1920s or the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:56 PM 01/30/2001 -0800, you wrote: Here in Chico, a local Waldorf education group wanted to start a charter school, but what's a Waldorf group? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: faith based services

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Education based on the ideas of Rudolf Steiner. On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 08:35:34PM -0800, Jim Devine wrote: At 07:56 PM 01/30/2001 -0800, you wrote: Here in Chico, a local Waldorf education group wanted to start a charter school, but what's a Waldorf group? Jim Devine [EMAIL

recent economic trends

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
On Michael Perelman's advice, I read the article by the late Harold Vatter and John Walker in the current CHALLENGE, comparing the US economy of the 1920s and the 1990s. (Hey, there's a review of Michael's book I'll have to read, while the article by me that was supposed to appear didn't.) It

Re: recent economic trends

2001-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
The one thing that Walker/Vatter neglected to point out is that the recent investment is not in very durable capital goods, so the depreciation is very high. Thus, net investment is not as high as gross investment figures suggest. The review of my book in Challenge was very flattering. What J.

Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-01-30 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:20 PM 01/30/2001 -0800, you wrote: The one thing that Walker/Vatter neglected to point out is that the recent investment is not in very durable capital goods, so the depreciation is very high. Thus, net investment is not as high as gross investment figures suggest. that's true. The